[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', ' ')Let's say it's going to take 100 years for our civilization to truly crash. That's still just one lifetime!

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'B')ut I don't find even the Whimper boring. Let's say it's going to take 100 years for our civilization to truly crash. That's still just one lifetime!

[davep]

The slower crash model allows those of us who were talking about mitigation strategies five years ago to plant loads of forest gardens. And hopefully they'll have time to grow before TSHTF.

[vision-master]

I'm on the slower crash - it's called aging. lsol

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I')'m on the slower crash - it's called aging. lol

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ObiWan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', ' ')Let's say it's going to take 100 years for our civilization to truly crash. That's still just one lifetime!

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')
Yes, that's well-said.

Outside of the nuclear-war possibility, I've always been a slow-doomer, a believer in what Paul Ehrlich called "the Whimper" (as opposed to "the Bang").

But I don't find even the Whimper boring. Let's say it's going to take 100 years for our civilization to truly crash. That's still just one lifetime!

[SeaGypsy]

Heini, I have realized that a slow crash is actually of great personal benefit to me.
3 years ago I was considering all manner of piracy, canoe journeys to the last islands of civility etc.
Right now I am riding the wave of sifting investment bases under transition.
All very interesting...

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'H')eini, I have realized that a slow crash is actually of great personal benefit to me.
3 years ago I was considering all manner of piracy, canoe journeys to the last islands of civility etc.
Right now I am riding the wave of sifting investment bases under transition.
All very interesting...

[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')
Ehrlich underestimated the resilience of the earth, and of people.

However, I still believe he was right as to fact, even if he was wrong as to timing. At the center of almost all our problems is too many people drawing on too few resources, and ultimately this will prove our undoing.

[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') take it you don't consider failing aquifers, depleted fisheries, exhausted mineral resources and overstuffed planetary sinks scary? You must have a better prescription than is available to the rest of us.

[peripato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'O')r have I?

I went away from here for a couple of years. Have been participating again for about a month.

But the site seems half-dead to me now. Posts go unanswered. People aren't as active, or reactive. There's less humor, less passion. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how it seems. Could be I've become a stranger.

"You can't go home again." ---Thomas Wolfe

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'H')eini, I have realized that a slow crash is actually of great personal benefit to me.
3 years ago I was considering all manner of piracy, canoe journeys to the last islands of civility etc.
Right now I am riding the wave of sifting investment bases under transition.
All very interesting...

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'O')r have I?

I went away from here for a couple of years. Have been participating again for about a month.

But the site seems half-dead to me now. Posts go unanswered. People aren't as active, or reactive. There's less humor, less passion. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how it seems. Could be I've become a stranger.

"You can't go home again." ---Thomas Wolfe

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ObiWan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') take it you don't consider failing aquifers, depleted fisheries, exhausted mineral resources and overstuffed planetary sinks scary? You must have a better prescription than is available to the rest of us.

[SeaGypsy]

FL said something aboyut the ongoing dialogue maturing over time, resulting in a different experience here altogether than a couple of years back.

Fast crashers have indeed been left with egg on their faces, most have disappeared from here. Slow crashers have always been the more staid and studied posters here.
I guess their average ages to be mid fifties. Peak oil is not central to the economic dialogue of our time, despite being at the very heart of the reasons for our calamity.

This is a situation where just knowing about it does not necessarily help the knower. In many cases ignorance would be preferable. Yet what has happened here over the last few years is an epiphany. I believe most long timers here have come through the entire Kubler-Ross grief process and out the other side with great benefit from the knowlege of peak oil and partly from the brainstorm of po.com.

For newbies showing up here it is far from easy to grasp the depths of transitition people here have gone through, alone and together as an online community.

For these reasons it is important that new arrivals are engaged with sensitively, that we do not end up as a kind of closed shop. There is an immense amount of help available on this site for those who are ready to take the plunge. Peak Oil is the issue of our times, it's centrality is not going anywhere any time soon. Even though I am flat out busy these days I still feel to contribute something here. It would be really nice to see some more of the old posters pop back in from time to time at least.

[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')This gets my Snotty-Post-of-the-Month Award.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', ' ')I believe most long timers here have come through the entire Kubler-Ross grief process and out the other side with great benefit from the knowlege of peak oil and partly from the brainstorm of po.com.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')Yet what has happened here over the last few years is an epiphany. I believe most long timers here have come through the entire Kubler-Ross grief process.