[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '
')TOD closed shop for other reasons, and the "Three Nails" article actually confirms peak oil, as stated in the comment shared earlier and the author's reply to that.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', 'I')t ain't peak when oil production is increasing, the resource pyramid matters, ...

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', 'I')n terms of oil, the easy stuff was already disappearing by 1901. You have been born, and raised, in a world where the high quality stuff had already disappeared.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', 'I')n terms of oil, the easy stuff was already disappearing by 1901.

[ralfy]

Already disappearing <> had already disappeared.

Back to the ignore list.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', 'I')n terms of oil, the easy stuff was already disappearing by 1901.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')alf-truth bullshit. Typical

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '
')@John_A

But here's the thing (or two):
1) Methane hydrates are not crude oil
2) Unleashing of the methane hydrates probably means the end of the habitable Earth as we knew it (EOTHEAWKI)

[Plantagenet]

Serious scientific gatherings don’t usually feature calls for mass political resistance, much less direct action and sabotage. But then again, Werner wasn’t exactly calling for those things. He was merely observing that mass uprisings of people – along the lines of the abolition movement, the civil rights movement or Occupy Wall Street – represent the likeliest source of “friction” to slow down an economic machine that is careening out of control.
from the link above

Occupy Wall Street didn't want to slow down the economic machine. They just wanted more of the goodies to go to them instead of to the 1%.

The whole idea that socialism is inherently more environmentally friendly than capitalism doesn't stand up to examination. Perhaps the greatest collection of environmentally devastated places you can find on earth today are military bases and manufacturing sites run by the socialists in the USSR. The only notable drop in CO2 production in the last 50 years occurred not because of the Kyoto Treaty, but because the filthy polluting factories of the USSR closed down when socialism collapsed there.

Environmentalism, National Parks, appreciation of Wilderness are all basically American social ideals, that grew out of an America that was so wealthy due to capitalism that it could afford to set aside vast expanses of forest and other lands and permanently close them to development.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', 'I')nterestingly, this appeared over at the HuffPo site:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut it was Werner’s own session that was attracting much of the buzz. It was titled “Is Earth F**ked?” (full title: “Is Earth F**ked? Dynamical Futility of Global Environmental Management and Possibilities for Sustainability via Direct Action Activism”). ... the bottom line was clear enough: global capitalism has made the depletion of resources so rapid, convenient and barrier-free that “earth-human systems” are becoming dangerously unstable in response. When pressed by a journalist for a clear answer on the “are we f**ked” question, Werner set the jargon aside and replied, “More or less."

[ralfy]

It's probably because socialism can take the form of state capitalism, or even one with export processing zones. Environmental regulations can be loosened to keep costs low. Perhaps China might serve as a good example.

One might argue that China should follow industrialized countries which have less pollution, but it is likely that the pollution was outsourced together with labor to poorer countries.

Given that, one can conclude that there are no other "rules" for capitalism. The system is essentially one that involves increasing money supply through profit and interest, with increased used of resources to back up that credit, and both increased further given competition. The inevitable results are crises due to debt, peak oil, and environmental damage coupled with global warming.

[ROCKMAN]

"Methane hydrates: a new gas boom?" Just a thought: before inferring a boom in any new play perhaps it would be reasonable to wait until at least the first commercial development takes place. A theoretical "boom" doesn't really help the energy situation very much.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '&')quot;Methane hydrates: a new gas boom?" Just a thought: before inferring a boom in any new play perhaps it would be reasonable to wait until at least the first commercial development takes place. A theoretical "boom" doesn't really help the energy situation very much.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '&')quot;Methane hydrates: a new gas boom?"

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')The Earth has been f**ked for quite some time, stretching back to Malthus at the least. But we never appear to be f**ked in the quite the way planned.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')Oh...and nobody wants hydrates for their methane..methane isn't worth squat.

[ROCKMAN]

"But that Japanese hydrate production Rock? The equivalent of about 70 bbl/day synthetic crude." From: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/a ... cs/275275/ :

"If Mann's data on methane hydrates is correct, then Japan's experiment so far has taken 10 years and $700 million to produce four million cubic feet of gas, which is worth about $16,000 at today's U.S. gas prices, or about $50,000 at today's prices for imported LNG in Japan. At this point, it is an enormously expensive experimental pilot project, and nothing more. We do not yet know when it might be able to recover commercial volumes of gas, or at what rate, or at what price. We have no reason to believe that if commercial quantities are recoverable by 2018 as Japan hopes--which seems incredibly optimistic--that the price of that gas will be competitive with imported LNG."

So yeah..." boom" is more than a little absurd. I can only assume they are chumming for folks who only read the headlines and don't bother to read the rest of the story let alone check out other ounces.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')Oh...and nobody wants hydrates for their methane..methane isn't worth squat.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '.').. the problem is turning Earth into Venus

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '
')
So yeah..." boom" is more than a little absurd.