[EOTWAWKI]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')f socialism is such a good idea? Why does Apple have more cash than the government?
Where in the world is socialism working? Russia, China, Cambodia, Cuba all have rallied round the flag of the worker’s paradise. First off they murdered millions of their own countrymen. Then to save their regimes they had to resort to first black market capitalism and then state run capitalism. There is no incentive for production aside from fear in the socialist state. Production becomes a sham. Bureaucrats become the new plutocrats. Do you ever wonder why the KGB still runs Russia?

[EOTWAWKI]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'C')og, Obama has been very good to the rich. He extended the Bush tax cuts, blocked financial reform, what more could you ask for? It's amazing a Democrat would do that. When Bush first passed these tax cuts, some of his own advisers warned it would wreck the budget. ...
This man has a solid Republican record, what I don't understand is why you guys don't just nominate him. Give him credit at least, Jesus. He's been good to you.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EOTWAWKI', 'S')ocialism is the only thing that is working. Capitalism has once more disgraced itself and is about to take another face dive into the hard road of reality.

[Roderick Beck]

EnergyUnlimited,

You don't know what you are talking about. You engage in fear mongering and really don't know much about the world outside of North America (that may be a generous assessment).

The best functioning countries are social democracies, including Germany and Northern Europe. Not the raw capitalism that you espouse. Germany consumes 50% less energy per dollar of GDP than the US, and France, relying on nuclear power, generates 6 tons of CO2 per year per person, versus the US at 20 tons per year per person.

US energy consumption can be dramatically curtailed without affecting the standard of living because US is so energy inefficient.

Nor is economic growth solely a function of cheap energy. It also depends on improvements in human capital, physical capital, and technology.

In fact, it was technology that led to cheap energy.

The Tea Party advocates are losers. Pure and simple.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roderick Beck', 'T')he best functioning countries are social democracies, including Germany and Northern Europe. Not the raw capitalism that you espouse. Germany consumes 50% less energy per dollar of GDP than the US, and France, relying on nuclear power, generates 6 tons of CO2 per year per person, versus the US at 20 tons per year per person.

[Cloud9]

That is always the caveat of the great socialist thinkers. It has never been tried. The argument goes socialist countries like the Soviet Union were socialist in name only. Trust me, guys like Leon Trotsky and Lenin thought they were socialists. So be it. You are a true believer in the socialist utopia and the millions who have died in an effort to achieve the impossible will simply be overlooked. There can be no discussion between ideologues.

I will say this, of the socialist’s experiments that have been tried; the only ones that have come even close to working were religious in nature.

As for the much vaunted German state consider this. It only exists because of the United States. We built it from the ground up. We created the German economy. We have nurtured and protected it at our expense for almost half a century. They could because of a standing American army in their midst devote a much larger portion of their GDP to their social experiment. We paid the lion’s share of the costs that kept the Russian Bear behind the iron curtain. Without the American presence, Germany would be a much different place. Now Germany unfortunately has squandered much of its hard earned wealth in banker’s schemes on the periphery. We will see how the game plays out in a world of declining resources.

Don’t get me wrong. Europe is awesome. Pairs at night, well there is nothing like it.

[kildred590]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat you are watching is the some of the final spasms of liberalism. From Greece, to Spain, to the US, the money has run out, they've spent and spent and spent,

[Cloud9]

Of course we bombed the crap out of them, Hitler declared war on us. My pop did not land in Germany but he did do some flying over it in a B-17. My father in law on the other hand was on the ground in Berlin in 1945/46. I have seen the pictures. The buildings were in the streets. Women and children were picking up the rubble. According to him, you could buy most anything you wanted with a carton of cigarettes.

