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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 16:06:56

Note that Germany is also largely socialist--socialized medicine, strong welfare state, well-supported public education, strong unions, powerful socialist and green parties...

Maybe these are the things that would have kept the US from sliding into the dunghill of history.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby nobodypanic » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 16:12:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'G')osh. Again?! For the last time , workers live in China and other third world countries. (most of the) People in America are redundant, they pretend to be busy at best so they can get some of the stuff they did not make.
Yet, someone up there decides they should have a lot of good food for free. But people complain anyway.

imagine that, people demanding/complaining about getting food. what's wrong with them? they should just shut up and starve, like you'd do if you had nothing to eat; just die quietly. :roll:

unfortunately for your little moralization, capital needs those people both as a means to production and to soak up their products. and, that, sir, is why 'someone up there' decides to feed them.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 21:25:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '
')imagine that, people demanding/complaining about getting food. what's wrong with them?


I guess they are just very lazy, considering that all of them either own some land or able to buy it;

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'u')nfortunately for your little moralization, capital needs those people both as a means to production and to soak up their products. and, that, sir, is why 'someone up there' decides to feed them.


As means of production they are utterly useless, since they aren't able to do anything; The reason they are fed for free as some premium hogs is the same that was stated above by Agent, so they don't get in the way . As for consumption, this job of theirs is temporal. They all will get pink slips very soon.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby nobodypanic » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 21:50:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ')I guess they are just very lazy, considering that all of them either own some land or able to buy it;

at minimum wage?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'u')nfortunately for your little moralization, capital needs those people both as a means to production and to soak up their products. and, that, sir, is why 'someone up there' decides to feed them.As means of production they are utterly useless, since they aren't able to do anything;

they do everything from flipping your burgers to roofing your house to unclogging your toilets to ringing up your groceries to moving your goods from distribution centers to stores and more.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')he reason they are fed for free as some premium hogs is the same that was stated above by Agent, so they don't get in the way.
well revolutions can be very bad for business, especially if it's one that's bent on overthrowing the prevailing relations of production and exchange.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'A')s for consumption, this job of theirs is temporal. They all will get pink slips very soon.
only if you can grow consumption somewhere else fast enough to offset the rate of decline in demand that would ensue.

how fast have emerging markets been growing lately? has their growth (with first world demand superadded) been able to prevent global economic crisis stemming from US and euro problems? now imagine how it would be removing first world demand (or just US demand) from the equation.

in any case, eventually there would be no room left to grow, no place left to expand, at which point every human would be recruited as a worker and consumer and there would be a push to grow the population faster than the rate of decline of profit to reestablish growth (of course we are removing all resource limitations for the sake of argument in order to make a point).
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby SteinarN » Thu 25 Aug 2011, 01:37:07

Really good to, for the third time on PO, add someone to my ignore list :)

Pretorian, you know who I'm speaking of.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 25 Aug 2011, 16:48:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', ' ') $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ')I guess they are just very lazy, considering that all of them either own some land or able to buy it;

at minimum wage?


yes, 1 hour of minimum wage gets you something like 2 acres of good land, in Zaire.
Work 1 hour and you are set for life. How bad working for 1 hour can possibly be?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '
')they do everything from flipping your burgers to roofing your house to unclogging your toilets to ringing up your groceries to moving your goods from distribution centers to stores and more.


Most of them don't do any of that, and those who do still they produce jackshit. No? And what is the point of doing all that for ME since I produce jackshit as well. Just as you do, or majority of this board as well.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', ' ')only if you can grow consumption somewhere else fast enough to offset the rate of decline in demand that would ensue.


Dream on. Growth is not necessary. Owning 1 billion rented slaves may be as fun as owning 7 billion, your owners just don't know it yet, my young revolutionary.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', ' ')
in any case, eventually there would be no room left to grow, no place left to expand, at which point every human would be recruited as a worker and consumer and there would be a push to grow the population faster than the rate of decline of profit to reestablish growth (of course we are removing all resource limitations for the sake of argument in order to make a point).[/quote]

Or really , do we? And what if, for the sake of the argument, we'll pretend that we live in a real world, and that resource depletion is an unavoidable reality, and that majority of the world , or even Americans that will live in 21 century will not be able to get 200-300 pounds of meat and meatproducts for free on a monthly basis if they claim they aren't able to get that much on their own?
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 25 Aug 2011, 17:00:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SteinarN', 'R')eally good to, for the third time on PO, add someone to my ignore list :)

Pretorian, you know who I'm speaking of.



