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THE Chess Thread (merged)

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Re: chess

Postby radon » Thu 28 Apr 2011, 05:12:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '.')..

Here's a nice game against a 2200 Master.
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1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. Bc4 Bg7 4. c3 Nc6 5. d3 Nf6 6. O-O
...


Congrats, nice one.

Is the dragon's variation back in fashion? Why didn't he go for the classical one with the queenside castling?

Did you play quick (blitz) or normal time control? In blitz dragon's is a headache for the whites.
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Re: chess

Postby Pretorian » Thu 28 Apr 2011, 08:33:11

Guys how much of a difference playing chess can make for a child, mental development-wise? My father taught me at 4 but i hated the game, he was winning all the time.
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Re: chess

Postby Narz » Mon 02 May 2011, 00:45:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon', 'C')ongrats, nice one.

Is the dragon's variation back in fashion? Why didn't he go for the classical one with the queenside castling?

Did you play quick (blitz) or normal time control? In blitz dragon's is a headache for the whites.

I think he wanted to take me out of book & then just outplay me in the middle game (he was almost 300 points above me).

I'm thinking of entering the World Open this year. If my rating stays below 2000 I almost certainly will.

Re : Pretorian, I'm not sure, depends on the child. I think 4 is way too young to play against a parent, maybe against other kids. Most of the kids I see at tournaments seem mature for their ages though.
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Re: chess

Postby radon » Mon 02 May 2011, 08:04:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'R')e : Pretorian, I'm not sure, depends on the child. I think 4 is way too young to play against a parent, maybe against other kids. Most of the kids I see at tournaments seem mature for their ages though.


My observation is that the percentage of good chess players among those who excel academically in precise science is substantially greater than that among the general public.

Many finest chess players learned the game really early:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to Capablanca, he learned the rules of the game at the age of four by watching his father play, pointed out an illegal move by his father, and then beat his father twice.


Some argue that when children get deeply engaged in an intellectually demanding hobby that, like chess, lacks the socializing aspect, they may develop traits of social ineptitude. This is similar to the phenomenon of video games addicts. An extreme example would be the fictional character Luzhin. The recommendation is to balance this hobby with another involving active socializing, like dancing.

Capablanca, however, apparently possessed great interpersonal skills, and even served as a diplomat at some point.
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Re: chess

Postby Pretorian » Mon 02 May 2011, 17:25:58

but those are geniuses. i guess the key is to let the children win
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Re: chess

Postby radon » Mon 02 May 2011, 19:14:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'b')ut those are geniuses. i guess the key is to let the children win

Definitely. In fact, Capablanca's father may have been a very empathic person.
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Re: chess

Postby Narz » Thu 05 May 2011, 21:36:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon', 'S')ome argue that when children get deeply engaged in an intellectually demanding hobby that, like chess, lacks the socializing aspect, they may develop traits of social ineptitude. This is similar to the phenomenon of video games addicts. An extreme example would be the fictional character Luzhin. The recommendation is to balance this hobby with another involving active socializing, like dancing.

Capablanca, however, apparently possessed great interpersonal skills, and even served as a diplomat at some point.

I don't think I'd agree with that. Maybe if they sat at home & played in front of a computer all day but IMO playing a competitive game in person actually increases people's emotional intelligence as well. Chess tournaments are also a good way to get out of the house & meet people.
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Re: chess

Postby radon » Fri 06 May 2011, 05:38:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')I don't think I'd agree with that. Maybe if they sat at home & played in front of a computer all day but IMO playing a competitive game in person actually increases people's emotional intelligence as well. Chess tournaments are also a good way to get out of the house & meet people.

This is a fair point. The only qualification is that you would most likely socialize with very likely minded people. But this is not bad after all.
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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Narz » Fri 07 Oct 2011, 20:19:25

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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Narz » Fri 11 Nov 2011, 03:01:09

Had a pretty good tournament over at the Marshall last night (tied for second in a strong group) :)
http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201111107311
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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Narz » Fri 25 Nov 2011, 15:32:22

Check out my chess music video (I didn't make it but I had it made) : www.youtube.com/watch?v=fURFeHJyi98&

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Re: chess

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 25 Nov 2011, 16:51:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'b')ut those are geniuses. i guess the key is to let the children win

How about initially to teach the children basic chess CONCEPTS? They win when they succeed in learning and being able to demonstrate the concepts. (They can be rewarded with praise, small "prizes", or an internal appreciation of "getting it").

