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Re: Haisai, as they say in Okinawa
by chanpuru » Sun 20 Jul 2008, 20:26:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'H')i chanpuru, welcome. I'm curious about your geography degree - what are some of the topics of study for an advanced degree in that subject?
the problem is that geography is quite broad.
first you have the two main groups. Physical Geography and Human Geography.
within them:
Physical:
Climatology, Geomorphology, Soil stuff, etc
Human:
Transportation, Regional studies, Geopolitics, etc
my areas of interest are transportation geography, and geopolitics, and perhaps some tourism geography
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Re: hi from new member in the Poconos, Pennsylvania
by plainjane6476 » Sun 20 Jul 2008, 21:48:14
Welcome from a former Poconoian:) There's a good book by Elliot Coleman called Four Season Harvest. He harvests things from unheated cold frames and poly tunnels in Maine in February.
..and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.- Gandalf
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Re: hi from new member in the Poconos, Pennsylvania
by girlscout » Sun 20 Jul 2008, 22:36:47
Thank you. I actually did look at that book awhile ago, and need to read it again. We're going to try to see what we can grow indoors (or outside!) this wnter. I would love to have a real greenhouse but might have to wait a little until the $ situation here improves. Meanwhile, I'm just doing all I can.
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Re: hi from new member in the Poconos, Pennsylvania
by plainjane6476 » Sun 20 Jul 2008, 22:59:50
As far as the $ situation- I've been selling things that run on gas/diesel/elec and investing the $ in renewables/food production, etc. The way I see it, I won't have the $ to run them soon anyway and might as well sell them while they're worth more than scrap metal.
..and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.- Gandalf
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Re: Hello from Niagara Falls, NY
by cipi604 » Sun 20 Jul 2008, 23:16:26
In Quebec we have the electricity produced from hidro, no coal no gas, and Hidroquebec is investing $2bn a year in wind and hidro.We actually produce a lot more than we consume so we export it.Regarding hidro, the capacity of the region is enormous so electricity is not a problem.
Natural gas, we had some new big discoveries in the south, and we do business with gazprom, so natural gas is not a problem.
Oil, we don't have enough oil... so we need to buy it... that's a problem. Fortunately, Alberta is also in Canada... so at least we have a small chance on getting the stuff, but not cheap.
Quebec population is 7.6 million.
Natural gas, we had some new big discoveries in the south, and we do business with gazprom, so natural gas is not a problem.
Oil, we don't have enough oil... so we need to buy it... that's a problem. Fortunately, Alberta is also in Canada... so at least we have a small chance on getting the stuff, but not cheap.
Quebec population is 7.6 million.
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Re: hi from new member in the Poconos, Pennsylvania
by Cashmere » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 00:42:35
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('plainjane6476', 'A')s far as the $ situation- I've been selling things that run on gas/diesel/elec and investing the $ in renewables/food production, etc. The way I see it, I won't have the $ to run them soon anyway and might as well sell them while they're worth more than scrap metal.
I think that this is wise, but I think timing is critical.
I have several diesel powered beasts that will be sold soon. I'm thinking that by this fall would be ideal, but next spring/summer might be doable, assuming no strike on Iran.
Question - Is it immoral of me to sell a hunk of metal to a man when I know that it will be worth only scrap in but a few years?
It's reminiscent of selling my house in a big city at the peak of the housing bubble. The housing bubble is what put me on the scent of Peak Oil.
So I'm sitting there at the closing selling my house for a ridiculous sum to a guy who did manual labor connected with building houses, and I'm thinking, "this guy is royally screwed. There's no way he makes it 3 years."
Sure enough, the house goes back on the market this year for a 100,000 nominal loss. Ouch.
I had serious qualms about selling the house. I kept thinking, "don't I have an obligation to warn this guy that he's buying at the peak of the market?"
I settled it with, "hell, the last 50 people I told we were in a housing bubble either laughed at me or yelled at me."
Massive Human Dieoff <b>must</b> occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where <b>you</b> live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Re: Hello from Niagara Falls, NY
by Cashmere » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 01:02:57
Slesh - you're an asset. Please keep posting.
I'm not sure about the NG find.
I am sure about the price of NG.
It's going off the charts, and, I reiterate, I think that we will look back in 20 years and laugh at our improvidence at having burned so much of the stuff simple to keep warm and run the big screen - --
Wait. I need a new, offensive phrase for "idiot box", because young kids won't get that reference.
Hmmm.
Come on people, help me out here - we can coin a new phrase.
Idiot box, boob tube, . . . don't work anymore.
I'm not sure about the NG find.
I am sure about the price of NG.
It's going off the charts, and, I reiterate, I think that we will look back in 20 years and laugh at our improvidence at having burned so much of the stuff simple to keep warm and run the big screen - --
Wait. I need a new, offensive phrase for "idiot box", because young kids won't get that reference.
