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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 02:01:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hat would most people prefer, chronic debt problems or living in a world where a loaf of bread costs a million dollars?


Or worse, a world where money is no longer accepted for food. All over Zimbabwe, there are people only accepting PMs in exchange for food.

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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 02:08:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hat would most people prefer, chronic debt problems or living in a world where a loaf of bread costs a million dollars?


Or worse, a world where money is no longer accepted for food. All over Zimbabwe, there are people only accepting PMs in exchange for food.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt15F21jpN8


People are only accepting Private Messages in exchange for food?!? :razz:
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby gollum » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 02:13:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '
')Are you so sure? Hyperinflation cancels a lot of debts, and we're a heavily indebted people.


What would most people prefer, chronic debt problems or living in a world where a loaf of bread costs a million dollars?



I suspect most people would gladly print their debt away, and pay a million dollars for a loaf of bread later, and I'm sure the government will.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 08:10:16

Nostalgia here:

"I'll gladly pay you a dollar tomorrow for a hamburger today."

Did I get the quote right? Anyone else remember this?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby RikkiTikkiTavi » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 16:41:13

"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today." -Wimpy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Wellington_Wimpy
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After the Revolution

Unread postby evgeny » Mon 14 Mar 2011, 19:53:59

“Democracy … arises out of the notion that those who are equal in any respect are equal in all respects,” said Aristotle.

But if the Philosopher disliked the form of government that arose out of the fallacy of human equality, the Founding Fathers detested it.

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule,” said Thomas Jefferson, “where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.” James Madison agreed, “Democracy is the most vile form of government.” Their Federalist rivals concurred.

http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/03/11 ... evolution/
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby nobodypanic » Mon 14 Mar 2011, 20:03:43

ironically as it turns out the top 1% have taken away the rights of the other 99%!

bourgeois parliamentarianism.
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 14 Mar 2011, 20:18:23

Any pure mob-like democracy is violent and brief. That's why we have a representative democracy or a republic.

But lately the wingnut have been VERY LOUD about how "America is a republic, not a democracy."

I think what they are saying is that even if the majority disaprove of some surprise move they pull after the election, Trojan Horse style, well everyone can just STFU because this is "not a democracy."
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 14 Mar 2011, 20:23:18

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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby Loki » Mon 14 Mar 2011, 21:11:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evgeny', '
')“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule,” said Thomas Jefferson, “where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.”

This quotation does not strike me as 18th-century English, and I've read a fair bit of the Founders' writings, especially my boy TJ. Sure enough, this quote is bogus.
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 14 Mar 2011, 23:32:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evgeny', '
')“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule,” said Thomas Jefferson, “where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.”

This quotation does not strike me as 18th-century English, and I've read a fair bit of the Founders' writings, especially my boy TJ. Sure enough, this quote is bogus.

It certainly does sound like a modern wingnut hoax quote, and Jefferson would not use that language (I've read most Jefferson). Most hoax quotes put no effort into sounding authentic, and even when paste together many different actual sentence fragmants they sound false.

Also, saying that the results of elections are tyranny is a perfect example of where Tea Party types overlap with Marxist Dialectics and Hegelian (what became Nazi) Dialectics, saying that elections equal tyranny.

Of course I'm always good for a quote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s regards the possibility of putting these ideas into practice, I beg you not to forget that the parliamentary principle of democratic majority rule has by no means always dominated mankind, but on the contrary is to be found only in brief periods. of history, which are always epochs of the decay of peoples and states.

-Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf p.451
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby Cloud9 » Tue 15 Mar 2011, 06:49:52

The failings of a pure democracy lie in the dictatorship of the majority. Government by its very nature is authoritarian. Unfettered it becomes the Leviathan that destroys that which it was designed to protect. Our goal now and always should be for a minimal government tethered by the Bill of Rights.
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 15 Mar 2011, 09:05:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ny pure mob-like democracy is violent and brief.


Agreed! That's why Switzerland is so bad. Can you imagine, mob having voting power over things like, giving out citizenships , or war declarations, or placement of monuments! To top all that they even force young local liberasts to hold thing like this at their own homes!!

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Can you imagine how hurt some of their feelings are? That's just so unfair!


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')hat's why we have a representative democracy or a republic.



Yeah! So we won't be like those Swiss.
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby evgeny » Tue 15 Mar 2011, 10:43:29

Savage grin democracy

If Libya joins Tunisia and Egypt on their way to a bright democratic future.
What, then expect the Libyans?
Examples already exist.
Here we take Egypt.
The revolution seems to be over, and the victorious people turned to peaceful weekdays. Peaceful everyday life in the performance of democratized Egyptians consist of such charitable activities, such as the dispersal of demonstrations and beatings of women in honor of March 8. Demonstrators, some of whom participated in the revolution, with its inherent simplicity of the floor decided that with the victory of democracy, women will be considered as people. Their mistake was explained to them quickly, using both conventional methods of physical restraint, and loud verbal advice to get in to the kitchen, unless, of course, they do not want to be democratic stoned.

