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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Novus » Sun 19 Jun 2011, 23:47:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'A')s horrible as the public Idiot Factories are, the thought of putting the control of the Idiot Factories into the hands of profit-driven private businesses is mind-numbing. 8O



Yes because government=good and profit=bad.


I don't get why it has to be either or. There is such a thing as private non-profit organizations. A good example is the Red Cross which has in the past provided timely disaster relief faster than inefficient government institutions. Red Cross was serving hot meals and setting up tents in the Hurricane ravaged areas a week before FEMA could be bothered to helicopter in some water and ice to those same areas at great expense. Our schools should ideally be run by institutions like the Red Cross. Not inefficient government and not evil for profit driven businesses.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Expatriot » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 07:11:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'W')e don't need public schools. It was a bad invention to begin with.


Nonsense!


We did fine for thousands of years without public schools and will do so again.


Only if you consider keeping whole populations ignorant and subservient to a fractionally small upper class.


Because that's not what we have now?!!! Aahahahahahahahahhaha. Nice one. I needed a good laugh to start the day.

The slip-knot mentality. Just keep pulling harder - it'll eventually loosen up.

Can't wait for the day when the giant yellow transporters for the Idiot Factories can't run anymore because there is no diesel.

Public education is a failure. We can fail for a lot cheaper.

Public education - the foundation of Marxism.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Expatriot » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 07:16:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o because government=incompetent basis and profit=greed basis


If you’re unhappy with your private school, you can send your children elsewhere.

If you’re unhappy with the government school, you can’t do anything about it.

Which one has a stronger incentive to provide high quality education?


The motivation won't be derived from "quality" education. The motivation will be derived from making money.

IF (you'll notice that is a BIG IF) they can perfectly connect "quality education" and "profit" then you will be right.

But that's not how things work. How things work is that government involvement through regulations causes the profit motive to be based on other things.

For example - there might be rewards for % graduation rate. For % minority enrollment. For teacher retention. For average test scores. And so on. Those will completely skew how the private schools behave.

With the govt. run Idiot Factories At Least, at the end of the day, many of the people running the show actually care about how kids do.

You put Exxon or Pepsi in charge, and the people running the show won't care two tinkers woof woof about the kids. They will be as cattle - useful only to get to the profit.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Expatriot » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 07:21:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'I') don't get why it has to be either or. There is such a thing as private non-profit organizations. Our schools should ideally be run by institutions like the Red Cross. Not inefficient government and not evil for profit driven businesses.


So we turn over all the tax money to a corporation (albeit non-profit) that has zero motivation to ensure quality education?

Or are you going to make it so that there are performance mandates and incentives?

And, if so, how is that going to differ from govt. run schools? The non-profits will be bound by the same education laws, will have no profit motive, and will be controlled in the exact same manner as the current Idiot Factories.

What's different except the title?
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 07:57:17

I don't know about where you all live, but around here, our public schools are heavily influenced by the school board and each neighborhood's parents. I guess you might consider the school board "government" but they are pretty responsive to the people.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Novus » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 08:40:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'S')o we turn over all the tax money to a corporation (albeit non-profit) that has zero motivation to ensure quality education? Or are you going to make it so that there are performance mandates and incentives?
And, if so, how is that going to differ from govt. run schools? The non-profits will be bound by the same education laws, will have no profit motive, and will be controlled in the exact same manner as the current Idiot Factories. What's different except the title?

Re-read the part of my post you serendipitously left out of the quote. The difference would be like the effectiveness between FEMA and the Red Cross. One is a bloated government institution and the other is an organization that actually helps people when they need it most. Unlike government institutions private non profit organizations cease to exist if they stop doing a good job. Just because profit is not a motivation doesn't mean there is no motivation. People who work for non profits still get paid and still need show performance. If the institution fails they lose their jobs just like every other working sap. That is plenty of motivation for your average person. Non profit just means there are no greedy Wall St type investors and stockholders involved trying to squeeze every penny out of system.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Expatriot » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 08:55:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'I')f the institution fails they lose their jobs just like every other working sap. That is plenty of motivation for your average person.


I'll assume you're being serious there.

My experience differs from yours. My experience is that, with the exception of those who have an ownership interest in a company, virtually every employee is working for the paycheck, and not a one operates on a daily basis with an eye toward the long-term success of the company.

Perhaps that is a product of the transitory nature of employment nowadays, or perhaps it's an indication of biological underpinning.

Either way, it's, to me, laughable idealism to believe that a teacher will be motivated to do a better job because, if they don't, his/her school will close.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 21:14:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '.')..Either way, it's, to me, laughable idealism to believe that a teacher will be motivated to do a better job because, if they don't, his/her school will close.

Why is it always the teacher's fault for not doing a "good job", especially when Americans value stupidity?

I think this article from The Onion sums it up best:
"Department Of Education Study Finds Teaching These Little S***s No Longer Worth It" The Onion
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 21 Jun 2011, 08:59:32

If schools are to be privatized, I say great, NO Government funding period - zero - notta..... :)
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 05:38:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'H')ow about learning to take care of the Planet and to live in sustainable ways, 7 generations out? :)

Finally, some logic.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 05:41:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'A')s horrible as the public Idiot Factories are, the thought of putting the control of the Idiot Factories into the hands of profit-driven private businesses is mind-numbing. 8O



Yes because government=good and profit=bad.

Here's a great idea... privatize all schools.

Then in 20 years down the road, the Republicans will be talking about de-regulating the Education industry, like they did the airlines, etc.

Or maybe they can set up some sort of market system where higher performing schools can sell some of their scores to lower performing schools.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Expatriot » Sat 09 Jul 2011, 23:03:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '.')..Either way, it's, to me, laughable idealism to believe that a teacher will be motivated to do a better job because, if they don't, his/her school will close.

Why is it always the teacher's fault for not doing a "good job", especially when Americans value stupidity?

You came in late to the thread. I wrote that in response to a previous post.

I agree with you. Parents are ultimately responsible. Teachers can only do so much.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby mattduke » Sat 09 Jul 2011, 23:34:05

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Here are some "truant" children on their way to government school!
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby rangerone314 » Sun 10 Jul 2011, 11:29:39

Privatizing will not work because education cannot be twisted into even a remote resemblance of a market system in order to take advantages of the dynamics of a market system.
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