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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 04:36:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')f energy prices are on a sideways climb upwards, than an increase in cost will better prepare us for this permanent mountain. However prices have been going up forever. a can of cola use to be five cents. i just wish there was a complete, official answer. So many voices are arguing different things. Lets just have one collective truth and handle it like adults.


If I understand what you want by "one collective truth" -- i.e. about our economic future re the economy and inflation -- I certainly understand WHY you want it (we all do) -- but that's the ONE area I can guarantee you that we will NOT get that.

We actually know so little about economics that it is more of a religion (belief system) than a science. The main reasons seem to be:

1). It is based on groups of people. People are irrational -- it's not like you can come up with reliable formulas to predict their behavior.

2). You can't do meaningful experiments for it in the real world (many variables over time). Experiments with verifiable results are at the HEART of science. You can't stick people in an "economy jar" and watch them for years. In the real world there are thousands of variables, and many evolve constantly (including the global economy itself).

So what you have, with all the economic punditry and also the sincere laymen and even economists -- is largely guesses based on how they think and how they were trained and how they POLITICALLY believe in the world.

If you doubt this, consider a couple of things:

1). The left believes in and touts economic policies like big government macroeconomic policy (high taxes, big government social programs, government "investment" etc.) which "just happen" to align with the political leanings of the left. Economic stimulous -- never enough, for example.

2). The right is just the opposite. They "just happen" to believe in low taxes (which they tout endlessly, regardless of what else is happening), free markets, small government, few government programs -- which align with right wing policies.

It's emotion driven, not intellectually driven. Like any emotional political issue.

Of course, you'll never get 90+% of laymen and 99+% of economists to admit this!

:)
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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby Pops » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 08:25:36

Last year 30% of ALL profit in the US was made by "financial institutions".

Since they don't produce anything, I'm guessing that profit needs to come from somewhere and the somewhere is inflation.

Or is that wrong?
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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby mattduke » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 09:46:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')f energy prices are on a sideways climb upwards, than an increase in cost will better prepare us for this permanent mountain. However prices have been going up forever. a can of cola use to be five cents. i just wish there was a complete, official answer. So many voices are arguing different things. Lets just have one collective truth and handle it like adults.


If I understand what you want by "one collective truth" -- i.e. about our economic future re the economy and inflation -- I certainly understand WHY you want it (we all do) -- but that's the ONE area I can guarantee you that we will NOT get that.

We actually know so little about economics that it is more of a religion (belief system) than a science. The main reasons seem to be:

1). It is based on groups of people. People are irrational -- it's not like you can come up with reliable formulas to predict their behavior.

2). You can't do meaningful experiments for it in the real world (many variables over time). Experiments with verifiable results are at the HEART of science. You can't stick people in an "economy jar" and watch them for years. In the real world there are thousands of variables, and many evolve constantly (including the global economy itself).

So what you have, with all the economic punditry and also the sincere laymen and even economists -- is largely guesses based on how they think and how they were trained and how they POLITICALLY believe in the world.

If you doubt this, consider a couple of things:

1). The left believes in and touts economic policies like big government macroeconomic policy (high taxes, big government social programs, government "investment" etc.) which "just happen" to align with the political leanings of the left. Economic stimulous -- never enough, for example.

2). The right is just the opposite. They "just happen" to believe in low taxes (which they tout endlessly, regardless of what else is happening), free markets, small government, few government programs -- which align with right wing policies.

It's emotion driven, not intellectually driven. Like any emotional political issue.

Of course, you'll never get 90+% of laymen and 99+% of economists to admit this!

:)

Economics made good progress up until 1936. But government did not like the results and gave us Keynes instead (they even knighted him). Step out of the darkness and learn what they don't teach in government schools: Austrian economics.

http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf
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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 16:41:33

But isn't it ironic that the GOP now seems to speak entirely in the coded language of Marxist dialectics and the first action of GOP governers was to put millions of workers under direct government control? The moment the GOP gains a measure of control, suddenly they have a Crusader like faith in the infallibility of government.
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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby notill » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 17:07:34

$2.89 for a loaf of bread at Walmart, and it's being forced to raise prices further because of rising commodity prices? I just sold premium hard red milling wheat for $280 ton. 14 cents for that loaf of bread. So what accounts for the big price increases, labor? Transportation? or corporate profits.
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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 17:14:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('notill', '$')2.89 for a loaf of bread at Walmart, and it's being forced to raise prices further because of rising commodity prices? I just sold premium hard red milling wheat for $280 ton. 14 cents for that loaf of bread. So what accounts for the big price increases, labor? Transportation? or corporate profits.


But what about futures. The wheat you sold was probably resold several times, with futures contracts involved , right? So I think lots of middlemen in between you, the commercial bakery, then Walmart.

