[PenultimateManStanding]

1. They are reverse-engineering alien spacecraft at Area 51

2. ETs are flying around and grabbing people and pulling them up in tractor beams and probing their asses

3. Big Foot

4. Loch Ness Monster

5. Technical Remote Viewing is a 'science' you can study and learn to discover things happening in distant places and times using only your concentration

6. You can make tape recordings in which ghosts will be heard

7. The human race was bioengineered as slaves by the Anunaki

8. Russian scientists stuck a microphone down in a deep hole in the ground and recorded screams and wails coming out of Hell

There are many strange things in the world. This universe may be only one of countless universes. The events of 9-11 are indeterminate (to me). But these things are definately on the 'nope, I don't buy it' list.

[RonMN]

I understand the rest...but why not the "possibility" of bigfoot & nessy?

If they exist, it's just the simple fact that science has never cataloged them...i'm sure at one point, most people didn't believe in a giant octopus or giant squid until a few washed up on a beach somewhere.

Hell, i'm sure there was a time where even a whale was considered to be a "seamonster".

[Zentric]

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')2. ETs are flying around and grabbing people and pulling them up in tractor beams and probing their asses

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But these things are definately on the 'nope, I don't buy it' list.

[PenultimateManStanding]

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')2. ETs are flying around and grabbing people and pulling them up in tractor beams and probing their asses

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But these things are definately on the 'nope, I don't buy it' list.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'I') understand the rest...but why not the "possibility" of bigfoot & nessy?

If they exist, it's just the simple fact that science has never cataloged them...i'm sure at one point, most people didn't believe in a giant octopus or giant squid until a few washed up on a beach somewhere.

Hell, i'm sure there was a time where even a whale was considered to be a "seamonster".

[I_Like_Plants]

What about those "little humans" they discovered that died out maybe 200 years ago? You believe in hobbits? Elves? Menehune? That's as much a discovery as Bigfoot, if Bigfoot is ever verified, because both are side-branches of humanity.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Menehune, cool! I'd never heard of them and read up. Little people in Hawaii. They are afraid of owls so when they act up, the gods send the owls after them to chase them back into the forests. And then Ireland. "He's only after me Lucky Charms!" Radio jokester, Phil Hendrie, did a bit once about a tiny professional golfer named Bob Swain. Ah the stories: once he climbed into a lady's purse at a bar and when she got home he ravished her.

[I_Like_Plants]

Man do I miss Phil Hendrie!! You can't listen to him in the Bay Area, too much humor I guess.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Yay, Plants! I've mentioned Hendrie a few times but nobody said anything. That guy is a comedy genius! I can't get him anymore in San Diego either. Is he still syndicated nationally? If others here have heard of Hendrie, it would be fun to talk about him. For those of you who don't know anything about Hendrie, here's his schtick: he has made up a whole cast of characters that he does the voices of himself and pretends to have them on as 'guests' to his 'radio talk show'. These 'guests' then say outrageous things and the real callers then call in to react not knowing that the 'guest' is really fake. One time he did the voice of an elderly black woman whose nephew was killed in a drive-by shooting. They mistakenly took the body to a Catholic Church instead of the Baptist one the old lady goes to. She was afraid they were going to eat her nephew. A real priest called in to reassure her they weren't going to eat the nephew. The priest explained that the wafer was the body of Christ when she started wailing and crying 'Oh my gawd, their knackin' on my boy. Oh gawd, its all you can eat negro!'

[MicroHydro]

Nessie is definitely ruled out. The lake is geologically very young, created in the current interglacial period. Also, Loch Ness is simply not biologically productive enough to support a reproductive population of any sort of large animal.

Bigfoot was possible (giantopithecus was real in Asia), but increasingly unlikely with each passing year. Alleged bigfoot hair samples were non-primate (bear, cow) and not even a trace of non-human primate DNA has been recovered from scat. If there ever was a large primate living in the Pacific Northwest, it has probably been extict for a long time.

As for the WTC towers, anyone who understands high school physics knows they were imploded. If the energy required to pulverize the concrete and create the cloud of dust and chips had come from gravitational collapse, the collapse would have taken at least 12 seconds, not the 10 second freefall caught on camera. (Think of a muscleman smashing a concrete block on the floor with a sledgehammer versus just swinging at the floor. In both cases, the hammer meets the floor. But, the hammer smashing the concrete block will be slowed down, and take longer to hit the floor underneath the block.)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')onsider also that apologists for the official conspiracy theory propose that 30% of the gravitational collapse energy was necessary to create the pyroclastic cloud of debris: that is, in their own analysis, this energy came out of the gravitational energy. This means that the time of fall would have been slowed further than what was observed. When a body of mass m falls from a height h, acted upon by gravitational acceleration g, it converts its potential energy PE = m x g x h into kinetic energy KE = (1/2) x m x (v exp2). Here h = (1/2) x g x (t exp2), t = time of fall, and v =g x t, where v = velocity. Removal of 30% of the PE to pulverize concrete essentially reduces the amount of energy available from falling, effectively reducing the gravitational acceleration to something less than g.

