[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', 'T')he only reason you wanted evidence was because you identified it as a bit of a long task for me to stumble over.

[meemoe_uk]

>Nice work unravelling that little mystery meemoe.
So you admit you weren't contributing to the topic, you were just obfuscating. Why not pm the moderators and ask to be banned for violation of coc?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou're the one who brought up light oil. If you don't want to discuss a topic don't bring it up. In effect, you derailed your own thread and then bitched about it. Kudos

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', 'S')o you admit you weren't contributing to the topic, you were just obfuscating. Why not pm the moderators and ask to be banned for violation of coc?

[meemoe_uk]

bleh... same every year. That's enough rolling in the mud with the piggies for me for now.

[SamInNebraska]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', 'b')leh... same every year. That's enough rolling in the mud with the piggies for me for now.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', 'b')leh... same every year. That's enough rolling in the mud with the piggies for me for now.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SamInNebraska', '.')..?

[ian807]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', 'T')he " we're squeezing a few drops of tar out of a stone quarry " story is another myth cooked up by PO doomers when they were confronted with the fact that peak oil wasn't happening. .... No its all good plentiful, cheap high quality oil for the next few years.

World’s average crude oil is becoming lighter and sweeter

[ennui2]

"Would it kill some of you guys (on both sides) to have a bit of humility and admit that you're guessing?"

I think so. Selection bias favors zealotry on sites like this.

[sparky]

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Meemo , old chum , thanks for putting FACTS on the table

conclusion......the peak is still a work in progress
the production number include some not so crude numbers but it's all the same really
if corn juice and reformed goo is produced ( at a price ) it still IS production
and should be considered as such
I'm sitting and waiting , no worries here , I have no ego problem with being wrong now
Time is on my side

[meemoe_uk]

OK, so, you think energy return from crude oil is going to get better over time? How do you see that happening, exactly?
Improving technology. The pattern has been the same from the start. Like when drilled and piped oil replaced bucket and spade oil. The efficiency of the oil industry didnt go down once the lack of surface seep oil forced the oil industry to improve their tools. It went up. Bucket and spade oil required a lot of work to extract and transport. With pipes, the transportation and extraction was a lot easier. Same today. Modern shale oil and horizontal wells are a lot more efficient than decades earlier tech, so much so that the efficiency gains of these technologies outweigh the loss of efficiency inherent of resource depletion.
Some day resource depletion will outweigh improving tech. But we aren't there yet. And this has to happen before peak oil. And it won't matter when we get there either. There's plenty of other energy reserves available today to fully replace oil.

>So what's your timeframe?
I think we're ok for oil for the 21st century. If you live into the 22nd you might see the effects of a geologically forced peak in oil production, but I think other technology is capable of fully replacing oil as an energy source today.

>Coal? Well we're past the energetic peak, just as we are for oil,
Coal and oil production and consumption are going up every year and will do for decades to come.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', ' ')Modern shale oil and horizontal wells are a lot more efficient than decades earlier tech,

[Buddy_J]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', ' ')Modern shale oil and horizontal wells are a lot more efficient than decades earlier tech, so much so that the efficiency gains of these technologies outweigh the loss of efficiency inherent of resource depletion.

[meemoe_uk]

>How is a horizontal well today more efficient than the ones they drilled 50 years ago?
Ask RockDoc or RGR. Tech hasn't stood still for the last 50 years.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]>How is a horizontal well today more efficient than the ones they drilled 50 years ago?$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', '
')Dont ask me, I am clueless about technical details. I am just here to troll for the lols.

[Buddy_J]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', '[')i]>How is a horizontal well today more efficient than the ones they drilled 50 years ago?
Ask RockDoc or RGR. Tech hasn't stood still for the last 50 years.

[meemoe_uk]

>But you made the statement. Which means you either know the answer already, or made it without having a clue.
Is it possible for a kid to know the sky is blue, but to not know why its blue?

And who might RockDoc or RGR be? Posters here, industry expert types?
Yeah, they're industry veterans. They know. But if you ask them this kind of question, you might get a load of tech talk that u won't understand.

[ian807]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', '[')i]OK, so, you think energy return from crude oil is going to get better over time? How do you see that happening, exactly?
Improving technology. The pattern has been the same from the start. Like when drilled and piped oil replaced bucket and spade oil. The efficiency of the oil industry didnt go down once the lack of surface seep oil forced the oil industry to improve their tools. It went up. Bucket and spade oil required a lot of work to extract and transport. With pipes, the transportation and extraction was a lot easier. Same today. Modern shale oil and horizontal wells are a lot more efficient than decades earlier tech, so much so that the efficiency gains of these technologies outweigh the loss of efficiency inherent of resource depletion.
Some day resource depletion will outweigh improving tech. But we aren't there yet. And this has to happen before peak oil. And it won't matter when we get there either. There's plenty of other energy reserves available today to fully replace oil.