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THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby dsula » Thu 06 Sep 2012, 08:20:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', '
')But who will fill the stomach of humans and animals?

Sure it will. So much waste in europe it's not even funny anymore. Talk to anybody who went thru WW2 to learn what tough times are.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby M_B_S » Tue 11 Sep 2012, 02:20:51

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/ ... AT20120911


2012/13 wheat harvest seen at 22.5 mln tonnes


* Forecast down 7 pct from June estimate on dry weather

* Wheat crop could fall another 10 pct without rains soon - analyst

* Cotton to fall on lower plantings, canola hit by dry weather (Adds detail, quotes)

By Colin Packham

SYDNEY, Sept 11 (Reuters) - Australia cut its forecast for wheat production in the current crop year by about 7 percent from its previous forecast to 22.5 million tonnes due to dry weather, warning that there was a risk of yields falling further if rains did not arrive soon.

The downgrade was expected but lower output in Australia, the world's No.2 wheat exporter after the United States, could further boost global prices that have surged almost 40 percent since early June as the worst drought in half a century gripped large swaths of U.S. farmland.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby M_B_S » Tue 16 Oct 2012, 10:00:36

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/articl ... d-hay.html
A SPRING heatwave was virtually the last straw for grain and oilseed crops across the parched northwest of Victoria.
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Today, the 16th October, is World Food Day. Many in the UK may not have heard about it, because its focus is often on hunger and malnutrition in developing countries and because many people don’t think that in the UK, the 7th richest country in the world, people go hungry. But they do.

Climate Change = World out of food day coming soon!

What will you eat after the heat?

Burn oil, wood, coal or gas but be careful mother nature writes the bill.

HUMANS! You cannot pump 100s of gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere and dont pay any price!

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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby Lore » Tue 16 Oct 2012, 10:07:44

Amazing, I thought GW was just in N.A this year?
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby ritter » Tue 16 Oct 2012, 13:42:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')mazing, I thought GW was just in N.A this year?


Ha! That made me snort!

I guess that's why it's called GLOBAL warming or GLOBAL climate change. No one will be able to hide for long. Didn't Australia get hammered the last two years as well?
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Is the era of cheap food at an end?

Postby dolanbaker » Thu 18 Oct 2012, 05:01:35

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19986655

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The US is facing the challenge of producing food for more and more people while facing problems such as drought, dwindling harvests, and human wastefulness.

Newsnight's Science Editor Susan Watts reports.


Nothing new to people here, but the message is getting out via msm that food security is not as good as it used to be.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby M_B_S » Fri 02 Nov 2012, 11:37:25

Hunger in Europe is back!

http://www.allaboutfeed.net/Processing/ ... -1097541W/

Followed by Ukraine, which has recently imposed an embargo on the export of wheat, Moldova also decided to completely abandon export of grain. “Because of the shortage of grain in 2012 the Association of grain exporters Agrocer Moldova will not supply it to the international market” reported the chairman of the Association Alain Mandate....
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby careinke » Fri 02 Nov 2012, 12:28:37

Yesterday I purchased an 80 lb bag of layer pellets, (for my chickens), and it cost me $24.95. This spring, it cost me $16.85 for the same bag. I use a rotating paddock system for my birds. which cuts their commercial feed consumption around 30%, plus they get to pick through the compost pile. I have always made a "profit" on my egg production. With these higher feed prices, that will no longer be the case.

At these prices I should cull my birds, but the eggs are just so much better than store bought, I will probably suck up the loss for a while.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby M_B_S » Sat 03 Nov 2012, 04:10:01

Humans derive about 20% of their protein from animal-based products now, but this may need to drop to just 5% to feed the extra 2 billion people expected to be alive by 2050, according to research by some of the world's leading water scientists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-develo ... etarianism

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Yes, you (all farmers/pet owners) could be forced to cull all chickens/animals to feed humans directly with corn.

In the not to distant future all pets are gone because we eat them all or their food.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby dissident » Sat 03 Nov 2012, 12:07:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', 'H')unger in Europe is back!

http://www.allaboutfeed.net/Processing/ ... -1097541W/

Followed by Ukraine, which has recently imposed an embargo on the export of wheat, Moldova also decided to completely abandon export of grain. “Because of the shortage of grain in 2012 the Association of grain exporters Agrocer Moldova will not supply it to the international market” reported the chairman of the Association Alain Mandate....


The morons in the Ukraine should impose a ban on the export of topsoil. These numbskulls must think that topsoil grows on trees or something and don't know that it takes thousands of years to form. So in addition to AGW, the Ukraine has serious problems it imposes on itself.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby dolanbaker » Mon 05 Nov 2012, 06:25:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', 'H')unger in Europe is back!

http://www.allaboutfeed.net/Processing/ ... -1097541W/

Followed by Ukraine, which has recently imposed an embargo on the export of wheat, Moldova also decided to completely abandon export of grain. “Because of the shortage of grain in 2012 the Association of grain exporters Agrocer Moldova will not supply it to the international market” reported the chairman of the Association Alain Mandate....


The morons in the Ukraine should impose a ban on the export of topsoil. These numbskulls must think that topsoil grows on trees or something and don't know that it takes thousands of years to form. So in addition to AGW, the Ukraine has serious problems it imposes on itself.


I suspect that most of Ukraine's agricultural problems can be traced directly back to the Soviet Union.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby careinke » Mon 05 Nov 2012, 21:46:51

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Yes, you (all farmers/pet owners) could be forced to cull all chickens/animals to feed humans directly with corn.

In the not to distant future all pets are gone because we eat them all or their food.


I doubt I will be "forced" to do anything. My loyalties lie in feeding my family, not feeding some nameless person in some far away land.