Substituting, in the above equations we have (1.0 - 0.3) x PE = 0.7 x PE = m x g' x h, where PE, m and h are as before and g' = the effective gravitational acceleration. Hence, comparing terms for PE, g' = 0.7 g. The time of collapse under g' will also increase. If we let the effective collapse time be t', then comparing terms for constant h, (1/2) x g x (t exp2) = (1/2) x g' x (t' exp2) =
(1/2) x 0.7g x (t' exp2). Hence, (t exp2) = 0.7 x (t' exp2), or (t/t') = SQRT (0.7) = 0.837. Or, t' = 1.195 t.

Now the observed time t = 10 seconds (a free fall time, the fastest possible time under g = 9.8 m/sec/sec = 32 ft/sec/sec = 32 ft/s exp2). For the cloud debris creation to absorb 30% of the gravitational energy, the observed time of fall would be 10s x 1.195, or almost 12 seconds. This long a collapse time was observed by no one. Clearly, there are serious flaws in the official explanation/conspiracy theory.

[k_semler]

Been listening to Coast to Coast AM a little bit too much?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'B')een listening to Coast to Coast AM a little bit too much?

[PenultimateManStanding]

I used to listen to Coast to Coast AM nightly back in the 90's before I got a computer to while away my time. I was listening to Art Bell on the infamous night when he had the 'remote viewer' Ed Dames on who said that there was a Mother Ship behind the Hale-Bopp Comet. That show caused a lot of grief to Bell and Dames because Marshall Applewhite was up late that night too. He and his Heaven's Gate cult here in SD County later went on to commit mass suicide so they could go join the ETs.

[SidneyTawl]

None of those on my "believe list" either PMS


How bout adding some more controversial things to your list, like:

Was there life on mars

Is there still some form of life on mars

From Rover photos and satellite photos do you see perhapsl evidence of intelligent construction and/or tools. and would like to see high rez photos instead of the low rez they give out.

Is the face real and was designed as a face

Is it really an illusion of a face made by buldings/structures that may have collapased.

NASA could have easily answered all the above questions but refuses to do so,.. and prefers they remain a mystery to keep such thoughts out of the mind of the populace. By not verifying or by not releasing information that could answer those question. This means NASA could be actually conspiring to keep these things vague to the general populace.

NASA's equipment takes extremely hi rez photos but all that is released out side of NASA are Low rez photos on such missions as the ones to mars.

NASA has no problem delivering "painted" pictures of the universe from Hubble etc.

NASA delivers low rez photos to the public of such places an IAPETUS, JUPITOR , MARS< SATURN, etc of distances closer than 1000 mile (pulled out of the air)

NASA has been caught delivering doctored data to the public.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Well I can't add the things you mentioned to my list because I can't rule any of them out. And when I speak against Hoagland, it isn't because of the face on Mars issue, its because of the Hyper dimensional sacred geometry stuff which I don't believe. I find him to be an interesting guest when he is on the Coast to Coast show. It was by digging into the articles at enterprisemission.com that I ran into the other stuff and thought that it was too weird for me. With regards to the Mars face, my guess is that its a fluke that makes it look like a face and that NASA simply regards the whole thing as infra dig to comment on let alone devote any precious mission time to looking into. I am not a dogmatic individual and that's just my best guess.

[threadbear]

Chemtrails that make people throw up en masse--nope

ghosts captured on tape--nope

playing speech backward on tape and coming up with anything significant--!tishlluB

much of remote viewing?-nope. Some of it?--maybe. Ed Dames? nah.

face on Mars?--Pile of rocks

LIfe on Mars?--yeah

intelligent life on Mars?--Could be. Face on Mars bunk serves useful purpose of surrounding the issue with a bodyguard of goofballs, like Richard Hoagland. Intelligent people tend to lose interest-- Don't blame them.

Penultimate--How about Fruedian dream theory? Tishllub, tishllub, tishllub.

[PenultimateManStanding]

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playing speech backward on tape and coming up with anything significant--!tishlluB

Penultimate--How about Fruedian dream theory? Tishllub, tishllub, tishllub.

[SidneyTawl]

Pms,

I have heard of reverse speech, I didn't know the theory its based on though. I have heard some of the stuff the guy did that started it I think.

So you think it has legs huh. I'm not sure,

However I can't recall what your postion is on GW and the 911 thing etc. but if you think RevSpeech could be a reality and a tool for judging character.

And I wish I had links to send you too, I have heard and read the results of what GW has had to say in reverse speech from his speeches and I think a couple from the debates.

I can't recall exactly, but I think it was along the lines of.

Kill them all,

bring down the buildings,

death for the oil,

He does say things in reverse speech in "that vein". Its been over six months since I heard them.

Pretty weird stuff as you say.

and the reverse speech I;ve heard from bush and chen are way beyond what clinton said.

Thinking about titties is normal in my book.

Thinking about the things I hear there reverse speech is not the same sorta thing at all.

fyi

[threadbear]

Penultimate--I just read the text of your post into a tape recorder and played it backward. You appear to be begging someone named Zardoz for the probe.Then something that sounds like "quick, quick, more more". Towards the end of the spoken text I heard, "Squirrels are the pope's oven-mitts"

There seems to be garbled instructions for making Jiffy pancakes too. Hmm.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'P')enultimate--I just read the text of your post into a tape recorder and played it backward. You appear to be begging someone named Zardoz for the probe.Then something that sounds like "quick, quick, more more". Towards the end of the spoken text I heard, "Squirrels are the pope's oven-mitts"

There seems to be garbled instructions for making Jiffy pancakes too. Hmm.