[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')hink about it. If Peak Oil is dead, [we'd] all have to go out and ...

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'G')as is down to $3.15 gal, gonna use my 10 cents gal off card today, $3.05 gal sounds good, eh.

Palin gas prices.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '
')Mineral resources and the limits to growth

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', ' ')Of course, we are talking about scientists, resource experts from academia and government, and international folks with interests in these potential resources, undoubtedly they know far less than denizens at some random web forum or another.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '
')I'm going to "step back" (my moniker) and ask the "forest instead of the trees" question about why all those "experts" as John_A refers to them are meeting in the first place and scrambling to find some new resource (unobtanium?) to replace conventional, cheap crude oil?

Why?

Because they understand that we ARE already past peak when it comes to conventional, cheap-to-extract crude oil.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '
')Sure you've got a title and you are "entitled" to your opinion.
But forgive us for you know not what you babble on about.
Prolixity of jargon does not equal knowledge and wisdom.

[ROCKMAN]

Rune - "Why would anyone here call YOU a plant?". A bit tongue and cheek but I get that slap occasionally. Got it just the other day for butting in on the frac'ng protest in eastern Canada. It really confuses the crap out of them when I mention how happy it would make me to see all frac'ng banned and no more oil sands production. Some folks are so blinded by their irrational emotion-based 'logic' the can't understand even the most basic realities. The big downside to believing one is the keeper of the absolute morality code IMHO.

[ralfy]

Related:

"Three Nails in the Coffin of Peak Oil"

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/10093

with a helpful comment here:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/10093#comment-973838

A chart presented by Bardi:

"Peak oil? What peak oil?"

http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/201 ... k-oil.html

which shows production per capita, which is more logical, and using data from Exxon-Mobil, IEA, EIA, etc.

From last April:

"Total Production by the Top Five Oil Majors Has Fallen by a Quarter Since 2004"

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9946

using data from company reports.

Finally, from 2010:

"IEA acknowledges peak oil"

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2010- ... s-peak-oil

With these, one can argue that the experts (energy agencies, oil companies) have shown, through data, that peak oil cannot be rejected. Even the point that unconventional oil is being used doesn't contradict that argument.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '
')(1) First off, I'm sorry Mr. Non-chemist, non-engineer Professor Horowitz, but glass/fiber optics IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE for copper because you cannot recharge your hybrid or all-electric (PHEV/EV) vehicle using them there modern fiber optics. We still NEED copper and in recent years the price has gone back up.

[dolanbaker]

It's also easier to manage the losses on the main distribution grid rather than at the customer's premises.

Here in Ireland, most of the MV <25kv grid is copper.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '
')With these, one can argue that the experts (energy agencies, oil companies) have shown, through data, that peak oil cannot be rejected. Even the point that unconventional oil is being used doesn't contradict that argument.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '.')... Yergin..... "Harold Camping" effect

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', 'H')ow in the world someone can think that historical solar energy is somehow a SOURCE is even worse an understanding of how energy, power and work function than how poorly the amateurs screw up the history, facts and future of the peak oil concept itself.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', 'H')ow in the world someone can think that historical solar energy is somehow a SOURCE is even worse an understanding of how energy, power and work function than how poorly the amateurs screw up the history, facts and future of the peak oil concept itself.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')
Nobody ever rejected it. Not Yergin who acknowledges that it will happen, certainly not the EIA who has already put a date on it, nor IEA who said it already happened. You are jousting at windmills which don't even exist. The beef with calling peak oil is that people are always claiming it happened tomorrow, or today, or next year, to the detriment of their credibility on the topic.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ')Your ... other first point is based on a fundamental misunderstanding [by you] of the electric grid in the USA, Canada ... is high purity Aluminum, from the high tension lines right down to the underground feed in system that goes from the substation to your subdivision house. ... Aluminum is cheaper and lighter even though it is not as simple to use.

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')I recommend knowledge. Start here.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '
')However, the last feet of conductor in homes and offices cannot be aluminum (or optical fiber) because aluminum is too dangerous to use inside structures used by lay persons because most don't know about aluminum oxidation, which often leads to fires (i.e. due to amateur splicing of wires, etc.).

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')I recommend knowledge. Start here.