How can I know? If that's me, I am very flattered considering that I've never heard of you before.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby beamofthewave » Thu 25 Aug 2011, 21:33:47

I love the food stamp program. When I got back to the states after I had served in the Peace Corps I qualified for them and they really helped me out. Other countries have socialized health care as an asset to their citizens and the USA has food stamps. Bush gave the banks 9 trillion in one evening to recapitalize them. I bet if you added up all the wars, all the Social Security, all the Food Stamp money it would never come close to the 9 trillion that went out in one evening. I absolutely have no problem assisting my fellow citizens, in fact I totally love that and it makes me feel good inside knowing that my fellow citizens have eaten some food that day. Right now I believe that Wall Street and the military are in a power struggle over who is going to control the country. Of course at this moment Wall Street controls the country but I dont think the military is going to take the cuts to their programs well but I do believe that should the military win they will continue the food stamp program simply for cannon fodder purposes.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 25 Aug 2011, 23:17:42

Obama thinks getting people on food stamps is a great way to stimulate the economy.

That fact that millions more people are now on food stamps is no accident----its part of Obama's economic program. Its time to give Obama some credit---he may not be able to grow the economy or create jobs, but he's done a great job of growing the food stamp program.

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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Thu 25 Aug 2011, 23:27:32

Excellent article about this on Daily Kos:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f they were real Americans, they would crawl under a rock somewhere and die, and leave the light of the sun to someone more deserving of it.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/2 ... -Americans
When the banksters want something, our policymakers move with the speed of Mercury and the determination of Ares. It’s only when the rest of us need something that there is paralysis.

How free are we today with the dominance of globalist capital and militarized security apparatus?
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 26 Aug 2011, 03:38:55

Good article, a well-written one. Still, considering that many grandmas can afford their property taxes, many veterans are able to keep a job, what do you suggest should be done with these ? Should we give pensions to every veteran who refuses to work, should we let young people pay taxes for all grandmas ? I mean someone must get cracking in order to provide goods and services for all those people for free. No?
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby AdTheNad » Fri 26 Aug 2011, 04:48:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')bama thinks getting people on food stamps is a great way to stimulate the economy.

That fact that millions more people are now on food stamps is no accident----its part of Obama's economic program. Its time to give Obama some credit---he may not be able to grow the economy or create jobs, but he's done a great job of growing the food stamp program.

Hey Plant, good put down. You get Obama. Naughty Obama. So you got any ideas what to do instead or are Obama's ideas better than yours?

Maybe Obama should just bring in some kind of resource dividend for the people of America like you get from oil in Alaska? Then they could do what they want with the money rather than it going straight back into the pockets of the well connected big businesses which are part of the program.

Or maybe you could just cut the program entirely. I wonder what 45 million hungry Americans look like? I think you'd probably find out just how much the wealthy are subsidised by keeping people fat and happy at home rather than out on the streets.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby gandolf » Fri 26 Aug 2011, 05:51:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', '&')quot;Genna Saucedo"? What kind of American is "Genna Saucedo"? Some lazy foreigner no doubt. She(?) needs to learn how to work harder, much harder--then she wouldn't need food stamps.


But with foodstamps, she doesnt have to.



Quite right, those damn foreigners should go back to their own country.

Does that mean that Barrack Obama has to go back to Kenya cause that sure ain’t a good old god faring American name.

In fact if your name doesn’t sound like Sitting Bull or Geronimo maybe you should all leave.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby prajeshbhat » Fri 26 Aug 2011, 07:21:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gandolf', 'Q')uite right, those damn foreigners should go back to their own country.