Do not correspond to a democratic state of affairs in Egypt were not only women but also Christians - the Copts. They began simply to kill. Ninth March 15-crowds, with support from the army, ransacked a Christian neighborhood. Burned down several churches, 9 people were killed and 150 wounded. The authorities not only failed to protect the Christian quarter, but was denied asylum in the resolution of the reconstruction of destroyed churches thugs. Constitution of a democratic Egypt states that the fundamental law of the country is the Shariah, which is very scary Christians suddenly found themselves as outcasts and non-citizens.

Well, at the same time in the liberated Cairo decided to release from prison the previous assassins of President Anwar Sadat. Apparently, they are not murderers, but merely the early champions of democracy, not understood by the then undeveloped society.

Finally, democracy in Egypt should bloom after the referendum on March 19, which precedes a planned June elections. Favorites of the season - the Muslim Brotherhood, which is calculated at 35% - 40% of the seats in parliament.
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby careinke » Tue 15 Mar 2011, 12:23:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evgeny', '
')“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule,” said Thomas Jefferson, “where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.”

This quotation does not strike me as 18th-century English, and I've read a fair bit of the Founders' writings, especially my boy TJ. Sure enough, this quote is bogus.


TJ was a strong advocate of majority rule. However he was also mindful of the rights of the minority (except for slaves). Here is a quote from his first inauguration that pretty much sums up his belief.

"Bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 15 Mar 2011, 12:56:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he failings of a pure democracy lie in the dictatorship of the majority. Government by its very nature is authoritarian. Unfettered it becomes the Leviathan that destroys that which it was designed to protect. Our goal now and always should be for a minimal government tethered by the Bill of Rights.


The Bill Of Rights is not to limit the ability of the government to infringe on your rights, it is to limit the ability of anyone to infringe on your rights.

Of course, there most conservatives and the theocratic fake libertarians (Rand Paul) disagree. For instance, Rand thinks the Civil Rights Act should only apply to the federal government, and if private businessees (and charter schools) want to segregate, well fine.

So if a budding Fascist movement wants to terrorize critics into silence, that is not a job for the county sheriff, not the federal government. The government would have no business messing with the KKK. I disagree.
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 15 Mar 2011, 15:32:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he failings of a pure democracy lie in the dictatorship of the majority. Government by its very nature is authoritarian. Unfettered it becomes the Leviathan that destroys that which it was designed to protect. Our goal now and always should be for a minimal government tethered by the Bill of Rights.

Also......
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the country of the "freest democracy," the Jew exerts an almost unlimited dictatorship indirectly through public opinion
-Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf
Again, I disagree.

I'm not even implying anything about where you are. I'm just giving a little context.
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby evgeny » Wed 16 Mar 2011, 21:25:30

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi dismissed his Western partners in an exclusive interview to RT, saying he will give all the country’s oil contracts to Russia, China and India.

“We do not believe the West any longer, that is why we invite Russian, Chinese and Indian companies to invest in Libya’s oil and construction spheres” Gaddafi told RT in an exclusive interview about how he sees the current situation in Libya and the international reaction to events there.

"He condemned the Western powers, saying Germany was the only country with a chance of doing business with Libyan oil in the future. “We do not trust their firms – they took part in the conspiracy against us."

The Libyan leader also added that as far as he is concerned, the Arab League has ceased to exist since it stood up against his country.

According to Gaddafi, the recent upheavals in his country were a "minor event" planned by Al Qaeda that will soon end.

Meanwile, Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Kaim promised that Libya will honor all current oil contracts with Western oil companies, but that the ongoing crisis in the country could affect future cooperation. Due to the ongoing violence, foreign oil companies have stopped production in Libya and evacuated their personnel from the country.

Speaking about France – the only country to recognize the rebel Libyan National Council as the country’s legitimate government and to call for targeted airstrikes – Gaddafi said “his good friend" French President Nicolas Sarkozy has "gone mad and is suffering from a mental disorder.”
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 16 Mar 2011, 23:31:24

The rebels have no training, and simply firing from cover will do little against a force that has heavy weapons and experience in maneuvering. The rebels were probably unwilling to counterattack, set ambushes and probably lacked officers capable of ordering them into the breech.

Also, Kadhafi did not have a strong army, so the people probably did not know how to use guns. I believe Egypt has compulsory military service, so the rebellion was more prepared to handle weapons, and the army and protestors were not strangers to each other.
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Re: After the Revolution

Unread postby evgeny » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 12:25:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he rebels have no training, and simply firing from cover will do little against a force that has heavy weapons and experience in maneuvering. The rebels were probably unwilling to counterattack, set ambushes and probably lacked officers capable of ordering them into the breech.

Also, Kadhafi did not have a strong army, so the people probably did not know how to use guns. I believe Egypt has compulsory military service, so the rebellion was more prepared to handle weapons, and the army and protestors were not strangers to each other.


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