Incidentally, maybe I'm stuck in the past but $2.89 is a lot for crappy store bread. 8O Wonderbread and all that crap is all air anyway, they use way too much yeast to stretch the wheat out. Three bucks used to be the price of a good bakery loaf.
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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby notill » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 17:49:20

Kansas City Board of Trade, where Hard Red is traded, sits at 9.06 per bushel, or 60 lbs, a little over 15 cents per lb. From my 14 cents, I also pay transportation/destination charges. Still, we're talking a rise in commodity charges here. Wheat fell by 2/3rds over the last couple years, to an historic inflation adjusted low, with little or no decline in retail prices.
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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 18:18:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('notill', '$')2.89 for a loaf of bread at Walmart, and it's being forced to raise prices further because of rising commodity prices? I just sold premium hard red milling wheat for $280 ton. 14 cents for that loaf of bread. So what accounts for the big price increases, labor? Transportation? or corporate profits.

Keep in mind the $1 loaf of bread was before $1 gasoline, so I'm surprised it is still that low.
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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 19:55:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('notill', '$')2.89 for a loaf of bread at Walmart, and it's being forced to raise prices further because of rising commodity prices? I just sold premium hard red milling wheat for $280 ton. 14 cents for that loaf of bread. So what accounts for the big price increases, labor? Transportation? or corporate profits.

Keep in mind the $1 loaf of bread was before $1 gasoline, so I'm surprised it is still that low.


I haven't made bread in a while. Last time I figured it out, I think I came out to 50 or 75 cents per loaf for me to make it (I could cut that down buying yeast at Sam's Club instead of the little store packets).

I'll have to make some bread again, figure it out. Not rocket science.. flour, water, yeast.
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Re: Wal-mart US CEO: "Serious inflation ahead"

Postby misterno » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 23:03:16

When I go to work every morning, the first thing I do is not checking my emails or eating my breakfast or look at my work email.

The first thing I do is checking USDCNY=X in yahoo screen. This is the value of Chinese Yuan versus USD

It hit all time high last friday to 6.53

Now, why is it important?

I believe It is one of the most important factors in determining the price of oil, bread, corn, soy and every other commodity in the long term.

Everytime Chinese Yuan increases against the USD, an average Chinese' purchasing power increases a bit. There are more than 1.3BN chinese in China and you go head and calculate how much of a potential increase in consumption for corn, pork, soy bean and oil everyday, we are facing.

This is the only reason why we used to have 79 cents and up stores 10 years ago in Houston, 89 cents stores 5-6 years ago and now there are none. All we have is 99 cents only stores selling items in much smaller boxes at a much lower quality. There are several stores in Houston with a title $1.09 now. If you go to dollar tree, most items are priced more than $1.39.

There is no way American manufacturing can compete with chinese manufacturing costs where chinese workers are paid 1/10th of an average american. This means that no matter how high the Yuan increases against USD, the American manufacturing will not pick up or become competitive.

This means Yuan will keep increasing making oil cheaper everyday for an everage Chinese because oil is priced in USD. And everytime Yuan increases, we are becoming poorer, because prices are going up because commodities are priced in USD.

All I can say is, 5 years from now, $3.5/gal of gas will look so cheap.

We are going down so fast, it is just unbelievable.
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THE Walmart Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby mos6507 » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 09:38:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FranklySpeaking', 'I') recall when Walmart first opened and they trumpeted with huge signs everywhere "Made in America", "Buy American"


You got anything to back that up?
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Re: Walmart CEO: shoppers are out of money, there is no reco

Postby Nefarious » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 10:42:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FranklySpeaking', 'I') recall when Walmart first opened and they trumpeted with huge signs everywhere "Made in America", "Buy American"


You got anything to back that up?


Damn Moss you don't remember that? It was back in the eighties. I remember the tv commercials. I think the slogan was "check the label" or "I checked the label" something like that.
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Re: Walmart CEO: shoppers are out of money, there is no reco

Postby Keith_McClary » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 11:30:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FranklySpeaking', 'I') recall when Walmart first opened and they trumpeted with huge signs everywhere "Made in America", "Buy American"


You got anything to back that up?

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Re: Walmart CEO: shoppers are out of money, there is no reco

Postby evilgenius » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 12:38:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he Zombie Viper may be on the way out but I think Walmart has like 50 or 60,000 SKUs left...

One hopes that it's not on the way out; it hasn't even been released yet. :?

I have noticed not being able to find things I used to at Wally World. A lot of people have been complaining on other boards about the dearth of new product.


