[mos6507]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. When's the wikileaks of wikileaks gonna come around?

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hat's good for the goose is good for the gander. When's the wikileaks of wikileaks gonna come around?

[dissident]

Since some alpha emitter isotope murder of Assange can no longer be staged thanks to recent remarks my Putin and Medvedev, the gears have now been shifted into outright smear. Criticism apparently only applies to others and not the self-anointed saints in Washington and elsewhere. And it's criticism by their own tripe and not Assange's opinion pieces. If ever there was evidence for the diseased state of western civilization this is it. Everything and anything is now a pretext for fascism. I am quite sure that Wikileaks will be an excuse for a crackdown on the internet to control "precious" content and stop "unauthorized" information release. Soon every post you make here and elsewhere will have your personal information stamped on it by laws coercing ISPs to track and store personal activity.

[mattduke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. Air Force has blocked access for computers on its network to The New York Times, the Guardian, and at least 23 other websites carrying WikiLeaks documents, a spokesman said on Tuesday.

[IslandCrow]

What is the right continuation to the quote:

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall......"

a) share the s**t out of you.
b) keep you in chains
c) make you free

[IslandCrow]

If you want to get your teeth into the legal aspects try: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/R41404.pdf

Thisis was a secret report on "Criminal Prohibitions on the Publication of Classified Defense Information" produced by the Congressional Research Service.

The summary includes (bold added):
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he recent online publication of classified defense documents and diplomatic cables by the organization WikiLeaks and subsequent reporting by the New York Times and other news media have focused attention on whether such publication violates U.S. criminal law. The Attorney General has reportedly stated that the Justice Department and Department of Defense are investigating the circumstances to determine whether any prosecutions will be undertaken in connection with the disclosure.

This report identifies some criminal statutes that may apply, but notes that these have been used
almost exclusively to prosecute individuals with access to classified information (and a
corresponding obligation to protect it) who make it available to foreign agents, or to foreign
agents who obtain classified information unlawfully while present in the United States. Leaks of
classified information to the press have only rarely been punished as crimes, and we are aware of
no case in which a publisher of information obtained through unauthorized disclosure by a
government employee has been prosecuted for publishing it. There may be First Amendment
implications that would make such a prosecution difficult, not to mention political ramifications
based on concerns about government censorship. To the extent that the investigation implicates
any foreign nationals whose conduct occurred entirely overseas, any resulting prosecution may
carry foreign policy implications related to the exercise of extraterritorial jurisdiction and whether
suspected persons may be extradited to the United States under applicable treaty provisions.

[Keith_McClary]

WikiLeaks cables: BP suffered blowout on Azerbaijan gas platform
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')triking resemblances between BP's Gulf of Mexico disaster and a little-reported giant gas leak in Azerbaijan experienced by the UK firm 18 months beforehand have emerged from leaked US embassy cables.

The cables reveal that some of BP's partners in the gas field were upset that the company was so secretive about the incident that it even allegedly withheld information from them. They also say that BP was lucky that it was able to evacuate its 212 workers safely after the incident, which resulted in two fields being shut and output being cut by at least 500,000 barrels a day with production disrupted for months.
...
WikiLeaks also released cables claiming that:

• American energy firm Chevron was in discussions with Tehran about developing an Iraq-Iran cross-border oilfield, despite US sanctions against Iran..

[Cid_Yama]

He's holding back the best stuff as protection. I hope they really try to frak him so he releases it.

[Crazy_Dad]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'H')e's holding back the best stuff as protection. I hope they really try to frak him so he releases it.

[Crazy_Dad]

http://www.theage.com.au/world/more-to- ... 190ri.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')IKILEAKS founder Julian Assange, now under ''mansion arrest'' at a stately home in the British countryside, says his time in a south London jail has only made him more determined to continue his secret-spilling work.

''It has not altered my position; in fact, it has confirmed my position to me personally that we are on the right path. It has given me enough anger about the situation to last me 100 years.''

His strong rhetoric came just moments before he entered the plush Ellingham Hall after being granted conditional bail at the High Court in London on Thursday.
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Assange is fighting extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations made by two women but said his main fear was being handed over to US authorities.

The 39-year-old Australian has become a hate figure in Washington over his website's release of thousands of secret US diplomatic cables containing embarrassing revelations.

''I do not have too many fears about being extradited to Sweden,'' he said.

''I have much bigger concerns about being extradited to the United States.

''We had a rumour today from my lawyer in the United States that there has been an indictment made against me in the United States. I have not had that confirmed.''

Looking tired after being locked up for 23½ hours a day at Wandsworth Prison for the past week and a half, he said the US administration's attempts to bring down him and his website were out of line.

''I think it is clear it is not a path that is acceptable to the world community,'' he said. ''Certainly not acceptable to the people of Australia or the people of Great Britain and to a large degree, not acceptable to the people of Sweden as well, although the administrators are a different matter.''

After being shut off from the world in jail, Assange was informed he had a ''good internet connection'' to work with at the 10-bedroom residence owned by independent journalism campaigner and supporter Vaughan Smith.

''We have seen in my week away my team is robust and we continue to publish in a successful manner … that is not to underestimate the risks associated to all of us,'' Assange said.

