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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby Cog » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 08:53:59

Being a Viking is a good way to end up dead.
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 09:38:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')eing a Viking is a good way to end up dead.


Being anything is a good way to end up dead. Death is the condition upon which you are born.
As for the topic , raiding villages is not as profitable as owning them. Just offer them your wisdom as a ruler and a supreme judge in exchange of 10-20% of the harvest plus conscription.. both for military service and for "public good" labor.
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 12:08:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')has it occurred to anyone to start training classes or write a guide with tactics for and info on forming raiding parties for pillaging post-peak-oil doomsteads and transition communities?
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why not be a Viking?


Why don't you get right to that? Why don't you include a map and directions to your place while you're at it?

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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 12:13:14

Those that live by the sword, die by the sword
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 12:15:35

Why not be a Viking? Aside from the moral issue, being a raider for a living is a VERY difficult and dangerous way of life. That's why few peoples chose that way of life and why those peoples had a reputation for being fearless, ruthless fighters. The Comanche of my own region are an example. They are now extinct.

By all means, be a raider if you want your life to come to a quick, painful end.
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 12:21:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')i]Those that live by the sword, die by the sword


And many of those prefer that way to bed sores. Seriously, unite behind thy Lord so he ptotecteth you against zombie hords. For only 20% of your crop, 2-5 year conscription service for males and women, and virginity of your daughters. It doesnt get any cheaper folks. Spots ARE limited.
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 12:42:26

It all seems rather pointless, no?
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 20:12:30

The Vikings had a pretty good run. Who said they are extinct?

There are a lot of redheads in Ireland (and elsewhere) that PROVE Vikings are not extinct. (at least not genetically).

The Mongols had a pretty good run, too. I think Genghis Khan is supposed to have more descendants than anyone else. He had a new woman or two everyday (the best looking ones from each city he conquered). Sounds to me like Genghis Khan had a pretty good life (while it lasted), which is about the most you can ask for (other than dying in your sleep like an ailing pet, having tiptoed through life to arrive safely at death).

<<<Rangerone's raider advice of the day: For pesky doomsteads/transition towns that are walled up, locate the source of their water (spring or upstream) and dump some hellebore in it. They will have something worse than even Montezuma's revenge and not be able to fight well.>>>
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby pup55 » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 13:43:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are a lot of redheads in Ireland (and elsewhere) that PROVE Vikings are not extinct. (at least not genetically).


All that proves is that they were better lovers than they were fighters....
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 13:59:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are a lot of redheads in Ireland (and elsewhere) that PROVE Vikings are not extinct. (at least not genetically).


All that proves is that they were better lovers than they were fighters....



That's fine, I didn't say the Vikings are extinct. I said the Comanche are extinct.

Not sure where the Vikings are raiding these days, so if they aren't extinct their way of life seems to be...

or maybe they all moved to the Isle of Manhattan.....
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby Mesuge » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 15:30:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', ' ')... has it occurred to anyone to start training classes or write a guide with tactics for and info on forming raiding parties for pillaging post-peak-oil doomsteads and transition communities? I mean not everyone has a green thumb, but if things break down into feudalism, why not be a Viking?


What is your place of residence? Is it Maryland, NA right? So in agregate there are dozens of millions of former and present mil. personel, veterans, private contractors, airsoft junkies, surivalists, underworld martial arts experts, gun fanatics, goons, bouncers, .. we can go on and on..

Not all, but large chunk of these people have the propensity to turn the time clock back/forward to some neo/proto-feudalistic order in very short order. Increasingly, these people hate the gov., hate the system, hate the people around them, and perhaps hate themselves. The same applies for many places in Europe and elsewhere. I don't think you or they need some special handbook on raiding ecovillages though.

If they get their chance they will be the force to perform the swift societal transformation, in latter stages many will fall-off their newly acquired positions, as new generations of smart-asses and profiteers climb up on the ladder of societal control. Rinse and repeat.
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Re: Economic Recovery? 43,000,000 On Food Stamps

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 19:49:59

I for one am planning on drills when the kids are older (old enough to use paintball guns) and practice Blue Squad/Red Squad tactics where one group defends and the other group tries to conduct a raid.

I'm also working towards inputting the property and house into a 3D mapping game program so that I can test it against AI in various games, like Battlefield 2 and Modern Warfare 2. Will help clarify vulnerabilities and best fields of fire based on the terrain.
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Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.6M

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 16:42:44

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Bernanke's Poverty Effect: Foodstamp Recipients Jump by 400K In November, Hit New Record Of 43.6 Million

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')uch has been said about Bernanke's wealth effect and how it impacts a whopping 1% of the US population (traditionally, those very same bail out recipients who would be insolvent had Gen Ben not rescued the entire financial system at the expense of the DXY, which at last check was below 77 again). Unfortunately, a little less time has been spent discussing the equal and opposite effect: that of the poverty effect. Luckily, every month we get an update on this just as useful metric. And as of November, the SNAP program had 43.6 million participants, an increase of 400k from October, and a 14% increase, or 5.3 million from a year prior. We are confident that this 15% of the US population will be delighted to know that their rapidly diminishing dollars will end up acquiring increasingly less and less stuff.

