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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 19:57:30

Someone enlighten me as to the difference between the Left and the Right.

Lets see, the Right bombs Iraq and Afghanistan. The Left continues this. (and before bombed Yugoslavia--but that was to promote "peace" so it is OK, LOL).

The Right believes in small government and to quote Reagan "getting the government of the backs of the people". But huge defense and expansion of government power in Homeland Security and Patriot Act. Great, the Right got the government off our backs and up our crotches instead.

The Right believes in "Free Market" but Bush approved TARP bailouts and the Repubs approve of their farm subsidies and no-bid Haliburton contracts.

Obama and the Left swore openness and transparency. So much of that we've gotten. NOT!

The paraphrase George Orwell, "the difference between the Left and the Right is the difference between cats**t and dogs**t".

Those of you who aggravate and or participate in the pointless bickering between left and right only support the agenda of the elites in this country who want to rule the middle class and poor by divide and conquer. Ditto on those who vote and thus grant the appearance of legitimacy to that which is illegitimate.

Well done, people! Aren't you proud? Take a bow!
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 20:03:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'L')ets see, the Right bombs Iraq and Afghanistan


Didn't you just wax philosophical about the benefits of opening up "zombie school" to raid doomsteads post-peak, and here you're some kind of pacifist? WTF?
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 20:06:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'L')ets see, the Right bombs Iraq and Afghanistan


Didn't you just wax philosophical about the benefits of opening up "zombie school" to raid doomsteads post-peak, and here you're some kind of pacifist? WTF?

At least if I was a zombie raider, I'd actually get something out of it. If we're going to invade countries, we could at least cart of their women and gold like in the old days. Otherwise, its a waste of money.

I'm not a passive. Read where I would have snapped that shooter's neck after he shot that 9-yr old girl.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 20:24:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', ' ') Read where I would have snapped that shooter's neck after he shot that 9-yr old girl.



"I would have snapped that shooter's neck" is kind of embarrassing to see someone post.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 20:27:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts a shame Loughner only got knocked to the ground by that ex-marine. If I was there after seeing that 9-yr old girl get shot, you probably would have heard a snap (his neck breaking) and saving taxpayers an expensive trial.


Then again, you could have had yer ass capped by this mad man.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 20:39:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', ' ') Read where I would have snapped that shooter's neck after he shot that 9-yr old girl.

"I would have snapped that shooter's neck" is kind of embarrassing to see someone post.

I would have beaten him to death with my Titanium Ballsack of Destruction.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 21:54:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts a shame Loughner only got knocked to the ground by that ex-marine. If I was there after seeing that 9-yr old girl get shot, you probably would have heard a snap (his neck breaking) and saving taxpayers an expensive trial.


Then again, you could have had yer ass capped by this mad man.

I'd rather die trying, then die on my knees or cowering waiting to get shot. Kudoz to the exmarine who tackled him, though I think I would have at least punched him about 20 times in the kidneys etc once I had him tackled.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 22:00:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')If we're going to invade countries, we could at least cart of their women and gold like in the old days. Otherwise, its a waste of money.


So if we just ransacked the world like Conan the Barbarian you'd be singing government's praises? For a minute there I thought you were trying to make a moral argument that we should make nicey nicey with the world, join hands and sing "I'd like to buy the world a coke". I see it's just about ROI.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')I'm not a passive. Read where I would have snapped that shooter's neck after he shot that 9-yr old girl.


Why does every proposed solution seem to lead to calls for violence with you? Did it ever occur to you that violence breeds violence? Did you ever think maybe all that permaculture stuff you claim to be into might not endorse these attitudes?

This whole "just nuke em from orbit" attitude is juvenile machismo. If it's an attempt to shock or be humorous, it ain't workin'. If it's actual advice to doomers or a political platform, it's pretty morally bankrupt.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 02:35:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'O')h by the way, the same left that pleaded "don't blame the muslims" immediately after the Ft Hood killing as the guy screams 'Allah Akbar" while shooting people. Gotta love the hypocrisy.

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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 05:03:57

This is what I have to say about the upswell of anger in this country, which is in some degree on display in this thread.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 07:40:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')If we're going to invade countries, we could at least cart of their women and gold like in the old days. Otherwise, its a waste of money.