Does that mean that Barrack Obama has to go back to Kenya cause that sure ain’t a good old god faring American name.

In fact if your name doesn’t sound like Sitting Bull or Geronimo maybe you should all leave.



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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 26 Aug 2011, 08:25:56

Glad none of you ppl are my friends, who needs ppl like the arsewipes on this site - peace.
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Re: The Food Stamp Thread (merged)

Unread postby misterno » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 09:54:29

Woow, look at the latest figure in food stamps

Number of receipients dropped a bit

Fiscal Year and Month Participation 1/
Household Persons
----------------- Number -----------------
FY 2010
Oct 2009 17,253,466 37,672,818
Nov 2009 17,516,954 38,184,306
Dec 2009 17,886,438 38,979,289
Jan 2010 18,118,005 39,431,128
Feb 2010 18,242,903 39,588,993
Mar 2010 18,532,065 40,120,254
Apr 2010 18,696,485 40,430,679
May 2010 18,894,549 40,801,591
Jun 2010 19,143,572 41,275,687
Jul 2010 19,435,457 41,836,469
Aug 2010 19,721,947 42,389,926
Sep 2010 19,979,385 42,911,396
Oct 2010 20,183,177 43,201,052
Nov 2010 20,404,895 43,596,084
Dec 2010 20,668,184 44,082,361
Jan 2011 20,748,799 44,187,874
Feb 2011 20,791,408 44,199,479
Mar 2011 21,045,909 44,587,275
Apr 2011 21,071,176 44,647,781
May 2011 21,435,915 45,410,683
Jun 2011 21,394,405 45,183,931
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Re: The Food Stamp Thread (merged)

Unread postby Cloud9 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 10:12:43

Adjacent to my house is a large wooded tract of land. I was out early Saturday morning and noticed a dozen or so people walking out of the thicket. They were obviously day laborers walking to the intersection to be picked up for work. There appears to be a camp in the woods. They are probably decent hard working people down on their luck. The land is owned by speculators out of Orlando. These people are off the grid and no doubt invisible to the system.

This is the first time I have seen anything like this in my area and I have been here 62 years.
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Re: The Food Stamp Thread (merged)

Unread postby misterno » Tue 06 Sep 2011, 10:51:41

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/09/ ... marketbeat

Demand for Food Stamps Remains High.

The number of Americans receiving food stamps dropped in June from declining disaster assistance, but there’s still little sign of waning demand for the food assistance program.


Click on map to see percent of each state’s population on food stamps.Food stamp rolls declined by 0.5% in June to a still-high 45.2 million, the Department of Agriculture said Friday. It was the first decline since October 2008 and likely reflects declining disaster assistance to states like Alabama rather than improvements in household finances.

Alabama was hit by tornadoes in late April that sent the number of food assistance recipients soaring in May. Because disaster-assistance declined in June, it lowered the national tally. The number of recipients in the food stamp program, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), may continue to rise in coming months as families continue to struggle with high unemployment and other natural disasters.

“As we continue to create jobs and grow the economy, we anticipate that participation in SNAP will decline, which is everyone’s goal,” the USDA said in a statement. “However, future participation in SNAP will likely be impacted by state natural disaster requests as American families continue to recover from recent storms.”

In June, 14.6% of the U.S. population relied on food stamps. Food stamp rolls have risen 9.5% in the past year, though recent months show the pace of growth is slowing.

Mississippi reported the largest share of its population relying on food stamps, more than 21%, though that included some disaster assistance. One in five residents in New Mexico, Tennessee and Oregon were also food stamp recipients.

Food stamp rolls exploded during the downturn, which began in late 2007. Even after the recession came to its official end in June 2009, families continued to tap into food assistance as unemployment remained high and those lucky enough to find jobs were often met with lower wages.

States also made changes to make it easier for residents to tap into the program, such as waiving requirements that limited the value of assets food stamp recipients could own.
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Re: The Food Stamp Thread (merged)

Unread postby misterno » Wed 07 Sep 2011, 09:28:02

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Workingag ... 5.html?x=0

Working-age adults make up record share of US poor
As economy remains weak, working-age adults make up record share of Americans in poverty
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Working-age America is the new face of poverty.

