[threadbear]

Dr. Bernard Haisch:

During my career I have had the responsibility and privilege as an editor of accepting or rejecting somewhere in the neighborhood of a thousand articles in a prestigious astrophysics journal. This does not conclusively prove, but certainly indicates, that I recognize good science when I see it.

I have learned quite a bit about the UFO phenomenon over the years (certainly more than I had bargained for) and have met many of the leading figures, some credible, some deluded. When Prof. Peter Sturrock, a prominent Stanford University plasma physicist, conducted a survey of the membership of the American Astronomical Society in the 1970s, he made an interesting finding: astronomers who spent time reading up on the UFO phenomenon developed more interest in it. If there were nothing to it, you would expect the opposite: lack of credible evidence would cause interest to wane. But the fact of the matter is, there does exist a vast amount of high quality, albeit enigmatic, data. UFO sightings are not limited to farmers in backward rural areas. There are astronomers and pilots and NASA engineers -- and others who have been around the block a few times when it comes to observing natural phenomena -- who have witnessed events for which there is no plausible conventional explanation.

http://www.ufoskeptic.org/

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'P')oor Lighthouse, doomed to take the red pill at some later date, suppository style.

[KhanCEO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '
')Right, that video changed your understanding of the world. Yes, I see. I bet you still believe in Santa Claus.

[NEOPO]

I see the main mental road block issue and I want to address it now please.

Alien technology that could/would aleviate the ramifications of peak oil.

I for one am not looking at ufo's/aliens as our peak oil saviors.
If PO is a scam then its a very elaborate scam that TPTB can pull off regardless so I fully expect it to occur.
If there is some technology that could solve our oil/energy problems then I seriously doubt TPTB would bring it out until every control they ever wanted was in place, every last human that could be convinced to die for resources was dead etc etc....so it will be just like Peak oil but with alien technology for the rich and the military maybe

It changes my overall outlook very little really.

Maybe that is why some peakers need to look away when they start talking energy and why I can stare at it unflinching.

The whole thing seems to really bother lighthouse
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Thread bear - if 10% of all of this is true its mind blowing and world changing stuff.

Funny how people come around to the idea that we are not alone then they may realize just how arrogant it was to ever believe such nonsense and then.....some people....realize that if we are not alone then its arrogant to believe that there is only one other race just like it was arrogant to believe that we are not alone

Wonder how many deny aliens/ufo's yet still believe the bible etc etc?

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KhanCEO', 'S')o really is wearing a tinfoil hat crazy? No.

[KhanCEO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KhanCEO', 'S')o really is wearing a tinfoil hat crazy? No.

[AgentR]

There are no aliens in Sol system.
There is no FTL drive, and never will be.

If aliens did magically wander through Sol, they'd take one look; line up a big axx asteroid on an earth crossing orbit, and try very hard to forget we ever existed.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')The whole thing seems to really bother lighthouse

[Zardoz]

The vast distances between the stars preclude travel between them, unless the fabric of space itself can somehow be "folded" or something.

That's doubtful, so I'll cite Carl Sagan's take on it: There are certainly many advanced civilizations in our galaxy, but it is almost equally as certain that no intelligent life form ever finds another intelligent life form, ever, because of the distances that separate them.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissimulo', 'T')he video is about "exposing the existence of extraterrestrials".

[KhanCEO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KhanCEO', 'T')he military declassifies technology, they are the ones who will let you know what they can do. You will never know what they can really do. It is a matter of "National Security". There is a firm belief in the upper parts of government that if someone talks ...

[Lighthouse]

huh? I think I lost you.

Btw, Iran and North Korea were examples for any of the 193 countries on this planet or do you think the USA has a UFO sighting and wreck collecting monopoly ...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KhanCEO', 'I') see a video of former military officers saying they have seen UFOs, then another guy claiming there are more than 400 other people just like them in the military. I have to wonder maybe he is telling the true. Which means my belief in what I already knew is being challenged.

[Falconoffury]

An interesting trend I've noticed is that the people who have done little to no research on the subject of UFOs and aliens have a strong tendency to think that they don't exist.

I have been researching the subject of UFOs and aliens visiting Earth for several years, and I think more than one alien civilization has visited Earth within the past 100 years. I have found a few distinct differences in several UFO designs and descriptions of the aliens encountered.

I challenge the laws of thermodynamics with the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle. If we can't be certain of the movement and location of particles, we can't be certain that the laws of thermodynamics are even true.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'A')n interesting trend I've noticed is that the people who have done little to no research on the subject of UFOs and aliens have a strong tendency to think that they don't exist.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')here are no aliens in Sol system.
There is no FTL drive, and never will be.

If aliens did magically wander through Sol, they'd take one look; line up a big axx asteroid on an earth crossing orbit, and try very hard to forget we ever existed.

[Falconoffury]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat you just said is like saying that, just because you can never know whether flipping a coin will result in heads or tails, you can't say anything about the result of flipping thousands of coins.

[PolestaR]

One of the clearest videos showing UFOs which seem.. "intelligent" came from NASA. If these videos haven't been altered then surely.. it is interesting to say the least. Even with all the evidence for aliens (and there is a lot...) I'm still not convinced in the same fashion that say I am about peakoil. Mainly because we have no idea about what they want.. what they can do.. and how. We're also relying on eyewitnesses or grainy video... or unexplained phenomenon etc.

Check it out.. the moving NASA "space ice" objects
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... dent&hl=en
OR grab it here if that fails
http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/22310 ... Video_Clip

[Aaron]

No aliens...

No Zero Point Energy...

No Tesla Generators...

Tough room... bet you guys are no fun at Christmas.



Some of those witnesses were clearly wack-faced.

But some of them seemed like grizzly old ex-military types with some pretty credible claims.

I dunno... but I want my own memory messer upper thingy.