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Chris Christie wants to privatize schools
Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools
by stephankrasner » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 12:01:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')eachers would have to work their butts off just like everyone else in the private sector.
Obviously, you have never been a teacher. The work is way more difficult than sitting in a cubicle, engaging nothing but a computer screen and a slew of bosses. As a teacher you actually have to think about every student in the room and engage them.
Also, teachers are extremely cheap labor in the public sector. An entry level teacher gets paid about $30,000 per year to teach 5 classes per day. How much are you willing to pay to have someone to take control of your kid for 7 hours AND teach them useful knowledge all day? $8.50 per hour would be fair for teaching right? After all, I pay my personal trainer $50 per hour just to train 2 people at the same time. Using those numbers it would cost $14,280 per kid per year. if you have a class of 20 that's $285,600 per year. $30,000 per year is a BARGAIN that means each hour of training is just $0.83 per hour if your kid has a class of 20, $0.59 for a class of 30. If anything we are underpaying our teachers. Have you ever tried to take control of 20 kids and teach them stuff at the same time? Not to mention they have to put up with little no no budget for teaching materials, and parents who whine and cry at how poorly they think the teacher is doing.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools
by AgentR11 » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 12:14:38
I don't think anyone is saying entry level teachers make too much. I think their pay is about right.
Problems are:
1.) administrators make too much.
2.) there is no easy way to fire.
3.) there is no easy way to remove disruptive kids.
Problems are:
1.) administrators make too much.
2.) there is no easy way to fire.
3.) there is no easy way to remove disruptive kids.
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And so shall we remain,
Until the end.
And so shall we remain,
Until the end.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools
by Cloud9 » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 13:41:44
Our county office put in a time clock one year. We clocked in when we came to work and clocked out when we left. The time clock and the time sheets disappeared after one month. Every club, organization, every activity is organized and run by teachers. As a case in point: I finished bagging up my wife’s computers at about noon today. The last day for students was last Wednesday. The last day for teachers was Thursday. Had we not bagged all the computers and sewing machines and mixers and the thousand other items and locked them up, they would not be there next school year. Hells bells, we put in forty hours after hours just on prom. We take personal leave days to chaperone school trips because the budget won’t hire a sub otherwise. Those of you who think this business is easy should get into it.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools
by PrestonSturges » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 15:53:14
Just take the same approach to ambulance drivers, soldiers, and firemen - keep slashing their pay and cutting their resources until the improve, damn it!
While you're at it, give trash collection over to short timer crackheads and parolees, who will be happy to dispose of your credit card statements.
While you're at it, give trash collection over to short timer crackheads and parolees, who will be happy to dispose of your credit card statements.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools
by Pops » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 16:23:21
The scary thing to contemplate is that until a very few generations ago, the average human was occupied with scratching out the mere 10-20 percent more calories than they were expending in the effort. Today, with the help of lots of oil, one farmer feeds 10's and 100's of people, thus freeing them to do all the marvelous things modern humans do.
I can't help but wonder how that equation will look a another few generations down the pike.
I can't help but wonder how that equation will look a another few generations down the pike.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools
by Pretorian » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 17:09:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stephankrasner', 'A')n entry level teacher gets paid about $30,000 per year to teach 5 classes per day. How much are you willing to pay to have someone to take control of your kid for 7 hours AND teach them useful knowledge all day? $8.50 per hour would be fair for teaching right?
I've seen a school where teachers were making $10 per month and most kids could wipe the floor with their US peers. And yes, you will find plenty of teacher wannabes at $8.5 an hour, especially considering that often the position does not require a degree or even knowledge of the subject.
PS What is your personal extravaganza got to do with anything??
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools
by Pretorian » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 17:16:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'J')ust take the same approach to ambulance drivers, soldiers, and firemen - keep slashing their pay and cutting their resources until the improve, damn it!
While you're at it, give trash collection over to short timer crackheads and parolees, who will be happy to dispose of your credit card statements.
While you're at it, give trash collection over to short timer crackheads and parolees, who will be happy to dispose of your credit card statements.
you put a photocopy of a credit card statement in every trash bag you use?
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools
by Oneaboveall » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 19:47:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'A') private business isn't inherently evil. They're just motivated by profit. If you combine this profit motive with competition and consumer choice, then you wind up with innovation, efficiency, and a superior product...
WTH kind of Businesses have you been dealing with?
I don't know how to answer that.. do you actually deny that innovation exists, and that it's driven by profit and competittion? You don't think private sector competition and market forces result in the best product for the best price?
Ok I'll think of some random examples..
Right now I'm using Google Chrome browser. If not for profit motive and competition, I'd still be stuck using that bloated and lousy Microsoft Internet Explorer. But thanks to competition I get to use Chrome, which is super fast and clutter free and innovative.
Same thing with phone service. Competition and profit motive spurred more innovation and lower prices over these last 15 odd years than probably the previous fifty years. I'm old enough to remember the old school Baby Bells. I remember paying long distance rates just to call a city that's one hour's drive away -- now thanks to competition and innovation I have my cheap and feature rich cell phone, plus a free Google phone and with Skype I can video call anywhere in the world for free. In response to this fierce competition and innovation, the old school Baby Bells were forced to lower prices (nationwide free long distance) and innovate (by getting into fiber optic and competing with cable companies).
So that's how it works in every industry, fierce competition combined with a profit imperative results in the greatest possible efficiency and innovation.
This principle is basic stuff, it applies to every industry.. the real problem are MONOPOLIES. That's what causes bloat and failure, a monopoly, doesn't matter if it's the old Ma Bell or a school system.
I'm thinking more of the business that are incapable of delivering product to the shelves, stores that are incapable of stocking shelves, companies that build nuke plants over fault-lines and others such private sector stupidity.
When the banksters want something, our policymakers move with the speed of Mercury and the determination of Ares. It’s only when the rest of us need something that there is paralysis.
How free are we today with the dominance of globalist capital and militarized security apparatus?
How free are we today with the dominance of globalist capital and militarized security apparatus?
