[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'P')rofitable to whom? South Africa is a failed state.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'P')rofitable to whom? South Africa is a failed state.

[Tyler_JC]

Why does powering an airplane need to make sense with regards to EROEI? I'm not trying to produce energy, I'm trying to move a plane.

The value of each unit of energy is NOT equal. Society values a unit of electricity far more than that same amount of energy in the form of coal. There's a reason for this, we have more uses for electricity than we do coal.

Jet fuel is a very valuable product. The goal of a jet fuel producer (and any producer for that matter) is to take resources, convert them into a product, and sell them for more than the cost of the inputs.

If a unit of natural gas sells for a dollar, a unit of electricity sells for a dollar, and a unit of jet fuel sells for $2, it makes perfect sense to convert gas and electricity into jet fuel, even if you lose half of your energy in the process.

Producing gasoline from crude oil has a very poor EROEI but we do it anyway because gasoline is more useful than crude oil.

If we can convert abundant natural gas into less abundant jet fuel, it will make sense to do so.

Would we have had more energy if we had used the natural gas for something else? Maybe.

Does anyone care? Almost no one.

Again, the goal of society is not to maximize energy production. It is to produce desirable goods and services. Energy is just one of several important inputs to consider when decided whether or not to produce a product.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')ou are correct Tyler. However there is an unspoken assumption (at worst an intentional deception) that this GTL jet fuel is a specific new technology. It is not as Tanada pointed and indeed GTL is a failed general technology.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'Y')ou are correct. I was going for a more well-known acronym in the title. Perhaps I shouldn't have.

[Gerben]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'G')TL is a failed general technology.

[Gerben]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'a')s for GTL. nothing new.

[Ronald21]

I will read time to time that...

[Tanada]

Ever notice how once Shale Gas was proven to be profitable LNG just disappeared from thread postings? I think existing facilities will continue to be used, after all a lot of money was invested building them. On the other hand I don't think many more will be built for quite some time, why add capacity to import by ship what you can drill for in many places closer to home?

[GoghGoner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'E')ver notice how once Shale Gas was proven to be profitable LNG just disappeared from thread postings? I think existing facilities will continue to be used, after all a lot of money was invested building them. On the other hand I don't think many more will be built for quite some time, why add capacity to import by ship what you can drill for in many places closer to home?

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'E')ver notice how once Shale Gas was proven to be profitable LNG just disappeared from thread postings? I think existing facilities will continue to be used, after all a lot of money was invested building them. On the other hand I don't think many more will be built for quite some time, why add capacity to import by ship what you can drill for in many places closer to home?

[vampyregirl]

Shell has commissioned the very first Floating Liquified Natural Gas facility. This ship will eliminate the need for installing hundreds of kilometres of pipeline and building jettys and onshore LNG plants.
When the ship is completed it will have decks measuring 488 by 74 metres and fully loaded will weigh 600k tonnes, about six times the size of an aircraft carrier. Despite its massive size its only a quarter the size of an onshore LNG plant.
It will be moored in the Prelude field, 200 kilometres off the coast of Australia, which has trillions of cubic feet of liquid rich gas.
All LPG and LNG production will be done onboard the ship. It will offload onto smaller ships for delivery to world markets.
The FLNG is expected to produce at least 5.3 mtpa of liquids and 3.6 mtpa of LNG.
Its another technological innovation from Shell who revolutionized deep sea drilling in the Parque das Campas field off Brazil and in Perdido Bay in the Gulf of Mexico.

[geezer]

beautiful. this will help keep ng and propane at commodity level pricing.

[Keith_McClary]

I went looking for a picture on Google Images. There's lot's of 'em - most seem to be computer generated images.

[Loki]

I am firmly confident that nothing can possibly go wrong with this plan. BP has proven once and for all that transnational oil corporations can be trusted to act in a responsible manner on the open water.

[papa moose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', 'I') went looking for a picture on Google Images. There's lot's of 'em - most seem to be computer generated images.

[vampyregirl]

Shell is doing something similair albeit on a smaller scale. The FLNG will be the first of its kind, but in the Parque das Conchas off Brazil, Shell had to overcome technological challenges and one innovation is using a converted tanker as a floating production storage and offloading vessel. It can store nearly 1.5 million barrels of crude and is connected to the seabed equipment in each of the reservoirs over a 270 square kilometre area by steel umbilical cords.
Shell is using similair technology in Perdido Bay. So you see innovation leads to more innovation.