So if we just ransacked the world like Conan the Barbarian you'd be singing government's praises? For a minute there I thought you were trying to make a moral argument that we should make nicey nicey with the world, join hands and sing "I'd like to buy the world a coke". I see it's just about ROI.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')I'm not a passive. Read where I would have snapped that shooter's neck after he shot that 9-yr old girl.


Why does every proposed solution seem to lead to calls for violence with you? Did it ever occur to you that violence breeds violence? Did you ever think maybe all that permaculture stuff you claim to be into might not endorse these attitudes?

This whole "just nuke em from orbit" attitude is juvenile machismo. If it's an attempt to shock or be humorous, it ain't workin'. If it's actual advice to doomers or a political platform, it's pretty morally bankrupt.

Having witnessed a lot of innocent people being killed, I would have no problem snapping the neck of the guilty person who did it. There is a difference between killing the innocent and killing a person who kills innocents.

Violence begets violence? How about "evil triumphs when good people do nothing"? I don't believe in negotiating with evil, or warehousing evil in jail cells. Witness "peace in our time" at Munich and the Yalta agreement with Stalin for negotiating with evil. Warehousing evil takes place a lot.

All that permaculture stuff is pretty pointless if you don't have the firepower, training, and the will to defend it with. Go watch "Seven Samurai" for example of untrained peasants.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby Fishman » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 07:51:36

The lib media starts their pullback today. NPR starts their story with some of our initial data was wrong as we find out more, no more comments this morning about rhetoric in the story I heard.
Mos, cultural anger didn't have anything to do with this guy, he was just insane, he
had a thing against this congresswoman for over three years, long before the tea party, long before health care (perhaps if the congress had listened to their constituents there would have been less anger).
Oh and keith, don't blame the insane, guys, guys with insane stares, druggies, readers of books, guys with pictures of bad hair, 22 year olds, etc but blame the tea party that the guy had nothing to do with ?
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 08:27:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '[')url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CVtJIT_z-A]This is what I have to say about the upswell of anger in this country[/url], which is in some degree on display in this thread.

Good choice of a video about hate & anger & violence, although you left of the two best parts: (after Luke throws away his lightsaber (how smart was that?) to be a pacifist, the Emperor shoots lighting out of his hands, and where Vader tosses the Emperor down a 500-mile shaft, but that wasn't violent, LOL)
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby Mesuge » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 08:39:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', ' ')Lets see, the Right bombs Iraq and Afghanistan. The Left continues this. (and before bombed Yugoslavia--but that was to promote "peace" so it is OK, LOL).


After few years, as the dust settled, the record is clear. Regional powers like Germany supported factions early on in the brake-up of former Yugoslavia, partly because of the deep hate, these people dared to mount successfull resistance to nazis during WWII, and later established somewhat global powers independent entity during the cold-war.

For the U.S., it was great opportunity to deflect public opinion from domestic scandals of the 1990s, but the major driver was to kick down Serbs as the traditional russian allies in Europe, and utlimately it was a great opportunity to set up a permanent base in the form of greater Albania, as drug smuggling and rendition flights hub placed inside Europe, serving the deep politics agencies of the US empire, most of drugs from Afghanistan goes through these airports. Now, we learned, it's confirmed US helped cover for Albania's leaders human organ smuggling ring..

Every time, I got the chance by happenstance to meet or bump up on the street to a local politician active in that era, I spit in their face, and briefly remind them about their sins, they are in 99% deeply ashamed, and know they worked for the evil. As result there is no other escalation or violence on the spot, the public at large hates these bastardly clowns as well.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 08:44:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', ' ')Lets see, the Right bombs Iraq and Afghanistan. The Left continues this. (and before bombed Yugoslavia--but that was to promote "peace" so it is OK, LOL).


After few years, as the dust settled, the record is clear. Regional powers like Germany supported factions early on in the brake-up of former Yugoslavia, partly because of the deep hate, these people dared to mount successfull resistance to nazis during WWII, and later established somewhat global powers independent entity during the cold-war.

