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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Lore » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 14:58:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou really haven't read any history have you?


Plenty... you should try some. A return to the middle ages is not my idea of progress.


You really don't accept power-down and die-off do you? Sad that you have been a member here for this long and still haven't learned anything. BAU is a refuge for the idiot.


Is that all you got? If you really knew half of what would result in your libertarian anarchist’s wet dream you’d back up a bit, but I doubt you’re being able to grasp the concepts.

What does power-down, die off and BAU have to do with a universal education? I know it’s difficult, but here, let me help you,… nothing! If anything it’s the only thing that would make a difference. I guess you're happy keeping the vast majority of ideologically lame knuckle draggers stupid and unaware of their fate. The only idiots are those pin-heads who would foster such notions.

Welcome to that not so select crowd attempting to create a fascist nightmare.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby stephankrasner » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 15:52:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o, the problem stems from management.


My sentiment exactly. Management in the national school union and management from the national school board.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')esides, how to you judge performance? Test scores. :lol:


How would you judge performance? Take the students/teachers word that they learned the material?
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 16:19:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', ' ')

Oh come now Pretorian, You surely remember my "sob story" from a while back in which I described how I wound up going to predominantly black schools in Newark after acting up all the time in my own neighborhood.


well but of course I do, that stuff never gets old.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', ' ') Thing of it is that I don't remember it being that bad when I was a kid. When I was a teacher though...lets just say I'm not teaching now and (to perfectly blunt) I'd put a bullet in my head before I went back to teaching in Newark.



Everything was better when one was young. That does include demographics. I can't help but wonder how Newark's and Detroit's schools will look in 30 years from now.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Cog » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 16:35:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou really haven't read any history have you?


Plenty... you should try some. A return to the middle ages is not my idea of progress.


You really don't accept power-down and die-off do you? Sad that you have been a member here for this long and still haven't learned anything. BAU is a refuge for the idiot.


Is that all you got? If you really knew half of what would result in your libertarian anarchist’s wet dream you’d back up a bit, but I doubt you’re being able to grasp the concepts.

What does power-down, die off and BAU have to do with a universal education? I know it’s difficult, but here, let me help you,… nothing! If anything it’s the only thing that would make a difference. I guess you're happy keeping the vast majority of ideologically lame knuckle draggers stupid and unaware of their fate. The only idiots are those pin-heads who would foster such notions.

Welcome to that not so select crowd attempting to create a fascist nightmare.


Your deflection is noted. No matter how much you rant, redistribute wealth, or play around with social engineering, the doom train has left the station and there will be no stops until it crashes.

By the way, the majority of people are way too stupid to save and a waste of time to educate. Superiority is one of those natural things that happen. I know that bugs you at some level but you need to get over it.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Lore » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 17:14:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')y the way, the majority of people are way too stupid to save and a waste of time to educate. Superiority is one of those natural things that happen. I know that bugs you at some level but you need to get over it.


Right, a wall paper hanger from Austria thought the same thing in the last century.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby highlander » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 19:00:18

Well, it did take a little longer than usual to bring out the Nazi label, but, it was fun while it lasted.
It seems that I read the basis of our education system was from Prussia. it was designed to make good soldiers/factory workers. maybe an overhaul that emphasized critical thinking is in order. It certainly couldn't hurt.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Lore » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 19:32:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'W')ell, it did take a little longer than usual to bring out the Nazi label, but, it was fun while it lasted.
It seems that I read the basis of our education system was from Prussia. it was designed to make good soldiers/factory workers. maybe an overhaul that emphasized critical thinking is in order. It certainly couldn't hurt.


The fear in using the fascism analogy as taboo in an argument is a bit overplayed. It's only unfair when used as a crutch out of context. If it fits, use it. Forgetting history one is doomed to repeat it, as they say.

Critical thinking would require a liberal education.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 19:34:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '.')..By the way, the majority of people are way too stupid to save and a waste of time to educate...

You know what's funny, Cog? In your own way, you've hit on an issue that has the most profound effect on the academic performance of students in the US. It's not a question of intelligence, however; it's more a question of attitude: Americans regard smart people with contempt as being "elitist" and respect people who are stupid as being "down to Earth". From the gated communities to the ghettos, Americans value education only insofar as it can as being a means to high paying job. They don't value a curiosity about the wider world and regard people who do as a waste. If it doesn't make you money, it isn't worth pursuing. A anyone who does pursue these things should be regarded with suspicion, contempt, and dismissed as a elitist who thinks he's better than everyone else. Better to deal with the guy who's not that bright, but at least is "one of us."
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 19:38:51

I want to go back to school and learn Alchemy and Gnostic teachings? Where do I sign up? :)
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Lore » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 19:43:03

The dumbing down of America.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost fourth-graders who took a national U.S. history test last year were stumped when asked a question such as this: Identify a picture of Abraham Lincoln and give two reasons why he was important.

