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Re: Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 03 Aug 2011, 00:37:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'L')et 'em starve. Darwin at work. :o :o :o

At that point, one can always consider a resort-type prison in Norway, especially if you are gay.
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Re: Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 03 Aug 2011, 01:37:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I') think the middle class works for government. There is one hardware store and one lumber yard that is not owned by a chain in my county of 100,000.


Yeah it's starting to look that way. Nobody in the private sector consumer economy has the pay, benefits, and stability of gov workers. The average American changes careers something like 5 times, many many more individual job changes within field. At some point though the music stops and you're 58 years old and there's no bouncing back from that last layoff.. and no unemployment comp.. nothin', just screw you in the Eat Cake economy.

Democrats appear to have morphed into the government employee party. The jobless? Pfft. But touch a dollar of teacher benefits and then you have mass protests and capital building takeovers and drama and tears.

Gradually, state and muni governments are bringing their workers down to parity with the slave wage private sector class. No more good pensions, 401k for you. No more platinum healthcare plans. Gravy is still good though for federal gov employees. Federal government has a printing press. :lol:

Ultimately though, people miss the point criticizing gov workers.. it's not they they make too much and their benefits are too good, the real problem is the private sector has sunk so low.
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Re: Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 03 Aug 2011, 02:16:12

Ohhhh.. this isn't good.. foodstamp use DOUBLED in Alabama in just one month:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')igging into the numbers reveals something pecuiliar: virtually the entire surge in monthly SNAP participation is due to one state alone: Alabama, which saw those living on foodstamps jump from 868K to 1.762MM. That's 36% of Alabama's population. Is this merely a grand rehearsal for the Jefferson County bankruptcy? Did the state see a mass surge in foodstamp use as hundreds of thousands are trying to game the system in advance of what will be an apic Chapter 9? And if yes, what does that mean for all the other states which will promptly follow in the footsteps of Jefferson County, and for US foodstamp participation?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/food-stamp-use-surges-most-years-alabama-foodstamp-recipients-double-may


Foodstamp use has been creeping up, but doubling in just a month is very anomalous. What the heck happened in Alabama.. there wasn't a natural disaster..

Also I wonder whether so much food stamp use inflates the cost of food, making it even harder for the working poor to buy food and then you get a vicious cycle with more and more on foodstamps, with foodstamps themselves fueling inflation.
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Re: Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.

Unread postby the48thronin » Wed 03 Aug 2011, 23:26:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'O')hhhh.. this isn't good.. foodstamp use DOUBLED in Alabama in just one month:

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Foodstamp use has been creeping up, but doubling in just a month is very anomalous. What the heck happened in Alabama.. there wasn't a natural disaster..

Also I wonder whether so much food stamp use inflates the cost of food, making it even harder for the working poor to buy food and then you get a vicious cycle with more and more on foodstamps, with foodstamps themselves fueling inflation.



HMMM no natural disaster? HMMMM lets see 150 tornados some on the ground for over 100 miles... over 10,000 homes demolished in one day... nope you are right, nothing unusual happened there!
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Re: Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 04 Aug 2011, 04:31:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'H')MMM no natural disaster? HMMMM lets see 150 tornados some on the ground for over 100 miles... over 10,000 homes demolished in one day... nope you are right, nothing unusual happened there!


Ah you're right.. Tuscaloosa is in Alabama. So it was that devastating then, enough to push almost a million more Alabamans onto food stamps?
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Re: Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.

Unread postby the48thronin » Thu 04 Aug 2011, 16:48:23

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15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 23 Aug 2011, 18:19:31

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2011/08/us-becomes-food-stamp-nation-15-percent.html
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Genna Saucedo supervises cashiers at a Wal-Mart in Pico Rivera, California, but her wages aren't enough to feed herself and her 12-year-old son.

Saucedo, who earns $9.70 an hour for about 26 hours a week and lives with her mother, is one of the many Americans who survive because of government handouts in what has rapidly become a food stamp nation.

Altogether, there are now almost 46 million people in the United States on food stamps, roughly 15 percent of the population. That's an increase of 74 percent since 2007, just before the financial crisis and a deep recession led to mass job losses.

At the same time, the cost doubled to reach $68 billion in 2010 -- more than a third of the amount the U.S. government received in corporate income tax last year
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby nobodypanic » Tue 23 Aug 2011, 18:53:13

what we have here is a means of subsidizing american business.

you see theoretically wages cannot drop below the level necessary for the reproduction of variable capital (the workers), as the labor force would simply perish. this is a physical limitation to the intensity of exploitation. however, if the government makes up the short-fall, then the rate of exploitation can go beyond this physical limit and business can generate more surplus value than would otherwise be possible. it's a response to the declining rate of profit and an attempt to make accumulation once again possible.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Tue 23 Aug 2011, 21:13:14

"Genna Saucedo"? What kind of American is "Genna Saucedo"? Some lazy foreigner no doubt. She(?) needs to learn how to work harder, much harder--then she wouldn't need food stamps.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 01:23:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', '&')quot;Genna Saucedo"? What kind of American is "Genna Saucedo"? Some lazy foreigner no doubt. She(?) needs to learn how to work harder, much harder--then she wouldn't need food stamps.