I was just in a Walmart to buy, as I said to myself, for the first time in a long time something other than motor oil. I needed a new pair of jeans. The men's department in this particular store was long and narrow, and devoid of the overabundance that I remember from days gone by. I thought, maybe I will pick up some t-shirts too. The selection was paltry, as they only had multi-packs of unlovable colors (not many of those either). The same went for a lot of things in the men's department, not very much there and no apparent shelf space for the things I remembered. I remember Walmart as a place where items in the men's department practically overflowed into boxes where a person had to dig to find what they wanted. That being said the prices, though a little higher, were not that high. It looks like what they are doing is to scale back inventory breadth in response to lower demand.

I think they are still the place to buy a big screen tv. Definitely they are the still the cheapest place for motor oil. The potato chip crowd can still look toward Mecca as well.
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Re: Walmart CEO: shoppers are out of money, there is no reco

Postby evilgenius » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 12:41:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FranklySpeaking', 'I') recall when Walmart first opened and they trumpeted with huge signs everywhere "Made in America", "Buy American"


You got anything to back that up?


Damn Moss you don't remember that? It was back in the eighties. I remember the tv commercials. I think the slogan was "check the label" or "I checked the label" something like that.


I remember that as well. I also remember when the first Chinese items started to appear they kept on with the 'Buy American' thing.
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Re: Walmart CEO: shoppers are out of money, there is no reco

Postby Lore » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 12:47:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he Zombie Viper may be on the way out but I think Walmart has like 50 or 60,000 SKUs left...

One hopes that it's not on the way out; it hasn't even been released yet. :?

I have noticed not being able to find things I used to at Wally World. A lot of people have been complaining on other boards about the dearth of new product.


I was just in a Walmart to buy, as I said to myself, for the first time in a long time something other than motor oil. I needed a new pair of jeans. The men's department in this particular store was long and narrow, and devoid of the overabundance that I remember from days gone by. I thought, maybe I will pick up some t-shirts too. The selection was paltry, as they only had multi-packs of unlovable colors (not many of those either). The same went for a lot of things in the men's department, not very much there and no apparent shelf space for the things I remembered. I remember Walmart as a place where items in the men's department practically overflowed into boxes where a person had to dig to find what they wanted. That being said the prices, though a little higher, were not that high. It looks like what they are doing is to scale back inventory breadth in response to lower demand.

I think they are still the place to buy a big screen tv. Definitely they are the still the cheapest place for motor oil. The potato chip crowd can still look toward Mecca as well.


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Re: Walmart CEO: shoppers are out of money, there is no reco

Postby FranklySpeaking » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 13:19:59

Actually guys, I remember that right on their first store signs it used to say "Walmart - Made in America" (at least in Ohio) and I remember the first TV commercials were made with a patriotic pitch "Be American - Buy American - Always at Walmart". And then they progressed to "Check the label" (supposedly if you could find anything for sale in the store that was not made in America, you got a $100 gift certificate or something like that. Its been a while but I remember all the red white and blue pro- American propaganda they spewed for the first 3-5 years of their existence. Am I the only one to remember that fraud? Anyway, I think we should dig up old Sam and send his bones to be buried in China where he is probably a national hero like Chairman Mao.
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Re: Walmart CEO: shoppers are out of money, there is no reco

Postby Sixstrings » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 13:22:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I') remember that as well. I also remember when the first Chinese items started to appear they kept on with the 'Buy American' thing.


Yeah that didn't last long. At the time it was just a response to initial backlash about imports. It was also a marketing ploy.. trump up the couple items they sell that happen to be made here. But it didn't last long at all as I recall.

The whole "Made in USA" thing is a scam anyway. Only a portion has to be made here, plus the US has various territories where they have sweatshop labor but they can still stamp USA on it.
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Re: Walmart CEO: shoppers are out of money, there is no reco

Postby FranklySpeaking » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 13:37:39

Actually the law is that if "final assembly" is done in a U.S. territory (even Guam or Puerto Rico) it can legally be labeled as "Made In America". Even today, quite a few retailers are still attaching their labels on U.S. soil on goods made in China, Phillipines, etc. and are peddling them as made in America, even the guy who bought the Remington Electric Shavers (remember his TV commercials?). Its sad guys but those New York marketing guys duped the best and brightest of us all. Do you think they moved to China or do they still live amongst us? I think they are even more evil and unethical than the time-share clowns and all those MLMers that stalked us for over a decade. Who do you guys think were the worst unAmerican predators - Exxon and her six sisters?
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Re: Walmart CEO: shoppers are out of money, there is no reco

Postby crude_intentions » Fri 29 Apr 2011, 13:49:55

I remember the stories about the "Made in America" campaign. Sam Walton's body was still warm when they painted over the "Made in America" on all trucks and scrapped it. :lol:
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