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by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 03:20:20

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However I can't recall what your postion is on GW and the 911 thing etc. but if you think RevSpeech could be a reality and a tool for judging character.

what clinton said.

Thinking about titties is normal in my book.

by **Doly** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 06:20:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'P')laying speech backwards on tape and revealing embedded reverse-speech is for real as far as I'm concerned.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 08:41:30

You have to hear the tapes to realize there's more to this than projection.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 12:57:19

http://www.reversespeech.com/events04.htm

Here is a page with audio examples to check out. I like the example where Rumsfeld is talking about costs of defending against terrorists. Played backwards he says, 'have to stop making a mess of this'. Many of you will get a kick out of the one where Bush is talking about defending the Civilized World in Iraq, backwards he says 'this is the oil'. Check these examples out and you may be convinced as I am.

by **sklump** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 13:52:52

No way. This is a post-hoc analysis. People say so much stuff that ultimately, some backwards text will be recognizable.

Just guessing here, but I bet in Spanish, with only 5 vowel sounds and a much tighter semantic -> phenome mapping [i.e., you can say a lot of nonsense single syllables in English, but hardly any in Spanish], practically every other phrase would interpret backwards.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 14:25:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sklump', 'N')o way. This is a post-hoc analysis. People say so much stuff that ultimately, some backwards text will be recognizable.

by **sklump** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 14:43:20

Yes, words pop out infrequently among a long trail of nonsense. If there were anything to it, I content they'd pop out more frequently. Also, it helps when someone tells you what they're saying in advance: this also works with the Headline Trick.

Headline Trick:

Give a newspaper you haven't read to a friend and have him find a headline. Have him go to the other end of the room and expose the headline. Friend slowly walks toward you until you can just about, but not quite, make out the headline. Then the friend tells you the headline without moving.

Not only can you then make out the headline, you'll wonder how there could ever have been any doubt.

by **killJOY** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 15:06:39

I don't believe in...

...anything.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/beliefs.htm

Belief is a mental trap. There are some things that I hold to be the case, such as Peak Oil, evolution, blue skies, because they can be observed, tested, measured. They're falsifiable claims and leave themselves open to refutation.

Other things rely solely on "belief" (that is, holding something to be the case without recourse to evidence), such as the resurrection of god-men in the ancient Middle East, an "unconscious" mind that harbors incestuous secrets, and little green men with anal probes....

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 15:23:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sklump', 'Y')es, words pop out infrequently among a long trail of nonsense. If there were anything to it, I content they'd pop out more frequently. Also, it helps when someone tells you what they're saying in advance: this also works with the Headline Trick.

by **Bobbotov** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 16:56:05

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Belief is a mental trap.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 17:05:52

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Belief is a mental trap.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 17:33:40

This is definately an age to be skeptical of ideas and the mantra 'no beliefs' is a very tempting one. If it is to be more than just a glib nihilistic pose, however, one should look more carefully at it. For instance, KillJoy has told us that he took up learning how to play the old time fiddle. Behind such an endeavor lies a belief that effort and practice will result in acquiring a new skill. An idea based on experience. Most people who post here in this forum have given some credence to the notion that there will be problems in our future energy supplies. An idea based on rational extrapolation of other ideas which we have given credence to. The list goes on and on of ideas which we all share a belief in. The only way to be truly free of belief in anything is to be dead. And that, of course, is where all nihilism and solipsism sets its true course and destination. Why not, the argument goes, that's where we're headed, is it not? Well not so fast, I say. I'm here, so maybe this reverse speech phenomenon is real! I listen, check it out, and whoa! I'll be damned! Its true! How do you like them apples!

by **killJOY** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 17:42:02

Belief

Believe...

What does it mean?

Bush says (all the time) "I bleev....I bleev..."

If by "belief" you mean "to hold that something is the case," then, true, as you say:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')illJoy has told us that he took up learning how to play the old time fiddle. Behind such an endeavor lies a belief that effort and practice will result in acquiring a new skill.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 17:58:31

Evidence is just raw data. It requires some beliefs in a conceptual framework, which is in all likelyhood false in the absolute scheme of things, to make any sense of raw data. Like you, I don't accept much of the metaphysics or religious beliefs of the past. But the underlying message could well be an acknowledgement that we must put faith in things we cannot possibly know to be true just to live. Of that, there can't be much doubt. "Man does not live by bread alone."

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 18:24:18

(this is supposed to be a more lightheated thread!) I know now that at least one of the little people stories is true. There is a little green baby to prove it! http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/sex/61273

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 21:25:07

People are willing to give Sidney the benefit of a doubt about the exploding planet hypothesis. Of course it also ties in with some apparently far-out notions of the solar system heating up with some really scary stuff that might be happening. I'm curious to know if any of you looked into the reverse speech phenomenon. It has some very profound implications, too. For instance, if we telegraph our subconscious mind to one another by sending verbal messages that we aren't even aware of then that means that we have a whole world of communication going on all the time which is beyond our control. We send and receive information which is entirely subliminal. This is something that lots of people don't want to hear (like PO in fact!) because it means our dark sides are conveyed, indeed our very essence is on display every time we speak to others who don't actually know how they know what they know but somehow they just know it! You can run, but you can't hide! No Man Is An Island. We all know about body language, but that is something that shrewd people can control and manipulate. Not reverse speech though! Listen to those examples at the link and let it sink in and simple chit chat won't be quite the same anymore!

by **alpha480v** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 21:52:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'h')ttp://www.reversespeech.com/events04.htm

Here is a page with audio examples to check out. I like the example where Rumsfeld is talking about costs of defending against terrorists. Played backwards he says, 'have to stop making a mess of this'. Many of you will get a kick out of the one where Bush is talking about defending the Civilized World in Iraq, backwards he says 'this is the oil'. Check these examples out and you may be convinced as I am.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 22:15:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alpha480v', ' ')I don't believe in them,sorry.This almost sounds like another James Randi experiment in the gullibilty of humans.(wasn't Carlos from Aussie?).No offense intended.

by **alpha480v** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 22:33:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')James Randi exposes fraudulent claims of paranormal abilities. This is not a paranormal issue. Its about an unexpected relic of the language learning process in the first months of life. Either the tapes are fraudulent themselves of the reverse speech phenomenon is real. Pretty clear to me its the latter. Claiming 'gullibility' is just an expression of skepticism, not an argument. No offence taken. David Oates in the discoverer and he is from Australia. (I think I'll go see if any of the skeptics web sites have anything on him - if I find anything suggesting its a scam I'll post it)

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 22:43:53

OK, didn't hear about that episode involving Randi. Side issue anyway. Has Randi or any of the professional debunkers done anything on reverse speech is what I want to know. If I have clear evidence that Oates is a fraud then I'll stop getting behind the whole reverse speech thing. As it stands, the evidence supports the theory.

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