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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Postby Expatriot » Tue 13 Sep 2011, 07:46:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('massymoxieman', ' ')They are not paid out of taxpayer funds, either, as, contrary to what some may believe, the Postal Service is an independent agency that has not received a dime of taxpayer funds since the early 1980's.


They're mostly lazy and they mostly suck. My guy is so lazy he doesn't close the lid on the box. If there's a package, he won't come up the driveway. He leaves a shitty little note in my mailbox and I have to drive to the PO to get it. We get our neighbor's mail regularly.

They should consider closing the post office. It's 90% junk mail anyway, and the culture of sandbagging and stupidity is overwhelming.

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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Heineken » Thu 17 Nov 2011, 12:44:14

The decline and coming demise of the Postal Service is another example of what I'm saying in my signature about all things getting relentlessly worse. The USPS used to be a remarkably well-run system. Now it's becoming crapola, and in time it will be gone. I will miss it and its absence will hurt. For example, I don't like the idea of being dependent on computers to pay all my bills. Private services will replace the USPS but they will charge much more and be less convenient.

Morale is very low among postal workers, since they know they're an endangered species. This results in even worse service.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Lore » Thu 17 Nov 2011, 12:56:05

Hi there Heineken ole buddy!

I have to agree... the failure of the postal system is just one more arrow in the back of the average citizen and a real scalping to those who live in rural America. Internet connections are barely existent out here in the hinterland along with decent cell phone service, (watch for land lines next to be cut). You have a whole group of people who will essentially be cut off from essential and reliable communication and any chance at all of keeping up with more metropolitan areas.
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Postby dinopello » Thu 17 Nov 2011, 13:21:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', ' ')If there's a package, he won't come up the driveway. He leaves a shitty little note in my mailbox and I have to drive to the PO to get it.


I wonder how they decide where the "mailbox" goes. Where I grew up, everyone had mailboxes on poles at the end of the driveway that the mailman accessed from a vehicle. Where I have been living for the last 20 years, everyone either has mail slots in their front door or a basket attached to the house next to the door and the mailman parks somewhere and delivers the block on foot. I think they may have a different guy that comes around with packages since it would be tough for the guy walking around to carry much - but the boxes always get left on our porch.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Heineken » Fri 18 Nov 2011, 16:11:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'H')i there Heineken ole buddy!

I have to agree... the failure of the postal system is just one more arrow in the back of the average citizen and a real scalping to those who live in rural America. Internet connections are barely existent out here in the hinterland along with decent cell phone service, (watch for land lines next to be cut). You have a whole group of people who will essentially be cut off from essential and reliable communication and any chance at all of keeping up with more metropolitan areas.


Hi Lore!

Yes, we still don't have access to "cable" out here and probably never will. I rely on a slightly clunky satellite service for my Internet. I don't bother with satellite for TV, though, since TV is hardly worth it. Get my TV free from the air just as I always have. The switch to DTV was and remains a pain, though---we have periodic crises of weird reception (another example of things getting worse, at least for the 99%). You're right, land lines are definitely on the way out. We got a letter from Verizon not long ago saying that they will no longer maintain the wires. My elderly mother has a land line but I was forced to get a cell phone.

I have zero interest in most electronic gadgets, including all those Apple toys and damned Kindles. I don't think they make our lives better. I like the old.

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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Heineken » Fri 18 Nov 2011, 16:12:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'H')i there Heineken ole buddy!

I have to agree... the failure of the postal system is just one more arrow in the back of the average citizen and a real scalping to those who live in rural America. Internet connections are barely existent out here in the hinterland along with decent cell phone service, (watch for land lines next to be cut). You have a whole group of people who will essentially be cut off from essential and reliable communication and any chance at all of keeping up with more metropolitan areas.


Hi Lore!

Yes, we still don't have access to "cable" out here and probably never will. I rely on a slightly clunky satellite service for my Internet. I don't bother with satellite for TV, though, since TV is hardly worth it. Get my TV free from the air just as I always have. The switch to DTV was and remains a pain, though---we have periodic crises of weird reception (another example of things getting worse, at least for the 99%). You're right, land lines are definitely on the way out. We got a letter from Verizon not long ago saying that they will no longer maintain the wires. My elderly mother has a land line but I was forced to get a cell phone.

I have zero interest in most electronic gadgets, including all those Apple toys and damned Kindles. I don't think they make our lives better. I like the old.

The loss of the USPS will make rural areas even more isolated and underserved than they already are. Hmm . . . maybe that's not such a bad thing!

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Re: US Postal Service hurting - bye, bye six day a week deli

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 19 Nov 2011, 03:22:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'I') The junk mail was ridiculous and non-stop. They ought to jack the hell out of prices on that crap to make up the difference.

+85 trillion

It amazes me how vehemently the USPS opposes ending the junk mail subsidies and acts like the world will end without them.

Imagine how many trees and how much fuel is WASTED as (likely) 90% or so of junk mail is just thrown away or recycled. What a waste.
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Re: US Postal Service hurting - bye, bye six day a week deli

Postby eastbay » Sat 19 Nov 2011, 04:00:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'I') The junk mail was ridiculous and non-stop. They ought to jack the hell out of prices on that crap to make up the difference.

+85 trillion

It amazes me how vehemently the USPS opposes ending the junk mail subsidies and acts like the world will end without them.

Imagine how many trees and how much fuel is WASTED as (likely) 90% or so of junk mail is just thrown away or recycled. What a waste.