Counting adults 18-64 who were laid off in the recent recession as well as single twenty-somethings still looking for jobs, the new working-age poor represent nearly 3 out of 5 poor people -- a switch from the early 1970s when children made up the main impoverished group.

While much of the shift in poverty is due to demographic changes -- Americans are having fewer children than before -- the now-weakened economy and limited government safety net for workers are heightening the effect.

Currently, the ranks of the working-age poor are at the highest level since the 1960s when the war on poverty was launched. When new census figures for 2010 are released next week, analysts expect a continued increase in the overall poverty rate due to persistently high unemployment last year.

If that holds true, it will mark the fourth year in a row of increases in the U.S. poverty rate, which now stands at 14.3 percent, or 43.6 million people.

"There is a lot of discussion about what the aging of the baby boom should mean for spending on Social Security and Medicare. But there is not much discussion about how the wages of workers, especially those with no more than a high school degree, are not rising," said Sheldon Danziger, a University of Michigan public policy professor who specializes in poverty.

Census numbers show that out of 8.8 million families who are currently poor, about 60 percent had at least one person who was working.

"The reality is there are going to be a lot of working poor for the foreseeable future," Danziger said, citing high unemployment and congressional resistance to raising the minimum wage.

The newest poor include Richard Bowden, 53, of southeast Washington, who has been on food stamps off and on the last few years. A maintenance worker, Bowden says he was unable to save much money before losing his job months ago. He no longer works due to hip and back problems and now gets by on about $1,000 a month in disability and other aid.

"At my work, we hadn't gotten a raise in two years, even while the prices of food and clothing kept going up, so I had little left over," Bowden said. "Now, after rent, the utility bill, transportation and other costs, my money is pretty much down to nothing."

"I pray and hope that things get better, but you just don't know," he said.

The poverty figures come at a politically sensitive time for President Barack Obama, after a Labor Department report last Friday showed zero job growth in August. The White House now acknowledges that the unemployment rate, currently at 9.1 percent, will likely average 9 percent through 2012.

Obama is preparing to outline a new plan for creating jobs and stimulating the economy in a prime-time address to Congress on Thursday. The Republican-controlled House has been adamant about requiring spending cuts in return for an increase in the federal debt limit. Suggested cuts have included proposals to raise the eligibility age for future Medicare recipients or to reduce other domestic programs in a way that would disproportionately affect the poor.

According to the latest census data, the share of poor who are ages 18-64 now stands at 56.7 percent, compared to 35.5 percent who are children and 7.9 percent who are 65 and older. The working-age share surpasses a previous high of 55.5 percent first reached in 2004.

Lower-skilled adults ages 18 to 34, in particular, have had the largest jumps in poverty as employers keep or hire older workers for the dwindling jobs available. The declining economic fortunes have caused many unemployed young Americans to double up in housing with parents, friends and loved ones.

In 1966, when the Census Bureau first began tracking the age distribution of the poor, children made up the biggest share of those in poverty, at 43.5 percent. Working-age adults comprised a 38.6 percent share, and Americans 65 and older represented nearly 18 percent.

Douglas Besharov, a University of Maryland public policy professor and former scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, says that expansions of the federal safety net including Social Security retirement and disability payments have been important in reducing poverty.

In 2009, for instance, the Census Bureau estimated that new unemployment benefits -- which gave workers up to 99 weeks of payments after a layoff -- helped keep 3.3 million people out of poverty. For 2010, Besharov said demographers on average expect an increase in poverty of roughly half a percentage point to nearly 15 percent, depending partly on the impact of unemployment insurance, which did not run out for many people until this year.

The current poverty level was set at $10,956 for one person and $21,954 for a family of four, based on an official government calculation that includes only cash income, before taxes. It excludes capital gains or accumulated wealth, such as home ownership, as well as noncash aid such as food stamps.

