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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby efarmer » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 16:43:53

I.E. Ludi, international finance and banking follows a pattern to find the best combination of investment and safe harbor possible to protect and build financial assets and no conspiracy attached,
is doing it's primary job. My point is that taking their contributions is preventing our government from pursuing the self interest of their constituency, and perhaps no conspiracy here either, we may just believe that we are too big to fail and are acting like it. I have formed the opinion that corporate influence in our government runs at odds to them being capable of best serving their own constituents. If our government is stymied and wealth concentrates and invests outward then to me that is one clue, if the government works toward the long term health of the nation and investment flows inward then that is another.

Since you are curious today, I though you might have your own opinion.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby Ludi » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 16:58:32

No, I don't think there is any "conspiracy" attached to the money class continuing to accumulate more money.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby Vogelzang » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 18:16:54

I work for the Republicans. We will win!
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby Ludi » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 18:30:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vogelzang', 'I') work for the Republicans. We will win!



Win what?
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby efarmer » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 18:50:21

A centerfold from Mad magazine with freckles and a checkered shirt.
The body is covered but the brain is stark naked and has been airbrushed to hide pock marks.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby Denny » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 22:04:20

Well, I understand the need to restore Homer. He has been sick for a while. He needs money and he needs cheez doodles.

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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 22:09:40

I'm trying to figure out who those people were. I can't confirm that ANY of the 90,000 people in the crowd were black Beck fans. I saw 20 people all day, mostly way in the back, and the only ones I talked to were there for the freak show, not to support Beck. Given that most black people probably got interviewed, there may not have been even ONE black person there for Beck. Not counting the ones that were paid.

Out of 90,000.

How is that even possible?
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby hillsidedigger » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 22:17:28

Glenn Beck is a wussie of the worst kind.

When the truth about him emerges, all people will run from him.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 23:36:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', 'G')lenn Beck is a wussie of the worst kind.

When the truth about him emerges, all people will run from him.

Why, what else is there. I appreciate that the guy has overcome a mountain of personal, mental, and addiction problems. But who in their right mind would take advice from someone like that? It's like taking advice from Andy Dick, or making Wesley Snipes your financial advisor.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 01:06:36

Here's a curious bit of news-----Federal employees working at the Dept. of Education in DC were told by their boss, the Secretary of Education, to go to the Al Sharpton Rally.

federal employees told by Obama appointee boss to go to Sharpton rally

I guess that explains why anyone at all bothered to turn out to hear the fatuous gasbag Al Sharpton rant for an hour---their bosses in the Obama administration told them to go!!

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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby Pops » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 09:49:27

From comments at Kunstlers blog:

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross".
-- Sinclair Lewis

It's a pretty good blog rant too...
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby Ibon » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 10:10:14

What is this? That any of you, whatever your political persuasion, would waste your time dumbing yourselves down to debate or discuss this topic is a sign that WE ARE PRETTY DAMN BORED AREN"T WE????
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby gollum » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 10:55:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')nd the "diverse crowd" included about 20 black people (0.02%) all of whom got interviewed by reporters, so we know that they aren't 20 Beck heads, mostly just people who came to see what's up.

So you had Beck telling an all white crowd they aren't racists. I heard a white guy complaining to a reporter that he feels it's not fair he can't freely say nigger.......



I wonder, is the annual NAACP convention composed of racists also? I see very few whites there when it makes the news. Were the civil rights marchers in the 60s racists? Really your comments sound quite racist when I look at them. Just to be clear I'm no Beck fan either, and while at one time I may have supported the tea party I am disappointed at it's being coopted by the republican establishment.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby efarmer » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 11:08:36

Baby steps, baby steps...

First we leave the hateful signs at home.
We learn how to peacefully assemble and reinforce what we strongly believe in.
Then we learn how to find common ground and see people outside our group as
also being citizens of a shared and beloved nation.
Then, we learn how to have dialogue, relations, and pursue everything we can agree
on, realizing it is easier to find one bone of contention and quit almost every minute.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby PrestonSturges » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 11:15:17

I think we need to discsuss if we want the oil companies controlling religion in America.

They already exert significant influence on foreign policy, defense policy, economic policy, and obviously energy. Because the Tea party depend on money from the Koch brothers (oil and chemical industry) we see the Tea Party say things like "Abolish the EPA."

Now we are seeing the oil companies make a religious power grab.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby PrestonSturges » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 11:44:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'B')aby steps, baby steps...