So yeah we rebuilt Germany and in no small way fathered a whole new generation of Germans. As for the debt, debt is the vehicle of the world order or

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')SNBC host Martin Bashir interviewed Stanton Peele, a psychologist and an "expert on addiction," this afternoon. Bashir urged Peele to psychologically evaluate supporters of the Tea Party. "It reminds us of addiction because addicts are seeking something that they can't have," Peele said. "They want a state of happiness or nirvana that can't be achieved except through an artificial substance and reminds us of the Norway situation, when people are thwarted at obtaining something they can't, have they often strike out and Norway is one kind of example to one kind of reaction to that kind of a frustration."

Bashir later asked: "So you're saying that they are delusional about the past and adamant about the future?"

"They are adamant about achieving something that's unachievable, which reminds us of a couple of things. It reminds us of delusion and psychosis," Peele responded.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/msnbc-host-guest-call-tea-partiers-addicts-delusional_581987.html

[Pops]

I don't think they are delusional at all, I think they are just as surprised as anyone at the level of influence they have.

The guy said the opposition to the TEAs are mystified as well and can't figure out how things came to this.

How silly, I think about 16% of the electorate voted in the primaries in '10. What do you expect to get when only the people pissed about... obama... voted?

[basil_hayden]

The delusional psychosis part is where the US spends more in "defense" than all other countries combined, wages war across the globe, doesn't return with the spoils of war to benefit the country, yet thinks this system is sustainable.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')I wonder what this psychologist would think of peak oil doomers? Would climate change doom be okay, but something like peak oil doom be "delusional?" For that matter, is religion delusional? Who gets to decide these things?

[AgentR11]

In past generations, reports like these were a good way to beat down lower-middle class folks who'd been riled up; as they still wished to be seen as normal and well liked.

Unfortunately, the guy tossing the label "delusional" is delusional. This is likely to have the opposite impact. The TPs expect to be derided by all BAU tied sources, media, existing elected officials, supposedly unbiased commentators, etc. This just goes to further their belief in their status as "enemy of the powers that be". Its funny from an righty observers' point of view too, since that very motivation definitely does make them an enemy of the powers that be; primary challenges used to be near guaranteed futile against a sitting rep; but with TP in play??? muhahahha, they'll string up one of their anointed so fast it'd make your head spin if they fail to stand firm against the evil god of compromise!

They are also not delusional about objectives. Their objectives are *VERY* achievable. The good doctor will likely be horrified by the consequences of those objectives, but make no mistake, the TP folks are focused (by accident or intent) on exactly the true source of power when the establishment wants more money. There is exists no more powerful "NO" in government against spending, than what the House of Representatives can deliver. If they choose to not pass an appropriation... the money stops. They don't need the Senate's consent. They don't need the Pres. The House can stop it dead without possibility of resurrection, all by themselves.

That is the source of the fear that you see amongst those that oppose the TP folks.

[Cloud9]

I once had a prison psychologist order me to reduce a man’s custody because he was a threat to himself and others in close confinement. From my experience, those that go into this profession do so in order to diagnose their on psychosis.

[nobodypanic]

addicts? nah. more like simple idiots.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')es, Tea Partiers are delusional. So too are Democrats, Conservatives, Keynesians and Austrian School economists. For that matter Greens, liberals, socialists, and communists are also delusional. And let's not forget Creationists and Muslims. All delusional.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')SNBC host Martin Bashir interviewed Stanton Peele, a psychologist and an "expert on addiction," this afternoon.

[Fishman]

Well they've been called irrelavent, declining in power, terrorist, delusional. But gosh, they just keep kicking liberal a$$e$/. And golly gee, the markets are crumping AFTER we added two trillion dollars to our debt limit. That wasn't supposed to happen per the lets keep spending libs, but exactly what the tea party indicated would happen if we didn't curb our spending. Hey MSNBC, please keep calling them names, it hardens their skin and makes them stronger for the election battles of 2012. They broke Obama, he can hang up the rest of his presidency. No name calling from the cockroach media that gave him the presidency will weaken the tea party now.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'W')ell they've been called irrelavent, declining in power, terrorist, delusional. ... No name calling from the cockroach media that gave him the presidency will weaken the tea party now.