I teach interested people about chess starting with simple end game concepts. For example, in pawn end games the "opposition" is about as simple as it gets, yet once you get into derivative concepts like the distant opposition and how to generally obtain it, variations on various pawn structures, etc. -- the subject gets VERY complex. (There are entire large and very complex serious/structured books on pawn endgames -- so don't pre-judge until you're a candidate master level player).

Also, by starting this way, you quickly can determine whether people (adult or kids) have the talent for it, real interest in it, etc.

Also also -- learning how each piece works (in some depth) in isolation makes a LOT of sense before one tries to combine them all into the whole game -- i.e. opening theory and middlegame structure, strategy, and the immense tactical complexities.

What 4-8 year old, aside from a true prodigy could BEGIN to appreciate the nuances of the entire game -- thrown at them all at once?
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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Narz » Mon 02 Jan 2012, 01:16:16

Made three new chess videos about the three games I played today for a New Years Quad. My opponents were two National Masters and a GrandMaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyCVt4HE5Rg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laEI0bSIzdo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8_cqn78yxY

Sorry the video & sound quality aren't 100% up to par. If anyone has an alternative video creation tool for recording the screen for YouTube please let me know!
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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Narz » Tue 21 Feb 2012, 18:37:42

My two nicest games the US Amateur Team East.

I got 4.5 of 6 overall :

First was a misplayed, ultra-passive opening, penetrated by a double sacrifice & then blundered away to a loss followed by a miracle perpetual check!

[Event "Amatuer Team East 2012"]
[Site "Parsippany, NJ"]
[Date "2012.02.18"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Norris, Tony"]
[Black "Richman, Jonathan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B11"]
[WhiteElo "1951"]
[BlackElo "2125"]

1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
e6 6. d4 Nf6 7. e5 Nfd7 8. Qg3 a6 9. Be3 Qb6 10. O-O-O g6 11. h4 h5 12. Bd3 c5
13. Bxg6 cxd4 14. Bxd4 Qb4 15. Nxd5 Qc4 16. Ne3 Qxa2 17. Bxf7+ Kxf7 18. Qf3+
Kg8 19. Qxb7 Qa1+ 20. Kd2 Qa4 21. Qxa8 Qxd4+ 22. Kc1 Qxe5 23. Rh3
23... Kh7 24. Qb7 Bg7 25. Rg3 Nc5 26. Qb4 Nc6 27. Qa3 Rb8 28. Nc4 Qf4+ 29. Qe3
Qxc4 30. Rxg7+ Kxg7 31. Qg5+ Kf7 32. Qxh5+ 1/2-1/2


[Event "Amatuer Team East 2012"]
[Site "Parsippany, NJ"]
[Date "2012.02.19"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Grasso, David"]
[Black "Norris, Tony"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D30"]
[WhiteElo "2227"]
[BlackElo "1951"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c6 4. e3 Nf6 5. b3 Nbd7
6. Nbd2 dxc4 7. bxc4 c5 8. Bd3 b6 9. O-O Bb7 10. Qe2 Qc7 11. Bb2 Bd6 12. h3 h6
13. Rad1 Rg8 14. Bc2 g5 15. dxc5 Bxc5 16. Nd4 g4 17. h4 a6 18. Ba4 O-O-O 19.
Bxd7+ Nxd7 20. f4 gxf3 21. N4xf3 Rg4 22. Rf2 Rdg8 23. Nf1 Bd6 24. Rd2 Nc5 25.
Ba3 Bg3 26. Nxg3 Rxg3 27. Bxc5 bxc5 28. Qd1 Rh3 29. Ng5 Qh2+ 30. Kf1 Rxe3 31.
Rxf7 hxg5 32. Rxb7 Rf8+ 0-1

The guy should've played e4 before it was too late.


Comments welcome. Oh also here's my one loss :