While at the mansion, he must observe a curfew and be tagged.

He will have to report daily to a police station, and £200,000 ($A315,000) in security, raised by his supporters, has been paid into the court.

Earlier Mr Justice Ouseley of the High Court warned Assange that he was almost certain to be extradited to Sweden to face sex assault allegations.

The court refused an attempt by the Crown Prosecution Service to stop Assange being freed but imposed tougher bail conditions than previously outlined by a lower court.

His release was delayed for four hours because of confusion over the payment of sureties as a who's who of freedom of speech campaigners - including Nobel prize winners, British peers, former ministers, journalist Phillip Knightley and millionaire publisher Felix Dennis - visited police stations and magistrates courts to pay their cash but encountered officers ignorant of procedure.

There is a growing consensus among US constitutional lawyers and other legal experts that Assange will be indicted by Washington.

After his release he said that even if he were indicted in the US, the spilling of state secrets would continue.

[Keith_McClary]

WikiLeaks cables: Sudanese president 'stashed $9bn in UK banks'
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome of the funds may be held by the part-nationalised Lloyds Banking Group, according to prosecutor
...
US officials regard European human rights standards as an "irritant"
...
In a remarkable series of exchanges, the cables also reveal how Sudan's mineral wealth had a direct bearing on the ICC proceedings against Bashir, as China balked at action against him that could harm its interests in the oil industry.
...
France ultimately supported Bashir's indictment, but the cables suggest this was deliberately calculated to protect their oil interests. The French told the Americans they believed that firm action on Darfur was the only way to protect oil interests.

[mattduke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ank of America Corp. said Friday evening that it was joining other financial institutions in declining to process payments intended for WikiLeaks.

"Bank of America joins in the actions previously announced by MasterCard, PayPal, Visa Europe and others and will not process transactions of any type that we have reason to believe are intended for WikiLeaks," the bank said in a statement.

"This decision is based upon our reasonable belief that WikiLeaks may be engaged in activities that are, among other things, inconsistent with our internal policies for processing payments."

[mattduke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Pentagon has banned journalists with the popular defense daily Stars and Stripes from consulting leaked diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks, prompting charges of censorship.
"The editorial independence of Stars and Stripes and its readers' right to news free of censorship are being threatened by an overly broad and misdirected response to the Wikileaks debacle," the daily wrote.
"Amazingly, the government wants to bar this newspaper's journalists -- along with most federal workers -- from reading information already plastered all over the public square."

[Keith_McClary]

Editorial

Why not "Voice of America" and "Radio Free Europe".

[Keith_McClary]

Amazon's stated reason for dumping them was also BS - they sell plenty of books including leaked material.

This is how things work in Stalinist/Fascist systems. Dissidents may not be charged with any crime, but they can't get a job or bank account or travel, etc. If they are charged it is trumped up smear charges or thought crimes like "enemy of the people".

[mattduke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ice-President Joe Biden called WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange a "high-tech terrorist" on Sunday, in an appearance onNBC's "Meet The Press."

[Rod_Cloutier]

I've scanned through the wikileaks threads and there is nothing of substance that I, or anyone else who reads this message boards regularly didn't already know about.

What is really scary is that wikileaks, in releasing all these secret documents, tells us what the governments of the world spend their time thinking about; VS what we all know they should be thinking about:

A) Their NOT thinking about peak oil in any real sense other than trying to divy up the Canadian oil sands.

B) Their NOT doing any serious planning for climate change mitigation, or any large scale disaster responce.

C) Their NOT taking the collapse of banking and the financial system seriously- they all expect a recovery.

D) There is no long term planning being done on ANY serious issue. They are simply doing 'knee jerk' reactions to the crisis of 'du jour'.

E) They are all completely unprepared for the seismic cultural shifts about to take human civilization by force.

What they're NOT thinking about is the most important part of this whole wikileaks disclosure, and its scary!

[Quinny]

I thought that as well. Which bodes well for my confidence in cock-up v conspiracy



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'I')'ve scanned through the wikileaks threads and there is nothing of substance that I, or anyone else who reads this message boards regularly didn't already know about.

What is really scary is that wikileaks, in releasing all these secret documents, tells us what the governments of the world spend their time thinking about; VS what we all know they should be thinking about:

A) Their NOT thinking about peak oil in any real sense other than trying to divy up the Canadian oil sands.

B) Their NOT doing any serious planning for climate change mitigation, or any large scale disaster responce.

C) Their NOT taking the collapse of banking and the financial system seriously- they all expect a recovery.

D) There is no long term planning being done on ANY serious issue. They are simply doing 'knee jerk' reactions to the crisis of 'du jour'.

E) They are all completely unprepared for the seismic cultural shifts about to take human civilization by force.

What they're NOT thinking about is the most important part of this whole wikileaks disclosure, and its scary!

[gollum]

The lack of thinking on the part of the Obama administration has been a terrible disappointment. I suspect the current 4 year term of the president was really the last opportunity to have some sort of managed collapse, after 2012 I think the down hill slope will be a lot sharper as oil production falls farther and farther behind demand.