[TheAntiDoomer]

and these are just the main lines, there are literally thousands of smaller arteries going to just about every town i america, what is the problem again?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', 'w')hat is the problem again?

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', 'a')nd these are just the main lines, there are literally thousands of smaller arteries going to just about every town i america, what is the problem again?

[seahorse3]

I regularly ride bikes with a group of guys that work for JB Hunt, which you all may know is one of the biggest long haul trucking carriers in the US. I asked just last night about moving to NG trucks. They said they had a total of 3, for local routes, and purchased only at the demand of the particular client. That the trucks are too expensive to justify the cost and can't be used on long haul routes bc no service/support infrastructure for them. In addition, the county where I lived looked at transitioning its vehicles to NG but decided against it bc there was no cost savings and the cost to put in the infrastructure was out of reach. So, despite all the cheap NG, no one is using it for vehicles in any appreciable manner to transition off of oil yet. I suspect that until Congress does something along the lines of what Boone Pickens is proposing, nothing will happen. Further, even after that happens, it simply takes a lot of time and money to put in the infrastructure, change fleets over, etc to make an appreciable difference. Since we haven't started, NG should be cheap for a long time. I'm all for it, and have bought stock in Picken's company CLNE, but the reality is, its a long way from going from dream to reality.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse3', ' ')Since we haven't started, NG should be cheap for a long time. I'm all for it, and have bought stock in Picken's company CLNE, but the reality is, its a long way from going from dream to reality.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse3', ' ')So, despite all the cheap NG, no one is using it for vehicles in any appreciable manner to transition off of oil yet.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse3', ' ')So, despite all the cheap NG, no one is using it for vehicles in any appreciable manner to transition off of oil yet.

[JRP3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')

We can't afford to maintain the current pipeline infrastructure. It's slowing rusting and collapsing and you expect to cover vast swatches of the US with additional pipelines?

[misterno]

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Nah, LPG is. It doesn't require anywhere near as much compression and is a lot more efficient.[/quote]

can you please explain further why LPG is more efficient than natural gas or oil?

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'H')irsch was not interested in NG-powered buses.

[JRP3]

Since almost half the US population has no access to NG at home, and almost the entire population has no access to on the road NG refueling, they won't have that choice. Add in the aforementioned inefficiency of burning NG in an ICE, and the huge costs involved in building out an infrastructure, and it's pretty obvious why NG for personal transportation is a poor idea.

[coolcars]

Even if we were to build out an NG infrastructure it would be a temporary solution. Any fossil fuel is a temporary solution. I would rather seen NG used to create hydrogen and then build out that infrastructure for the short term including fuel cell cars, then hope for a water-to-hydrogen technical breakthrough in the long-term.