Taking noncash aid into account shifts the poverty numbers notably. Next month, the government will release new supplemental poverty numbers for the first time that will factor in food stamps and tax credits -- which often benefit out-of-work families with children -- but also everyday costs such as commuting that tend to have a bigger impact on working Americans.

Preliminary census estimates released this summer show a decline in child poverty based on the new measure and a jump in the shares of poor who are working age -- from 56.7 percent to nearly 60 percent. In all, the child poverty rate decreases from 20.7 percent under the official poverty measure to 17.9 percent, according to estimates. But the senior poverty rate jumps from 8.9 percent to 15.6 percent after including out-of-pocket medical costs, and working-age adults see an increase in poverty from 12.9 percent to 14.9 percent.

Food banks say they see a shift to a new working poor.

"Americans from all walks of life are now finding themselves in need of help for the first time in their lives," said Vicki Escarra, president of Feeding America, a national network of food banks that is based in Chicago. She noted that demand has increased by 46 percent since the recession began in late 2007, with more than 1 in 3 families who get their assistance having one or more adults working.

"The reality is we all know someone who has lost a job or a crisis that has caused financial concern. In fact, some people who used to be donors to our Feeding America food banks are themselves now turning to us for help," she said.

Demographers expect next week's poverty report to show:

--A rise in working families who are low income, to nearly 1 in 3. "Low income" is defined as those making less than 200 percent of the poverty threshold, or about $43,000 for a family of four.

--Larger numbers of people who are uninsured, due to slightly higher rates of unemployment on average in 2010. Most provisions of the new health care law, which in part expands Medicaid to pick up millions more low-income people, don't take effect until 2014.

--Blacks and Hispanics disproportionately hit, based on their higher rates of unemployment.

--A possible widening of the income gap between rich and poor, at least by some measures, due partly to last year's stock market rebound while the job market languished.

Timothy Smeeding, a University of Wisconsin-Madison professor who specializes in income inequality, called the outlook for younger adults in the U.S. especially troubling. He pointed to youth discontent in other parts of the world, such as England, where he says high unemployment and widening inequality contributed to recent rioting.

"We risk a new underclass who are not able to support their children, form stable families, buy houses and reach the middle class," Smeeding said.
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Re: The Food Stamp Thread (merged)

Unread postby misterno » Mon 10 Oct 2011, 11:54:09

–U.S. born citizens made up the majority, 94%, of food stamp households.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/09/ ... ed-income/

Some 70% of households that relied on food stamps last year had no earned income, a new report shows.


Click here for an interactive map.More than 40 million individuals and nearly 19 million households tapped the food stamp program in 2010, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. While the recession technically ended in 2009, a sluggish economic recovery left millions out of work or underemployed and leaning on the government for assistance last year.

The Agriculture Department’s annual snapshot on the characteristics of food stamp households, released Friday, shows that seven in 10 households receiving food stamps had no earned income last year, though many got other forms of government benefits.

Nearly 21% of households on food stamps also received Supplemental Security Income, assistance for the aged and blind. Some 21.4% received Social Security benefits. Just 8% of households also received Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, the cash welfare program.

But some 20% of households had no cash income of any kind last year, up from 15% in 2007, the year the recession began, and up from 7% in 1990.

That’s partly because most household heads who were receiving food stamps were also out of work. Just 21.8% of them had jobs in 2010, while 19.8% were jobless and looking for work.

More than half of household heads who received food stamps, 51.1%, weren’t in the labor force and weren’t searching for work. Labor-force dropouts have been a particular concern for economists, who worry their lost potential damages economic output. Those who drop out of the work force often turn to other government programs, such as Social Security disability, which is costly.

On average, food stamp households brought home $731 per month in gross income. Their food assistance averaged $287 a month.

Among the other interesting factoids:

–Food stamps may be emerging as a lifeline for families after their unemployment insurance expired. Just 6.7% of households who received food stamps were getting jobless benefits.

– Nearly half of all food-stamp recipients, 47%, were children under the age of 18. Another 8% of recipients were age 60 or older.

– Whites made up the largest share of food stamp households, 35.7%. Some 22% of households receiving food stamps were counted as African American and 10% were Hispanic.
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