Hmmm.
Come on people, help me out here - we can coin a new phrase.
Idiot box, boob tube, . . . don't work anymore.
Massive Human Dieoff <b>must</b> occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where <b>you</b> live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Re: Hello from Niagara Falls, NY
by slesh » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 16:01:21
You can relax a little cashmere, Bush and Chenney bought us some time with the strategy in the middle east. Everyone should realize those soldiers over there are buying us time. This is not about terrorism in the least bit. I don't disagree with what they've done, and I cannot in good conscience disagree with them on keeping it from the public and preventing a panic. Most of the American population has been dumbed down to the point of almost walking, brainwashed souls. Life has been good and many, many of them are not going to want it to end. Unfortunately you can only bare light to those who will see it.
I do believe the problem started back in the 50's and 60's when no one would listen to those who were attempting to tell the american gov't and people that a change was needed.
What truely baffles me is the response of the gov't on this crises. Electricity is the way, and they are putting up infrastructure to that effect. The scale of the project is not large enough, not nearly large enough and the rate at which they are doing it is much slower than I expected it to be.
I do believe the problem started back in the 50's and 60's when no one would listen to those who were attempting to tell the american gov't and people that a change was needed.
What truely baffles me is the response of the gov't on this crises. Electricity is the way, and they are putting up infrastructure to that effect. The scale of the project is not large enough, not nearly large enough and the rate at which they are doing it is much slower than I expected it to be.
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Re: Hello from Niagara Falls, NY
by Cashmere » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 16:08:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('slesh', 'Y')ou can relax a little cashmere,
In fact, I can't, and I'd guess I won't be able to until the day I'm done with this place.
And we disagree on Iraq.
I have this bizarre moral apprehension at invading sovereign nations to steal their resources.
Massive Human Dieoff <b>must</b> occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where <b>you</b> live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Re: Haisai, as they say in Okinawa
by coyote » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 16:10:39
Sounds quite interesting, chanpuru. Thanks and welcome.
Lord, here comes the flood
We'll say goodbye to flesh and blood
If again the seas are silent in any still alive
It'll be those who gave their island to survive...
We'll say goodbye to flesh and blood
If again the seas are silent in any still alive
It'll be those who gave their island to survive...
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Re: Hello from Niagara Falls, NY
by slesh » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 17:05:38
No one expects you to hide your feelings on resource "stealing".
But the fact remains the world is a dog eat dog place. If we fall into economic chaos due to our depence on oil without taking any action we find ourselves in a position of weakness. Trust me on this, you do not want to find yourself in that position.
If, in fact you want "the american dream" to continue you will have to learn to accept compromises from both ends of the spectrum.
The "dream" in my very humbled opinion, is the great democratic experiment. No, its not perfect and rife for corruption. But its young and like anything young has its growing pains.
Energy however, is a different sort of beast all together, the choice is clear, either we eat or be eaten. Reality sucks, but it is still Reality.
How it all came about is pretty much a moot point in any event. The reality is that its here or close to here now and without a viable plan in place for transition its going to be a terrible time for many people. I am an independent and I do not care for politics as it is today, but in the end I follow the news on decisions made becuase they do directly affect my life.
I sadly, am also one who wore the uniform at one in my life (88-92)
so I can relate to what these soldiers are going through and I thank them with all of my heart for sacrificing to buy us more time.
But the fact remains the world is a dog eat dog place. If we fall into economic chaos due to our depence on oil without taking any action we find ourselves in a position of weakness. Trust me on this, you do not want to find yourself in that position.
If, in fact you want "the american dream" to continue you will have to learn to accept compromises from both ends of the spectrum.
The "dream" in my very humbled opinion, is the great democratic experiment. No, its not perfect and rife for corruption. But its young and like anything young has its growing pains.
Energy however, is a different sort of beast all together, the choice is clear, either we eat or be eaten. Reality sucks, but it is still Reality.
How it all came about is pretty much a moot point in any event. The reality is that its here or close to here now and without a viable plan in place for transition its going to be a terrible time for many people. I am an independent and I do not care for politics as it is today, but in the end I follow the news on decisions made becuase they do directly affect my life.
I sadly, am also one who wore the uniform at one in my life (88-92)
so I can relate to what these soldiers are going through and I thank them with all of my heart for sacrificing to buy us more time.
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Re: Hello from Niagara Falls, NY
by Ferretlover » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 17:57:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'I') have this bizarre moral apprehension at invading sovereign nations to steal their resources.
That Can't be bizarre-that is exactly how I feel.
Oil, food, minerals, antique artifacts, it is All stealing and wrong, wrong, wrong!
Back on topic: It might be interesting to figure out where the electrical infrastructure is being improved, and what type of facilities are nearby.
"Open the gates of hell!" ~Morgan Freeman's character in the movie, Olympus Has Fallen.
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