The chart above says it all.
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Re: Food stamp usage sets another record, jumps 14% from 201

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 16:54:01

this needs to be in oily"s 'recovery' thread,
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Re: Food stamp usage sets another record, jumps 14% from 201

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 17:10:46

Um, color me an idiot, but I don't see the specific short term connection to Bernanke here.

I DO understand that in the LONG run, that real inflation hurts the poor (e.g. the people anti-inflation policies like minimum wages PURPORT to be helping) the most - despite all claims and intents to the contrary.

But in the short run we don't have much inflation. Oh.......I think I see now.

Is the issue that despite the core rate being low, that in the real world since basic commodities like food and energy are increasing wildly (and of course aren't included in the core CPI :roll:) - that the poor are getting crushed in this supposedly benign inflation environment?

If that's it, then never mind.

Though, i will point out, at places like I shop (i.e. Walmart and Kroger) that sell staples like soup and canned veggies -- I'm not seeing much inflation at ALL of basics on the shelves. I expect a (relatively) fully functioning economy, assuming it arrives in a few years or so WILL drive such prices up, and perhaps intensely. But it doesn't seem to be happening YET at the FOOD and basic products SUBSISTENCE level. Yes, I know gasoline is going up, but if public transport is available and your family requires foodstamps, shouldn't one take the bus?
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Food stamp usage sets another record, jumps 14% from 201

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 19:02:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'T')hough, i will point out, at places like I shop (i.e. Walmart and Kroger) that sell staples like soup and canned veggies -- I'm not seeing much inflation at ALL of basics on the shelves.


When the Fed injects trillions into the world economy, that money has to go somewhere Outcast. A lot, maybe most, goes offshore -- hot American money fuels infrastructure and industrial growth everywhere from China to Brazil. And then with the bailouts, AIG sent checks all over the world, to Societe General in France and to the Swiss and Norwegians and all over. That money has to go somewhere.

The end result of all the money printing and investor bailouts is that money winds up not just in equities but also commodities. This is what fuels speculator runs on oil, cocoa, wheat, on and on. Plus we have a genuine food shortage world wide.. so add hot money speculation to shortage and that adds up to rising prices.

Grocery stores have been reducing package sizes for a few years now -- you haven't noticed? That's stealth inflation. Now that game is mostly played out and they're starting to raise prices. You haven't really noticed yet because the base commodity costs still haven't quite "hit the consumer."

But the price hikes are there. 10% here, 15% there.. I've posted about it before.
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Re: Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 19:16:00

Another triumph for Obama's inept economic policies. Who elected this bozo anyway?

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Re: Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 19:26:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')nother triumph for Obama's inept economic policies. Who elected this bozo anyway?


I did. :( Along with a lot of other people. But hey, on the bright side thank God Palin didn't get her claws on power. So really Plant there wasn't a choice for most folks. It's either Republican, or Republican Lite.

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Re: Food stamp usage sets another record, jumps 14% from 201

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 19:30:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')hen the Fed injects trillions into the world economy, that money has to go somewhere Outcast. A lot, maybe most, goes offshore -- hot American money fuels infrastructure and industrial growth everywhere from China to Brazil. ... You haven't really noticed yet because the base commodity costs still haven't quite "hit the consumer."But the price hikes are there. 10% here, 15% there.. I've posted about it before.

Good summary, SixStrings.

I would also add that if the "official" inflation rate were to increase measurably, the Fed would be forced to raise interest rates. However, with a Natl debt of $14.1T, an increase in interest rates would be catastrophic. Rising interest rates would also decimate the housing market. Therefore, the US govt has every incentive -- as a matter of life and death -- to artificially keep the inflation rate as low as humanly possible. They absolutely will fudge the data to avoid the appearance of inflation. They have no choice.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')rocery stores have been reducing package sizes for a few years now -- you haven't noticed? That's stealth inflation. Now that game is mostly played out and they're starting to raise prices.


This really, really pisses me off.

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Re: Food stamp usage sets new record, jumping 14% YoY to 43.

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 19:42:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he end result of all the money printing and investor bailouts is that money winds up not just in equities but also commodities. This is what fuels speculator runs on oil, cocoa, wheat, on and on.


As ZH notes, cotton futures surged 17% in just ONE MONTH; and virtually every agricultural product has soared in the first month of 2011: corn spot up 7.76%, wheat up 5.63%, Rice up 10.08%, Hogs up 10.16%, Sugar up 5.64%, Orange Juice up 3.33%, and cotton.... up 17.08%. That's in one month!

Much of this will translate into higher costs for essential food and clothing.
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