A majority of eighth-graders had trouble with this kind of question: Articulate an advantage American forces had over the British during the Revolutionary War. And most 12th-graders missed on questions of this sort: Why did the United States enter World War I?


Average scores for history on the National Assessment of Educational Progress — a federally funded series known as the nation’s report card — have risen slowly since 1994. But the portion of students who fail to reach a basic level of achievement remains larger than the share rated as proficient or advanced, particularly for high school seniors.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 19:46:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') want to go back to school and learn Alchemy and Gnostic teachings? Where do I sign up? :)

I think you just proved my point for me.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 19:51:16

Gnostic teachings are somehow left out of all theology classes even though b4 Christ it wuz the second largest religious teaching in the whole World. Gnostic means 'Knowledge of Life'. :)
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 19:59:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'G')nostic teachings are somehow left out of all theology classes even though b4 Christ it wuz the second largest religious teaching in the whole World. Gnostic means 'Knowledge of Life'. :)

And my point is that you should be able to study those subjects if that's where your interests are.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 20:16:15

Yes, yes.

Current schools want Borg. :lol:
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 20:27:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he dumbing down of America.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost fourth-graders who took a national U.S. history test last year were stumped when asked a question such as this: Identify a picture of Abraham Lincoln and give two reasons why he was important.

A majority of eighth-graders had trouble with this kind of question: Articulate an advantage American forces had over the British during the Revolutionary War. And most 12th-graders missed on questions of this sort: Why did the United States enter World War I?


Average scores for history on the National Assessment of Educational Progress — a federally funded series known as the nation’s report card — have risen slowly since 1994. But the portion of students who fail to reach a basic level of achievement remains larger than the share rated as proficient or advanced, particularly for high school seniors.
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Interesting stuff. I shouldn't be surprised though. Even in grad school, I saw a few people who were very ignorant about basic facts.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 21:19:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') want to go back to school and learn Alchemy and Gnostic teachings? Where do I sign up? :)

I think you just proved my point for me.

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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Wed 15 Jun 2011, 16:13:16

While a lot of people made jokes, I see no one tried to refute anything I said a few posts back.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 15 Jun 2011, 16:55:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', 'W')hile a lot of people made jokes, I see no tried to refute anything I said a few posts back.


What's to refute? On the left, if you walk into a unionization meeting of some meat packers, and spend the entire evening waxing eloquent on Keynesian economics, you'll like find yourself packed and wrapped with the balogna. Walk into a gun rights meeting and speak at length on history and effective military doctrine in the Balkins and you got good odds of finding yourself with the target dummies. (exaggerating for effective humor here..)

Its really horrifying when you think about it what it means, but.. half the people have IQ's less than 100. They won't be doing multi-variable calculus, nor will they be interested in the historical analysis of the Russo-Japanese war; but they most certainly will let you know how they feel about you indicating that you have an interest in such things, and they'll stomp you good if you even think the word "elite" while in their presence.

People do not want to be led by the smartest person; they want to be led by the most powerful personality, someone who will force the smartest to serve them and their interests. Being outside the boundaries of those 2 standard deviations should not be interpreted as leave to act overly confident or outwardly wise; especially not in this era. I don't know if the guillotine is due for a revival, but restraint and humility might be wise virtues for such individuals to adopt.
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 15 Jun 2011, 17:38:05

ppl want the truth but believe and live the lies. Evolution and Christianity are two that come to mind. lsol :)
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Re: Chris Christie wants to privatize schools

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Wed 15 Jun 2011, 17:41:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', 'W')hile a lot of people made jokes, I see no tried to refute anything I said a few posts back.


What's to refute? On the left, if you walk into a unionization meeting of some meat packers, and spend the entire evening waxing eloquent on Keynesian economics, you'll like find yourself packed and wrapped with the balogna. Walk into a gun rights meeting and speak at length on history and effective military doctrine in the Balkins and you got good odds of finding yourself with the target dummies. (exaggerating for effective humor here..)

Its really horrifying when you think about it what it means, but.. half the people have IQ's less than 100. They won't be doing multi-variable calculus, nor will they be interested in the historical analysis of the Russo-Japanese war; but they most certainly will let you know how they feel about you indicating that you have an interest in such things, and they'll stomp you good if you even think the word "elite" while in their presence.

People do not want to be led by the smartest person; they want to be led by the most powerful personality, someone who will force the smartest to serve them and their interests. Being outside the boundaries of those 2 standard deviations should not be interpreted as leave to act overly confident or outwardly wise; especially not in this era. I don't know if the guillotine is due for a revival, but restraint and humility might be wise virtues for such individuals to adopt.

It seems like you and I are basically in agreement.
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