I would probably never get rid of all my chickens, they are way to useful. I just don't need 13 of them. My chickens, being omnivores, eat my scraps, turn my compost pile, provide nutrients to my soil, give me eggs, clear fallen fruit from under my trees, and occasionally after they quit laying become crab bait.

My cat keeps the rodents under control and usually leaves me one in the driveway, which I feed to the chickens. She is well worth the small amount of food she eats. Dogs, on the other hand, have a good chance of becoming Kagogee in a collapse.

Monoculture crops like wheat and corn eventually destroy the land they grow on, so it is not a viable solution. Besides, the current food system is killing us all slowly. Want proof, go sit in a mall for an hour. People didn't used to look like that.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby Pretorian » Tue 06 Nov 2012, 14:29:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', 'H')umans derive about 20% of their protein from animal-based products now, but this may need to drop to just 5% to feed the extra 2 billion people expected to be alive by 2050, according to research by some of the world's leading water scientists.


OR, hire a few Indians on fiver dot com to draw Mahomed, make sure each peasant in Pakistan gets his copy, and watch the problem solving itself on-line.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', 'Y')es, you (all farmers/pet owners) could be forced to cull all chickens/animals to feed humans directly with corn.



Perhaps a special gasoline-like pistol should be designed, that would deliver corn directly to stomachs, that's save a fortune of energy which could be used to produce more humans.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 09 Nov 2012, 12:17:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', '
')In the not to distant future all pets are gone because we eat them all or their food.
Terriers will always earn their keep as rat killers.

I bought a big pumpkin at the supermarket for $1 yesterday, going to bake it.

The neighbors are trhowing out the jack o lanterns.If I were If I were renovating a bad patch of soil, I'd be scavenging all the pumpkins and burying them.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby dbruning » Fri 09 Nov 2012, 19:24:55

Typical hoodlums smashed the hell out of our pumpkin this year...just made it fit into the compost easier. :P
I didn't tell the carver of the pumpkin what happened to it...she worked hard to make something really pretty.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 09 Nov 2012, 20:17:56

I used to enjoy kayaking this time of year and the river would be full of pumpkins that had flushed down the storm drains all the way to the river.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby M_B_S » Mon 03 Dec 2012, 04:01:22

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2012/1 ... z2DyMVsTbe

Russia braces for grain shortage

A severe drought in eastern Europe and central Asia accounted for most of the decline in world grain production, down 5.5 per cent this year to 661m tonnes, according to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization.

[url]In Russia, wheat production fell by an estimated 30.6 per cent to 39m tonnes in 2012 from 56.2m tonnes in 2011, the FAO said in its latest Food Outlook report. That’s even less than in 2010 when the Russian government imposed a blanket ban on grain exports after a record-breaking drought and heatwave devastated the country’s crops.[/url]
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The polititians are talking in DOHA while the food we all need is burning in the summer heat.

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Australia is no help:


Issued on 7 November 2012 by the National Climate Centre

October rainfall lowest on record for southern Australia - deficiencies in WA and SA continue, expanding in NSW.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby M_B_S » Fri 19 Apr 2013, 10:27:56

CAIRO, April 17 (UPI) -- The Egyptian government is gambling that this year's domestic wheat crop will produce 9.5 million tons, a prediction widely seen as dangerously over-optimistic as the world's most populous Arab state is wracked by growing political crisis.

Egypt, the world's biggest wheat importer, is facing critical food shortages that are certain to worsen the political turmoil if not checked.....


"Disruption of the harvest because of a diesel shortage would have extremely damaging political consequences for the Islamist government," the Financial Times warned.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy ... z2Qv3NOFKr

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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby Loki » Sat 22 Feb 2014, 20:28:00

The VALUE of U.S. Corn, Wheat, and Soybean Agricultural Exports Has Gone Up, not the AMOUNT

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..besides the ethanol phenomenon, what is the most striking thing that happened to crop agriculture in previous 5 years? Yep, crop prices rose to levels that few thought were even remotely possible.

Next question: Were those mammoth crop price increases largely responsible for growth the value agricultural exports? In the case of grains (primarily corn and wheat) and soybeans, the answer is definitely yes.


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Figure 1: Corn, soybeans, and wheat – Volume of exports in thousand metric tons, value of exports in billion dollars, and price per metric ton in dollars.

This doesn't look like it's adjusted for inflation, but their point still holds, volume has been largely stagnant for years, but value has gone up up up.
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Re: THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby Loki » Sat 22 Feb 2014, 20:56:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', 'C')AIRO, April 17 (UPI) -- The Egyptian government is gambling that this year's domestic wheat crop will produce 9.5 million tons, a prediction widely seen as dangerously over-optimistic as the world's most populous Arab state is wracked by growing political crisis.


The 9.5 million tons estimate for 2013 seems to have been off a bit. From a Feb 7, 2014, FAO analysis of Egyptian food security:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')inal 2013 wheat production figures are not available yet although owing to favourable weather conditions, preliminary forecasts pointed to an harvest similar to the one of 2012 [8.8 million metric tons] and above average. Official reports from Egypt’s Ministry of Agriculture and Land Reclamation indicated the highest ever winter wheat area, at 1.43 million hectares, was planted in 2013, an increase of about 100 000 hectares on 2012.

Egypt remains the world’s largest wheat importer....

The annual food and beverage inflation rate in December 2013 was 17.52 percent compared to 19.15 percent in November 2013. The decrease in food inflation was mainly attributed to lower inflation rates in December for fruit, vegetables and poultry.

http://www.fao.org/giews/countrybrief/c ... p?code=EGY
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