For the U.S., it was great opportunity to deflect public opinion from domestic scandals of the 1990s, but the major driver was to kick down Serbs as the traditional russian allies in Europe, and utlimately it was a great opportunity to set up a permanent base in the form of greater Albania, as drug smuggling and rendition flights hub placed inside Europe, serving the deep politics agencies of the US empire, most of drugs from Afghanistan goes through these airports. Now, we learned, it's confirmed US helped cover for Albania's leaders human organ smuggling ring..

Every time, I got the chance by happenstance to meet or bump up to a local politician active in that era on the street, I spit in their face, and briefly remind them about their sins, they are in 99% deeply ashmed, and know they worked for the evil.

Wag the dog I figured as much, as also smacking down a long-time Russian ally. Didn't think of the rest like the rendition although that makes sense.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:03:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')Good choice of a video about hate & anger & violence, although you left of the two best parts: (after Luke throws away his lightsaber (how smart was that?) to be a pacifist, the Emperor shoots lighting out of his hands, and where Vader tosses the Emperor down a 500-mile shaft, but that wasn't violent, LOL)


What it does show, which you apparently miss, is the concept of REDEMPTION to match the initial point about the value of mercy. I'm not really talking about this guy in particular. He was a nutcase that needed to be neutralized in some form or another to stop what he was doing. I'm talking about the idea of solving every problem through maximum force (to borrow a Dirty Harry movie title) which is a pattern I keep seeing crop up in your writing. Sometimes it seems tongue in cheek, but only barely. You know, off-hand remarks about how we should nuke China to preempt resource wars. You know, Doctor Evil type stuff. If it weren't so absurd I'd have called you on it more often, but I think it's this discussion brewing lately (due to the shooting) about the level of angry discourse in america that should cause everyone to slow down and look at themselves, kind of like how Luke looks at his hand and realizes that he risks becoming the very evil that he's trying to destroy. Change happens gradually until you've really become a different person. As they say, an unexamined life is not worth living. Yet the internet encourages people to scoff and throw up defenses anytime there is a whiff of criticism, and it doesn't help matters when the mods are striking all this stuff down as an ad hom. This is the very thread where this introspection is appropriate.

When I was a kid, good and evil was very clear-cut, but now we're living in a cynical era bordering on nihilism and it actually takes a valiant effort to hold onto any sense of right and wrong. It's far too easy to throw your hands up and adopt the law of the jungle and race to the bottom. That's not how I want to to go. If we're doomed, the least we can do is hold onto a shred of personal integrity.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:45:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')If we're doomed, the least we can do is hold onto a shred of personal integrity.


That's what I'd like to see more of here at po.com.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 12:32:04

Sarah Palin has surfaced to provide the inevitable vomit-in-your-mouth moment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12174254

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;Especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn,"


Really Sarah? You want to claim that there is a liberal conspiracy to promote violence? because a blood libel is the most vile of conspiracies - the slander that Jews kidnap Christian babies and drink their blood. Sort of like how liberals and the evil Afrian tribesman are conspiring to use "death panels" to kill grandma. In fact, Palin is the Queen of Blood Libels in America.

Let's be really really clear - that a blood libel is an utterly vile and insane racist conspiracy theory, and Palin is claiming...what? Claiming a racist conspiracy theory directed at her? Palin is deep in the White Supremacist weeds on this one.
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 13:16:29

Blood libel also has a generic meaning of wrongly blaming someone for a killing. Thats just what the dems were doing.

Here's a common sense idea that dems might consider....maybe the killing spree in Tucson should be blamed on the psycho killer hippie pothead who did it. :idea:
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Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot in Head

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 13:40:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'B')lood libel also has a generic meaning of wrongly blaming someone for a killing. Thats just what the dems were doing.

Here's a common sense idea that dems might consider....maybe the killing spree in Tucson should be blamed on the psycho killer hippie pothead who did it. :idea:

Oh God, here we go with the redefining "Nazism" and "Fascism" thing again. Yes and "Holocaust" has other meanings also, and if Palin had said the press was trying to trigger a "holocuast" of violence it would have been just as stupid to the point of being crazy.

Whenever wingnuts paint themselves into a corner they start redefining words. Give it a f'ing rest already.
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