by PrestonSturges » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 11:44:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'B')aby steps, baby steps...
First we leave the hateful signs at home.
We learn how to peacefully assemble and reinforce what we strongly believe in.
Then we learn how to find common ground and see people outside our group as
also being citizens of a shared and beloved nation.
Then, we learn how to have dialogue, relations, and pursue everything we can agree
on, realizing it is easier to find one bone of contention and quit almost every minute.
I met these guys who were interviewing people at the rally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfgWhen asked why they are there, nobody really has a coherent answer, although a lot of them say things about being some sort of free thinkers, because nothing says free thinker like saying exactly the same thing as people that look exactly like you and get all their information from exactly the same place.
Glenn is making it clear that "real Americans" are a very narrow slice of the population. But they want all the power based on religious litmus tests, and how that would operate without ethnic cleansing and bloodshed I don't know.
While attacking "liberation theology," Beck is pitching
liberation theology just for whites. Conservatives are embracing a cult of victimization (what they accuse liberals of) with ever greater levels of moral relativism when most of Becks applause lines were a celebration of political moral relativism (what they accuse liberals of), and their personal moral relativism makes everything OK as long as their leaders aren't smoking meth on national tv.
Clearly these people mostly church goers, and they go to
all-white churches. The big applause lines about inclusiveness were sure ironic in an audience of 90,000 people with maybe a dozen blacks. And of course, this was supposedly all a tribute to MLK, who called for a "new age of social justice," while Glenn said "social justice" is a Marxist conspiracy. And Beck read the line about the "huddled masses" to the cheers of an overwhelmingly anti-immigration crowd. And of course there was much whooping about "religious freedom" from people that want the government to referee where mosques (but presumably not churches) can be built. They have a televised rally on government land to claim their right of free speech is trampled. They take their Social Security while demanding it be eliminated for the next generation. They say government needs to stay out of health care while using their Medicare benefits. They have a 20 year "culture war" fueled by wedge issues, then they claim everyone else is "divisive."
But we are supposed to have "dialogue" with these people that just randomly string words together? How can there be agreement with people that are unable to make any
sense? What solution can we agree on when they are unable to identify their own grievances? All they're doing is arguing both sides of the issues depending on what they see will give them the advantage from one second to the next. Most of us have had the experience of a family member or in-law that makes us physically ill to be around - they trigger headaches, nausea, insomnia, anxiety, and fear with their
damned-if-you-damned-if-you-don't arguing style and everyone else in the family has just ruined
ruined everything and they are the only virtuous ones and the fact that you caught them pawing through grandma's purse does not prove that they were the one that stole $200 out of it. Yeah, those guys.
It would be tempting to just say they are crazy for embracing these obvious contradictions. But they are
nationalists rather than patriots. These nationalists want a country that kicks ass all over the planet 100% of the time as if politics were the WWF, like "Idiocracy" where the President is a wrestler. And while they makes huge show of cheering for patriotic "American values," it's very clear within the group that this is just a cover. They hate America for its weakness, and they see their opponents as effete eggheads, infants in adult bodies unable to feed themselves without their wise churchgoing neighbors propping up their decadent civilization. They hate America so much that they sit around fantasizing about secession, rebellion, and an apocalyptic collapse of bloody purification that will leave them and their all white friends on the top of the heap of nonbelievers bodies. And yes those guys were there handing pamphlets about the coming "final conflict." When you start getting into the RJ Rushdoony crowd and the "seven mountains" crowd, you are talking about people with a
violent hatred of America who use religious freedom to protect what is basically just a violent fascist sedition movement.
There were a lot of skeptics in the crowd. One guy I talked to expressed 95% agreement with Beck, except that Beck and his fans "know nothing" about economics.