First we leave the hateful signs at home.
We learn how to peacefully assemble and reinforce what we strongly believe in.
Then we learn how to find common ground and see people outside our group as
also being citizens of a shared and beloved nation.
Then, we learn how to have dialogue, relations, and pursue everything we can agree
on, realizing it is easier to find one bone of contention and quit almost every minute.

I met these guys who were interviewing people at the rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg

When asked why they are there, nobody really has a coherent answer, although a lot of them say things about being some sort of free thinkers, because nothing says free thinker like saying exactly the same thing as people that look exactly like you and get all their information from exactly the same place.

Glenn is making it clear that "real Americans" are a very narrow slice of the population. But they want all the power based on religious litmus tests, and how that would operate without ethnic cleansing and bloodshed I don't know.

While attacking "liberation theology," Beck is pitching liberation theology just for whites. Conservatives are embracing a cult of victimization (what they accuse liberals of) with ever greater levels of moral relativism when most of Becks applause lines were a celebration of political moral relativism (what they accuse liberals of), and their personal moral relativism makes everything OK as long as their leaders aren't smoking meth on national tv.

Clearly these people mostly church goers, and they go to all-white churches. The big applause lines about inclusiveness were sure ironic in an audience of 90,000 people with maybe a dozen blacks. And of course, this was supposedly all a tribute to MLK, who called for a "new age of social justice," while Glenn said "social justice" is a Marxist conspiracy. And Beck read the line about the "huddled masses" to the cheers of an overwhelmingly anti-immigration crowd. And of course there was much whooping about "religious freedom" from people that want the government to referee where mosques (but presumably not churches) can be built. They have a televised rally on government land to claim their right of free speech is trampled. They take their Social Security while demanding it be eliminated for the next generation. They say government needs to stay out of health care while using their Medicare benefits. They have a 20 year "culture war" fueled by wedge issues, then they claim everyone else is "divisive."

But we are supposed to have "dialogue" with these people that just randomly string words together? How can there be agreement with people that are unable to make any sense? What solution can we agree on when they are unable to identify their own grievances? All they're doing is arguing both sides of the issues depending on what they see will give them the advantage from one second to the next. Most of us have had the experience of a family member or in-law that makes us physically ill to be around - they trigger headaches, nausea, insomnia, anxiety, and fear with their damned-if-you-damned-if-you-don't arguing style and everyone else in the family has just ruined ruined everything and they are the only virtuous ones and the fact that you caught them pawing through grandma's purse does not prove that they were the one that stole $200 out of it. Yeah, those guys.

It would be tempting to just say they are crazy for embracing these obvious contradictions. But they are nationalists rather than patriots. These nationalists want a country that kicks ass all over the planet 100% of the time as if politics were the WWF, like "Idiocracy" where the President is a wrestler. And while they makes huge show of cheering for patriotic "American values," it's very clear within the group that this is just a cover. They hate America for its weakness, and they see their opponents as effete eggheads, infants in adult bodies unable to feed themselves without their wise churchgoing neighbors propping up their decadent civilization. They hate America so much that they sit around fantasizing about secession, rebellion, and an apocalyptic collapse of bloody purification that will leave them and their all white friends on the top of the heap of nonbelievers bodies. And yes those guys were there handing pamphlets about the coming "final conflict." When you start getting into the RJ Rushdoony crowd and the "seven mountains" crowd, you are talking about people with a violent hatred of America who use religious freedom to protect what is basically just a violent fascist sedition movement.

There were a lot of skeptics in the crowd. One guy I talked to expressed 95% agreement with Beck, except that Beck and his fans "know nothing" about economics.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby efarmer » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 12:00:39

There are no laws against direct corporate influence in religions. They just have to keep the tax status to the good. I know many Christians who feel the spoiling of the planet is a sin and whom would not exactly be moved to fervor with oil money. But then again, they don't have a big lavish church or a bunch of bling, they get together in small groups and pray. They pray a lot lately for everyone including themselves. This includes Muslims and Jews and Mexicans and divided Americans who could use a kind word and a spirit of forgiveness and fellowship with each other very badly right now.

To paraphrase Jesus said it is not what goes into your mouth that defiles a person, it is what comes out.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby gollum » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 12:43:06

It's a little off the subject, but it's a shame we don't have rigorous separation of corporation and state the way we do church and state. I consider the banksters a hell of a lot more threatening to the future of my country than I do the Mormons, Jews,Muslims, Baptists or whatever.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Postby PrestonSturges » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 13:02:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'I')t's a little off the subject, but it's a shame we don't have rigorous separation of corporation and state the way we do church and state. I consider the banksters a hell of a lot more threatening to the future of my country than I do the Mormons, Jews,Muslims, Baptists or whatever.
I think that's very relevant to the topic.
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