My thoughts exactly! I'd be satisfied if the mail was delivered once a week ... or even twice a month. And without the advertising garbage, of which 100% is tossed in the recycle bin here.

Daily mail delivery is such an outdated, last-century concept.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Cog » Sat 19 Nov 2011, 08:07:06

I get about five bills a month which I choose to pay the snail mail way. I could pay them the on-line way but I am stubborn not to relinquish that control.

Once a week mail delivery would be fine with me.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Heineken » Sat 19 Nov 2011, 09:42:01

Same here. As few bills as possible, paid in the slow, low-tech way---that's me.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby vision-master » Sat 19 Nov 2011, 09:46:31

Try stop mail service to a deceased relative, can't do it.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby AgentR11 » Thu 01 Dec 2011, 14:59:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I')nternet connections are barely existent out here in the hinterland along with decent cell phone service, (watch for land lines next to be cut). You have a whole group of people who will essentially be cut off from essential and reliable communication and any chance at all of keeping up with more metropolitan areas.


I know the PNW is "special" because they seem to hate utility infrastructure towers; so that may be a problem for yall as land lines are dropped and replaced with cell&3g networks. In Texas, there are more than a few places that the 3g connectivity is better than the dsl/cable connectivity, so that may be where things are going, especially in rural areas. Discreet towers dotted here and there are much easier to maintain than hundreds or thousands of miles of wire strung on poles or buried in tubes...

I'm also kinda opposite yall on the mail and bill things. I do it almost all electronically, even works on my 3g droid. I'm not sure how this is less vulnerable than physical mail delivery. I've had more physical mail failures, than I have had EFT failures, and the EFT failures are easier to demonstrate to the payee and fix in a timely fashion. "Well, I mailed your check.." just doesn't cut it anymore.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Heineken » Thu 01 Dec 2011, 16:29:33

I don't know, AgentR---for me, paying bills by computer would be a hassle. You know, accounts, passwords, logging in, all that junk. I get tired of it.

The disappearance of the Postal Service will hit older people especially hard. Millions of old folks don't even own a computer and wouldn't know what to do with one if they did.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Heineken » Mon 05 Dec 2011, 10:05:51

Some significant cuts in service announced today. It begins.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sectio ... id=8454647

I'm often thinking of what we could have done with the money we've shipped off to AFGHANISTAN in huge sacks on C-5A transports. Saving the USPS could have been one thing, out of many.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Pops » Tue 06 Dec 2011, 16:16:41

On the news last night I heard the 1st class stamp cost needed to break even would be 68¢, not bad compared to $9 for FEx 2nd day. They also said that since any increase needs to be approved by congress (even though the PO gets no taxpayer money) it would not be forthcoming - don't want to appear to raise taxes and all. So, 3-4 day first class by default and 30k layoffs I think.

The real culprit is the Manufactured ‘Crisis’: Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions. Basically forcing the PO to pre-fund retirement for all employees (even those not yet hired or even born :lol: ) for the next 75 years - and do it within 10 years.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Lore » Tue 06 Dec 2011, 19:26:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he real culprit is the Manufactured ‘Crisis’: Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions. Basically forcing the PO to pre-fund retirement for all employees (even those not yet hired or even born :lol: ) for the next 75 years - and do it within 10 years.


A thinly disguised manufactured attempt to force the PO out of business and into the hands of private enterprise. Where modern capitalism can prevail and send $10 a letter mail over what should be 70 cents. Where granny Hawkins in Arkansas looses and corporate executives can extend their vacations in Provence.

I welcome, embrace and personally use the latest technology, but I also believe that unless we hold onto the greater part of our analog world the future will eventually bite us in the ass.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Heineken » Tue 06 Dec 2011, 20:23:58

Lore, I absolutely agree that the ultimate goal of "them" is to get rid of the USPS and privatize what's left. Congress has been doing precious little to save it.

A good national mail service is one of the few institutions I believe belongs in the hands of government (or quasi-government).
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby AgentR11 » Tue 06 Dec 2011, 20:32:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'W')here modern capitalism can prevail and send $10 a letter mail over what should be 70 cents. Where granny Hawkins in Arkansas looses and corporate executives can extend their vacations in Provence.


Letter? What's that? Americans haven't written real letters in almost a century. Those died with the telephone.

Granny needs to join the rest of her compatriots and learn how to send email and skype like a pro grand ma.
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Lore » Tue 06 Dec 2011, 21:01:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')Letter? What's that? Americans haven't written real letters in almost a century. Those died with the telephone.

Granny needs to join the rest of her compatriots and learn how to send email and skype like a pro grand ma.


Thanks for exemplifying my point.

A great proportion of youth today are incapable of even basic cursive writing. If SHTF, whenever, I guess we won't have the need for the Pony Express in the future either.

Our reliance on the tenuous and ever complicated technology we enjoy today can evaporate in a heart beat, then what?
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Re: THE US Postal Service Thread (merged)

Postby Heineken » Tue 06 Dec 2011, 23:35:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')Letter? What's that? Americans haven't written real letters in almost a century. Those died with the telephone.



Not really.

How old are you, AgentR? Personal letters were still a pretty standard way to communicate up until the 1980s, I'd say. Even today, for certain types of communication, nothing quite equals the personal letter. I still write a few, and get a few.

The telephone by no means replaced the letter (although it obviously put a dent in it). For example, consider the billions of letters soldiers wrote and received during the various 20th century wars.
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