[Event "Amatuer Team East 2012"]
[Site "Parsippany, NJ"]
[Date "2012.02.20"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Trubman, Anatoly"]
[Black "Norris, Tony"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A04"]
[WhiteElo "2125"]
[BlackElo "1917"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. g3 Nc6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O d6
6. c3 e5 7. Na3 Nge7 8. d3 O-O 9. Be3 Bg4 10. h3 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 Qd7 12. Bg2 Rad8
13. f4 Kh8 14. Nc4 f5 15. h4 fxe4 16. dxe4 b5 17. Nd2 b4 18. f5 gxf5 19. Bh3
bxc3 20. bxc3 Qe8 21. exf5 Nd5 22. Bg5 Bf6 (22... Nxc3 23. Qf3 Nd4) 23. Ne4
Bxg5 24. Qxd5 Be3+ 25. Kh2 Ne7 26. Qd3 Bh6 27. f6 Nc8 28. Bxc8 Rxc8 29. Qxd6
Rc6 30. Qd5 Qc8 31. Rad1 Rc7 32. Nd6 Qg4 33. Qxe5 Rd7 34. Nf5 Rxd1 35. Rxd1 Qg6 36. Rd6 Rf7 37. Nxh6 Qxh6 38. Rd8+ Rf8 39. f7+ {At this point I moved my king to "i7", off the board, as a joke and then tipped my king. I saw what was coming but played on for my team's sake until mate was inevitable} 1-0

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Strangely enough I had no technical endgames at all, every game was over before 40 moves.
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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Beery1 » Wed 22 Feb 2012, 20:52:10

I love playing chess, hate studying it. Since I can beat all my friends and virtually anyone I meet in the real world. And when I'm beaten, it's once in a blue moon, so I never feel I need to improve, because heck, who cares if I lose the odd game. So I never saw any point in really studying it. I've never understood what motivates people who become really good? Can anyone explain it?
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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Narz » Thu 23 Feb 2012, 04:18:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', ' ')I've never understood what motivates people who become really good? Can anyone explain it?

You get addicted to it. You goto tournaments, get better, start playing stronger people who crush you & it sucks so you want to improve so they can't do that anymore. I figure it's just like being able to fight physically. You can be the strongest bloke in your village but you might want to be the strongest in your whole region.
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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Schadenfreude » Thu 23 Feb 2012, 06:25:26

Chessmaster says I'm 2150, that f****** liar.
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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Narz » Fri 23 Mar 2012, 03:08:46

Broke my record tonight for highest rated opponent beaten (2246)

[Event "Marshall G-30"]
[Site "NYC"]
[Date "2012.03.22"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Norris, Tony"]
[Black "Carre, Sylvain "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "1951"]
[BlackElo "2246"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Nc3
Nxc3 6. dxc3 Be7 7. Be3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O Bf6 10. Rg1 Re8 11. g4 g6 12.
g5 Bg7 13. h4 a6 14. Bg2 Be6 15. Nd4 Nxd4 16. Bxd4 Rb8 17. Bf3 b5 18. h5 gxh5
19. Bxh5 Qd7 20. Bxg7 Kxg7 21. Qd4+ Kg8 22. g6 hxg6 23. Bxg6 fxg6 24. Rxg6+ Kf8
25. Qh8+ Ke7 26. Qf6# 1-0

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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby Narz » Fri 23 Mar 2012, 03:36:24

[Event "Marshall G-30"]
[Site "NYC"]
[Date "2012.03.22"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Sethi, Rishi"]
[Black "Norris, Tony"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D31"]
[WhiteElo "1951"]
[BlackElo "1812"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bb4
6. e3 b5 7. axb5 cxb5 8. Ne5 Bb7 9. Bd2 Bxc3 10. Bxc3 a5 11. b3 b4 12. Bd2 c3
13. Bc1 Nf6 14. Bb5+ Nbd7 15. O-O O-O 16. Nf3 Qc7 17. Bd3 Ng4 18. g3 f5 19. Re1
Ndf6 (19... c2 {clearance sacrifice!} 20. Qe2 Bxf3 21. Qxf3 Qc3) 20. h3 Nxf2
21. Kxf2 Ne4+ 22. Kf1 Qxg3 23. Ra2 Nd2+ 24. Rxd2 cxd2 25. Bxd2 Bxf3 26. Re2
Qxh3+ 27. Kg1 Qh1+ 0-1
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Re: THE Chess Thread (merged)

Postby radon » Fri 23 Mar 2012, 03:55:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'B')roke my record tonight for highest rated opponent beaten (2246)

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Nc3


Well, done, congratulations. Looks like he never had time to take a breath. Interesting variation, tactics resemble dragon Sicilian. Probably came to him as a surprise. Have 5. d2-d4 and c2-c4 further on come out of fashion?

Don't understand why he took the pawn g*h5. Was he afraid of h5-h6? But really impressive, so quick a win against so strong an opponent - and with a clean checkmate. He probably looked suprised when he realised that he was just checkmated. :-D

Btw, the PGN viewer that you linked does not work with cut and paste.
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