[Cog]

Typical that pstarr prefers vigilante action by the Black Panthers and other assorted race-baiters. No respect for the rule of law. But understandable given his progressive leanings.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'T')he kid was out walking in the rain minding his own business. He was a invited guest to this community, no reason to be followed, chased and then killed.

[Oneaboveall]

A photo from ABC News showing the back of Zimmerman's head right after the shooting:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_geor ... _wmain.jpg

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'T')he kid was out walking in the rain minding his own business. He was a invited guest to this community, no reason to be followed, chased and then killed.

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', 'A') photo from ABC News showing the back of Zimmerman's head right after the shooting:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_geor ... _wmain.jpg

[wisconsin_cur]

No. He is saying being followed does not give you the right to jump someone.and procede to attack them. And if you do they might then fear for their life and.then shoot you.

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') am saying that there is no right for Martin to exclude Zimmerman from his presence in the public space they were in.

[AgentR11]

Honestly, I don't believe either story, because its been filtered through the press. I do know the following.

Martin and Zimmerman had the same degree of right to be where they were, and neither had the right to exclude the other from the location.

Zimmerman has a head injury of unknown severity. (scalp wounds bleed like crazy, it could be big or small).

Martin is dead of a gun shot wound from Zimmerman's weapon.

From those three facts, I'd have a heck of a hard time getting past "reasonable doubt" concerning Zimmerman's guilt in a self defense situation. Now, maybe Martin was covered in fist bruises to the face and abdomen after having been pulverized by the wandering civilian, then Zimmerman tripped and skinned his scalp, then got bored and shot Martin, I dunno. That's why we have Juries. They will hear the case UNFILTERED by the media; and they will judge the facts presented in a far more reliable way than I or you could.

[wisconsin_cur]

So that great right-wing reactionary Alan Dershowitz /sarcasm seems to think the case is nothing.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/20/Dershowitz-prosecution-immoral

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith ABC News’ release of the George Zimmerman photo showing blood flowing freely from his head, the question becomes whether Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the case, had access to the photo before charging Zimmerman with second-degree murder.

The arrest affidavit did not mention the photograph, or the bleeding, gashes, and bruises on Zimmermans’ head. Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School stated upon release of the arrest affidavit that it was “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

[Cog]

Yes

Both men had the perfect right to be where they were at. They even had the right to exchange words, even heated ones. But when Martin jumped Zimmerman and proceeded to bash his skull in, he lost whatever rights he had and became the aggressor in a self-defense matter.It makes absolutely no difference that Zimmerman followed the kid around or even had heated words with him. None of that is against the law. The moment Martin jumped him, the dynamic and also the rights of the two men changed. Martin lost the right to any self-defense claim and Zimmerman obtained the right to use lethal force to protect himself.

That is simply the law gentlemen and all of this drama being played out by the NAACP and media is meaningless in a court of law.

[Ferretlover]

Talk about slow news days... The US media not only does all that it can to avoid reporting real news, it blows up the tiniest incidents all out of proportion. This story would rate such coverage ONLY if the same amount of coverage was given to each and every one of the murders in the US.
IOW, what a waste of valuable news time and energy...

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'H')ow can it be OK for Martin to be somewhere, and it not OK for Zimmerman to also be there? We're talking public spaces here, not Martin's own private property or lease. Martin has no right to exclude Zimmerman from the location in question. If Martin attacks Zimmerman because he doesn't want him around for whatever reason, then Zimmerman has the right to shoot in self defense at that point.

[SeaGypsy]

Zimmerman would have had no kind of gun permit in most countries, with a record like his. Most modern countries any form of conviction for violent crime precludes owning a weapon. If the weapon were illegal, there would be no gray area, self defense with grossly disproportionate force resulting in death is category 2 murder or manslaughter. The introduction of doubt to proportionality of guilt primarily rests with whatever statute had such a person self righteously sitting armed in a vehicle then stalking people vigilante style, supposedly all legally. The right to bear arms is one thing, the responsibility for proper handling of such arms is another. The state can't dish out gun licenses to known felons with behavior issues then expect them to act in a responsible manner.

[Cog]

What felony did Zimmerman commit? He was arrested previously but the charges were dropped. He has no felony record and was not on probation. Do you understand the difference between an arrest and a conviction? I can explain it to you if you need some help.

I wish you guys would get your story straight before you start telling out-right lies about this case. We've already had enough of that in the press.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'Z')immerman would have had no kind of gun permit in most countries, with a record like his. Most modern countries any form of conviction for violent crime precludes owning a weapon. If the weapon were illegal, there would be no gray area, self defense with grossly disproportionate force resulting in death is category 2 murder or manslaughter. The introduction of doubt to proportionality of guilt primarily rests with whatever statute had such a person self righteously sitting armed in a vehicle then stalking people vigilante style, supposedly all legally. The right to bear arms is one thing, the responsibility for proper handling of such arms is another. The state can't dish out gun licenses to known felons with behavior issues then expect them to act in a responsible manner.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')alking on a public street isn't inherently suspicious, while being FOLLOWED or pursued by a vehicle is. Agent, if you're out walking and someone is clearly following you is that not suspicious and threatening? Of course it is.

[Cog]

Sixstrings is being obtuse about something the law makes clear distinctions about. In a mutual fight where both parties beat on each other as in a bar fight, the officers are going to arrest both parties for disturbing the peace/assualt or both. If someone dies as the result of this mutual combat, the other party is going to get charged with manslaughter

When someone jumps on you and starts beating on you, there is no mutual combat and the aggressor is the one charged with a crime. Martin, by all available evidence attacked Zimmerman and proceeded to beat him and slam his head against the sidewalk. At that point, Martin can not claim self-defense and Zimmerman's right to self-defense is enhanced to include lethal force to stop such an attack. That is black letter law. The race-baiters can't seem to get their head around the fact that self-defense laws are written specifically to terminate the right of an aggressor to an affirmative defense of self-defense.

[Cloud9]

I know that the misanthropes, racists and hoplophobes desperately want Zimmerman to have murdered Martin. The misanthropes just want to ruin another life. The racist want Zimmerman to be a white who murdered a black so they can further their own agendas. The hoplophobes in their irrational fear of guns and gun owners hope this death will further their efforts to shred the second amendment and disarm Americans.

None of these agendas have anything to do with the trial of Zimmerman. Zimmerman is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The indictment does not provide any evidence that destroys reasonable doubt. The wounds on the back of his head are sufficient to support his narrative of the events on that tragic night. The state will spend a million dollars conducting a show trial to appease the above mentioned factions and then will release Zimmerman. The defense attorney will have a rain maker case and be able to charge higher fees. The prosecutor having done the Governor a favor will be appointed to the district court of appeals.

Meanwhile the citizens will foot the bill. Misanthropes are never going to love mankind. Black racists are always going to believe the white man did it. Hoplophobes are never going to get the state of Florida to disarm the million concealed permit carriers. So, this amounts to very expensive theatre distracting the body politic from the exploding deficit and declining natural resources.