But with foodstamps, she doesnt have to.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 01:29:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'w')hat we have here is a means of subsidizing american business.

you see theoretically wages cannot drop below the level necessary for the reproduction of variable capital (the workers), as the labor force would simply perish. this is a physical limitation to the intensity of exploitation.


Gosh. Again?! For the last time , workers live in China and other third world countries. (most of the) People in America are redundant, they pretend to be busy at best so they can get some of the stuff they did not make.
Yet, someone up there decides they should have a lot of good food for free. But people complain anyway.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby prajeshbhat » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 02:43:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'G')osh. Again?! For the last time , workers live in China and other third world countries. (most of the) People in America are redundant, they pretend to be busy at best so they can get some of the stuff they did not make.


The people is America that you are calling redundant, had no say in the decision making process when some geniuses decided their jobs should be outsourced to low wage poor countries. For all their free competition rhetoric, the companies in america don't really want to compete with their domestic competitors. So they just outsource their work to factories in some third world country where people are starving, so they will accept any wages that are offered to them.
The redundant people should have revolted 3 decades ago when they saw their jobs being outsourced.For this they themselves are to blame. Now this downward spiral will only end when their wages are lower than those laborers in China.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pops » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 08:17:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('prajeshbhat', 'T')he people is America that you are calling redundant, had no say in the decision making process when some geniuses decided their jobs should be outsourced to low wage poor countries.

Of course they did, no one forced them to go for the lowest price always. In fact, people told them they were killing their towns by letting in WalMart and the very deep discounters but they couldn't wait to have their very own.

Now their towns are just another franchise of WalMart, Home Depot and McDonalds. There is less and less locally owned retail and even the service business are chains.

America is one big Chinese outlet center and now cheap crap is all we can afford on a clerks wage.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby prajeshbhat » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 09:55:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'O')f course they did, no one forced them to go for the lowest price always. In fact, people told them they were killing their towns by letting in WalMart and the very deep discounters but they couldn't wait to have their very own.

Now their towns are just another franchise of WalMart, Home Depot and McDonalds. There is less and less locally owned retail and even the service business are chains.

America is one big Chinese outlet center and now cheap crap is all we can afford on a clerks wage.


A lot of people saw this coming. Here is a video of Noam Chomski back in 1993 warning about the ill effects of globalization on american labor. I think we can say categorically that globalization has been bad for American labor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbSMkSiaU04
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pops » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 10:44:49

I lived in the Sierra Nevadas at just about that time and spoke at the city council meeting in our little gold rush town that wanted their very own WalMart, I was booed.

Couple of years later half the local business had closed.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 13:14:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('prajeshbhat', ' ') $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'G')osh. Again?! For the last time , workers live in China and other third world countries. (most of the) People in America are redundant, they pretend to be busy at best so they can get some of the stuff they did not make.


The people is America that you are calling redundant, had no say in the decision making process when some geniuses decided their jobs should be outsourced to low wage poor countries.

So life isn't fare.. what else is new? Btw, Germany somehow managed to keep their industry with sky-high wages and benefits. Because they managed to keep quality of their work despite of Chinese competition and Turkish infestation. Companies didn't move for the heck of it, companies moved because people DON'T DO ENOUGH to justify their pay. They aren't worth it. Germans do, so they are still paid.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 13:21:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') lived in the Sierra Nevadas at just about that time and spoke at the city council meeting in our little gold rush town that wanted their very own WalMart, I was booed.

Couple of years later half the local business had closed.


Question is, if an average yokel of Sierra Nevada was better off by maintaining all those local businesses along with their families and hubris? Paying 1000 people to do what 20 can is somehow better?
If that is the case you still can hire them to move bricks back and forth.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby dsula » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 13:26:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') lived in the Sierra Nevadas at just about that time and spoke at the city council meeting in our little gold rush town that wanted their very own WalMart, I was booed.

Couple of years later half the local business had closed.


Question is, if an average yokel of Sierra Nevada was better off by maintaining all those local businesses along with their families and hubris?.

Yes, because 1000 little stores make for an attractive main street. Attracting tourism and money. A wal-mart just looks the same, and boring, whether in CA or VT.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby peeker01 » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 13:27:20

Germans have a fierce nationalism. They love their country. They are proud of their country.
From the top management down to the rank and file worker, they are patriots. They seem
to have realized faster than America, your people have to work if they are going to eat.

Germany doesn't allow foreigners to pour across their borders. If you work in German as a
foreigner, you must have a work permit. When your permit expires, they come looking for you
and throw you out of the country.
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Re: 15% of Americans now on Food Stamps

Unread postby dsula » Wed 24 Aug 2011, 13:40:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'G')ermans have a fierce nationalism. They love their country. They are proud of their country.

no they don't. Early in school they're taught not to be proud but to be ashamed of themsleves and their heritage, whereas each immigrant is taught to be proud of himself and his background. Typical liberal bs. Ever notice how many proud german flags you see flown in germany? Not many. Because God forbid, you show some pride, you're a nazi and racist.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', '
')Germany doesn't allow foreigners to pour across their borders..

Yes they do. Half of germany is turkish, arabic, yogoslavian, negro, asian, russian, greek, spanish, portugise, italian ...
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