[bart]

In the current political climate, just about anything violent will be used as justification for widespread repression.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Seattle Post-Intelligencer', 'W')ASHINGTON -- Environmental and animal-rights activists who have turned to arson and explosives are the nation's top domestic terrorism threat, an FBI official told a Senate committee yesterday.

Groups such as the Animal Liberation Front, the Earth Liberation Front and Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty are "way out in front" in terms of damage and number of crimes, said John Lewis, the FBI's deputy assistant director for counterterrorism.

"There is nothing else going on in this country over the last several years that is racking up the high number of violent crimes and terrorist actions," Lewis said.
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Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., the panel's chairman, said he hoped to examine more closely how the groups might be getting assistance in fund raising and communications from tax-exempt organizations' "mainstream activists" not directly blamed for the violence.
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/ ... ist19.html

[FatherOfTwo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')
To be sure... but the "unknown" hits are more telling.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

I think there are people here who would run to daddy if there was something of interest. The open posts are no big deal its the private messages that would be more interesting. Once you know how someone leans you can talk all you want, you don't have to let the whole world in on it.

They have better things to do with their time.

[NeoPeasant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'D')unno about your Feds, but I've already told I believe the Chinese govt is reading us.
They look like they take many ideas from here!

[OilyMon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')K I can't resist...

In Soviet Russia peakoil.com monitors you!

[4StringSlinger]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yavicleus', 'W')e don't live in Soviet Russia, we can say what we like about the gov't.

And if enough gov't agents actually read the stuff that's on here, then maybe things might start to change in Washington as more people become Peak Oil aware.

[JoeW]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'W')hy would they give a frig?

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FatherOfTwo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')
To be sure... but the "unknown" hits are more telling.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'S')tandard rule of activism. One in every ten people in any politically active group is a police infiltrator. Actually JD...you sort of act like a fed

[vegasmade]

Personally, I don't care if they're watching. Come and get me!
This thread did remind me of something I saw elsewhere...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
It's fringe material, I know. But it's interesting none the less.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', 'I')t's fringe material, I know. But it's interesting none the less.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'T')his topic has come up before. Just ask Aaron for some of the domains that have been visiting this site regularly. Savinar's site gets similar hits. Computers within every federal agency visit the sites regularly. CIA, FBI, DIA, etc. etc.

[threadbear]

Forums are a great pressure relief valve for people 'just a little upset' by a totalitarian takeover. And you know, you can jabber jabber, and type away and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans to those in power. What they would be monitoring is anything advocating violent overthrow, or civil disobedience.

The earnest anti-neocon groups that organize online, using tradtional consensus politics, are kind of funny. It's like watching the boyscouts on bottle drives to defeat the Gambino crime family-- A complete utter waste of time. These groups are NO problem for those in power, so mere expressions of disapproval, hate, rage, pain from disorganized individuals shouldn't bother Bushco at all. It might have Cheney running for the sadist bondage paraphernalia, in a state of utter glee, but that's the extent of it.

[ArimoDave]

I'm curious. This is addressed to those of you who are paid to monitor various groups.

Could you please explain to us what exactly you are supposed to be looking for?
Another question, is why are you looking for these particular things?

If it is because your boss told you to do so, can you justify your actions?
This becomes especially important if you are part of the United States Government.
Did you not swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States?
Are your actions within the spirit of the Constitution?

Along with what you are looking for, could you tell us how the data are collected, and what goes into the data base(s)?
Do you even know what is done with the data you collect?
If not, then are you sure that the data is being used correctly?

You do not need to give specific examples, just an idea of the kinds of information.
I think that this would go a long way to aleviate the paranoia that the unknown generates.

Is there is anyone of you who is bold enough answer these questions here?
You don't have to do so at work, you can go to a library, etc. and respond there.

Everyone please don't use this as an excuse to pretend to be a Fed.
I know it is tempting, but I am rather serious about wanting to find out why, and what is being monitored.

I think that if we really knew, we would be either extremely upset, and justifiably so, or relieved.
I think the latter may be more likely the case. If it is the former, then those who are collecting
the data need to do some serious soul searching.

ArimoDave

PS If no one replies then can we assume that their monitoring is illegal at best?

[JonM]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', 'h')ttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
It's fringe material, I know. But it's interesting none the less.

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JonM', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', 'h')ttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
It's fringe material, I know. But it's interesting none the less.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'S')o what do you think? Are the Feds monitoring peakoil.com? Will they infiltrate peak oil groups to defuse them? Or are the peak oilers so impotent that such measures are unnecessary?

[Rickenbacker]

For me, the forums here are my primary source for relevant new information, analysis and interpretation of PO and its implications and also for the geopolitical situation in general. alot of pretty well informed (and a lot of less well informed!) people post here, and I find much of it interesting and stimulating.

If we assume governments (particularly US) to be well aware of this issue, then surely they'll at least check out the main PO sites, to monitor the undercurrents and keep watch incase they cause a tide. If not, perhaps they just read up on stuff here because we're ahead of the game!!!! (Ok I'll stop kissing everyones ass!)

If Moore's right, and police spies get into cookie sharing 'pensioners for peace' style groups, then surely they would be mildly interested in something of this significance (especially if it is our chatter thats whacking the oil price up! Sorry about that peeps!) Has there been any obvious/documented attempts by Cointelpro types to affect the board/join in/damage the site etc.?

If any government employees read this and arent involved in the sneaky side of things, do they post? For all the talk, its hardly like we're a bunch of violent anarchists, just interested in our own futures and how we should plan for them, so if youre there, get posting Mr. Fed!

Where would you go to find out about PO if you were the FBI?

[EddieB]

If I worked for the federal government I'd go to the CIA for PO information. The CIA compiles reams (cia world fact book) of economic data the world over, I'm absolutely certain they have good numbers on oil production from all the major producers, well as good as anyone else, including the producers themselves.

[turmoil]

i would add that, IMHO, the fact book is a diluted version of the truth. Obviously, I'm not saying it's completely off the mark, I'm just saying that they don't include everything "for national security."

Edit: hint, it's only 80MB (un-zipped)