[Mesuge]

"Jared Lee Loughner's YouTube Site Reveals Clues About The Killer, Lists Mein Kampf And Communist Manifesto Among Favorite Books "

Jared Lee Loughner, wtf? Who picks these guys up? Isn't this playbook too old these days. Next time, we learn about troubled childhood, mental condition, and couple of child-mollesting institutions he went through. What a prefab material again..

On another note, isn't it interesting that the Rumsfelds, Cheneys, Idi Amins, Bushes of the world and what have you always end up their lives in their 80/90s with golden spoon and surrounded by close family circle and medical staffers inside large posh estate. Where is your karma blowback theory now? Should we be satisfied with the claim, e.g. Bushes are so stupid they won't ever grasp the joy of fine poetry? There is no karma, you have been taken for a ride again.

Don't know her politics or personalites, but she "almost" died like a dog in the streets..

Yes, expect some knobs tightening in short oder.

[deMolay]

Looks like Congresswoman Gifford of Arizona was gunned down by a Leftwing Liberal drugger today. http://mobile.twitter.com/caitieparker# ... 1883682816 more on Drudge Reort...

[deMolay]

His favourite books were Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared-lee ... 164&page=2

[PrestonSturges]

His biggest complaints are that we need to go back to the gold standard and that nothing is "constitutional" and his other favorite books include "We The Living" (Ayn Rand).

That's 3 for 3 in the loony "libertarian" column.

Also notice the right continues to rush in to say "Hey he's not one of ours." It's not "Hey we never incite violence" because that would be too silly, of course they incite violence. Instead they are stuck with always trying to disown violent nut cases as not really one of theirs.

[deMolay]

Wrong Preston, you own him, nowhere in any articles does it even mention Ayn Rand. He is a leftwing liberal drugger, who was also a conspiracy theorist and was entralled by the 2012 Mayan stories...

[deMolay]

From Link: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')about 1 hour ago
caitieparker This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me.
about 3 hours ago
caitieparker @antderosa it's loughner just checked my year book.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
about 4 hours ago in reply to lakarune
caitieparker @noboa more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
about 4 hours ago in reply to noboa
caitieparker @antderosa he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
about 4 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
about 4 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
about 4 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
about 4 hours ago in reply to antderosa

[Sixstrings]

Ok this is not going to be a popular opinion..

But I think we have too many guns in the US. I forget the number, but don't we have more guns than people? Folks in every other first world nation look at us and shake their head over our gun obsessed culture. But yeah I know, folks on this forum think they're right and the rest of the civilized world are all wrong -- guns, guns, guns, we Americans can't ever get enough guns can we?

The bottom line is that if you have 350 million guns in a society of 350 million people, the mathematical certainty is that you are going to have a lot of gun deaths. It's just that simple. This is the price we pay for having so many damn guns in this society.

EDIT: what I would find interesting is a chart or something comparing gun deaths in the US to Canada, Australia, the UK, and Europe. I'm sure we're off the charts compared to them. We need to start asking why, there's obviously something screwy in this country and if other societies can get by without so many gun deaths then that means it's possible for us too.

This tragedy in Arizona is in the news now, but on the numbers a lot of folks die just trying to clean their guns, and lots of kids die when they get a hold of one and play with it, and then their are the domestic disputes where people grab that gun in the heat of the moment. So many situations where it would just have been better if the gun weren't there in the first place.

[deMolay]

From Link: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')aughner's Myspace page features a picture of a handgun on a U.S. history textbook. A senior military official told ABC News Loughner attempted to join the Army but "never made it past the urinalysis."

In another video posted on YouTube, Loughner uses repetitive, convoluted logic when defining terrorism.

"If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorist. Thus, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon," the video, entitled "Introduction: Jared Loughner," says. "If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem. You call me a terrorist. Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem."

In the same video, Loughner accuses the government of mind control.

"In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar. No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver! No! I won't trust in God!" it says.



This photo obtained from the 2006 Mountain View High School yearbook shows Jared L. Loughner.

In the YouTube profile, the account holder, identified as Loughner, lists "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" among his favorite books.

[Ludi]

Yep, some liberals are mentally ill. Just like some conservatives are mentally ill.

<<<mentally ill progressive

[Revi]

This guy thought that he could change things by killing a bunch of innocent people. There are so many right wing nut jobs out there who feel it's okay to target people like this congresswoman. Palin put a target on her and this guy carried it out. I think there are a lot of loonies out there, including this guy obviously. The Rush Limbaughs of the world get them all agitated and things like this happen.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'W')rong Preston, you own him, nowhere in any articles does it even mention Ayn Rand. He is a leftwing liberal drugger, who was also a conspiracy theorist and was entralled by the 2012 Mayan stories...

[Sixstrings]

I don't care what the guy's ideologies are, this is still all the conservatives fault.

First, because we're a right wing country we have all these guns in the first place and they're readily available to anyone. In inner cities, it's easier to find a gun than an apple.

Second, we're dog-eat-dog "screw you I got mine" capitalists. Intense social pressures on the lower classes are the result.

Third, the right has prevented this country from having universal healthcare like every other civilized nation in the world.

Now add all that up together.. of course this guy was mentally ill. He most likely did not have good private health insurance. There most likely are very little public mental health services in Arizona (isn't that the state that's even stopped their organ transplant assistance program?). So all this adds up to a sick person, cast out from a society that doesn't give a damn, with guns available all over the place. It's a recipe for tragedy.

(I'm not excusing what he did, I'm just saying the main problem is that we're an urban nation with rural 19th century social policy and that just doesn't work)

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')his guy thought that he could change things by killing a bunch of innocent people. There are so many right wing nut jobs out there who feel it's okay to target people like this congresswoman. Palin put a target on her and this guy carried it out. I think there are a lot of loonies out there, including this guy obviously. The Rush Limbaughs of the world get them all agitated and things like this happen.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Yes this kid was clearly a paranoid schizophrenic, who of course in AZ has no trouble getting a Glock and legally carrying it concealed.

[PrestonSturges]

Google ( Obama "mind control" ) and you will find Alex Jones and lots of stories about the Illuminauti and the New World Order.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ow would you prove someone is mentally fit to carry a gun?

[deMolay]

He was a leftwing liberal doper, who had mental issues, like what else is new.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'H')e was a leftwing liberal doper, who had mental issues, like what else is new.

[deMolay]

Preston, ABC news not me said he was a doper who failed his pee test and was rejected by the military. His school friends who spent a lot of time with him, said he was very LIBERAL and LEFTWING and smoked a lot of dope. ABC NEWS reported that in his own words on his MYSPACE account his 2 favourite books was the NATIONAL SOCIALIST DOCTRINE Mein Kampf and the COMMUNIST MANIFESTO. So to say that he was a Leftwing Liberal Doper is an accurate statement.

[Revi]

He was definitely a nutcase. I saw his Youtube rambling manifesto and it was pretty twisted. Hard to understand what he was saying. He had serious problems, that's for sure. He may have started out left wing, but he did a lot of things that don't fit with the left leaning.