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Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby Lokutus » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 01:56:24

World Oil Production capacity to increase up to 25% by 2015; No peak seen for decades, US Congressional Committee told
By Finfacts Team
Dec 7, 2005, 23:04

A field-by-field analysis of global oil production and development shows the world is not running out of oil in the near- or medium-term, and a large increase in the availability of unconventional oils will expand global liquid hydrocarbons capacity by as much as one-fourth in the next ten years, Cambridge Energy Research Associates (CERA), an IHS company, testified to a U.S. House of Representatives subcommittee this morning.

“We see no evidence to suggest a peak before 2020, nor do we see a transparent and technically sound analysis from another source that justifies belief in an imminent peak,” CERA Senior Consultant and Director of Global Oil and Gas Resources Robert Esser testified before a House Energy and Air Quality Subcommittee hearing on Understanding the Peak Oil Theory. “It will be a number of decades into this century before we get to an inflexion point that will herald the arrival of an ‘undulating plateau’ of global hydrocarbon production capacity,” Esser said.


http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusiness ... 4190.shtml

Well, there you have it.

You can all go home now and just chill out.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby seldom_seen » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 02:06:06

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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby Lokutus » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 02:22:35

Can someone rebutt this with something more than a cartoon graphic?
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby Colorado-Valley » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 02:23:53

Do a little research on who Cambridge actually is. It's a think tank with major ties to big oil and to the Carlyle Group, a very interesting privately held conglomerate of companies with close ties to the Bush Family.

This is not exactly an independent think tank.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby Lokutus » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 02:27:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'D')o a little research on who Cambridge actually is. It's a think tank with major ties to big oil and to the Carlyle Group, a very interesting privately held conglomerate of companies with close ties to the Bush Family.

This is not exactly an independent think tank.


Thanks. The name rang a bell but I couldn't quite place it. At first I thoght it might be Lynch's outfit.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby skateari » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 02:31:24

This is actually quite depressing. The first time our congress decides to really look into peak oil, as a real issue, and this is the kind of BS that comes out of it. Complete denile of the issue. Did this "Independent Think Tank" share any information as to where they discovered all this oil?
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby ohanian » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 02:34:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'W')orld Oil Production capacity to increase up to 25% by 2015; No peak seen for decades, US Congressional Committee told [/b]
By Finfacts Team
Dec 7, 2005, 23:04

A field-by-field analysis of global oil production and development shows the world is not running out of oil in the near- or medium-term, and a large increase in the availability of unconventional oils will expand global liquid hydrocarbons capacity by as much as one-fourth in the next ten years, Cambridge Energy Research Associates (CERA), an IHS company, testified to a U.S. House of Representatives subcommittee this morning.


Da devil is in Da details.

The devil is the word capacity. It means "The ability to do something" which in this case is "The ability to produce oil".

It did not state what "produce oil at what price point." So in theory the article is 100% correct if the price of oil is high enough. This is because a lot of the alternate source of oil is very expensive.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby skateari » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 02:37:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ohanian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'W')orld Oil Production capacity to increase up to 25% by 2015; No peak seen for decades, US Congressional Committee told [/b]
By Finfacts Team
Dec 7, 2005, 23:04

A field-by-field analysis of global oil production and development shows the world is not running out of oil in the near- or medium-term, and a large increase in the availability of unconventional oils will expand global liquid hydrocarbons capacity by as much as one-fourth in the next ten years, Cambridge Energy Research Associates (CERA), an IHS company, testified to a U.S. House of Representatives subcommittee this morning.


Da devil is in Da details.

The devil is the word capacity. It means "The ability to do something" which in this case is "The ability to produce oil".

It did not state what "produce oil at what price point." So in theory the article is 100% correct if the price of oil is high enough. This is because a lot of the alternate source of oil is very expensive.


I think that the theory behind the article is 100% Bullshit. Despite the price of oil, where are they going to find enough feilds to produce 20 m/b per day?? How are they going to do that and make up for the declines in the many oil producing countries that are in decline? Did they site any sources or give any documented proof of their findings - or is their only proof a "feild to feild analysis" that they did?

Its pathetic that such information can be provided to our government, and accepted by the population, without any scientific backing. And if they did have some scientific backing of their claims - I would love to see where they made the largest oil discoveries in the world - because at this point, the earths feilds are being pushed to the limits already.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby Lokutus » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 02:44:38

More from the same article:

CERA projects that world oil production capacity – including crude oil, condensate, natural gas liquids (NGLs), oil sands, gas-to-liquids (GTL), and other sources – has the potential to rise from 87 million barrels per day (mbd) in 2005 to as much as 108 mbd by 2015, with further growth in capacity continuing after that point.

“A detailed new audit of our own analysis and the enormous scale of reserve upgrades in existing fields, confirmed by the most extensive and complete databases on field production – the proprietary databases of IHS, of which CERA is now part – contradicts those who believe that peak oil is imminent,” Esser testified.

Between 2005 and 2010, production capacity expansion will be split between OPEC and non-OPEC countries, according to the CERA analysis; over the coming ten years, OPEC countries will produce a net gain of 12.2 mbd, almost 60% of the total expected capacity increase, with non-OPEC capacity rising 8.2 mbd. Regionally, the United States and North Sea capacity declines, while Canada, West and North Africa, Latin America, the Caspian and Middle East continue to increase. After 2010, increases in capacity will shift more to OPEC countries.


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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby Chaparral » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 02:50:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'M')ore from the same article:

CERA projects that world oil production capacity – including crude oil, condensate, natural gas liquids (NGLs), oil sands, gas-to-liquids (GTL), and other sources – has the potential to rise from 87 million barrels per day (mbd) in 2005 to as much as 108 mbd by 2015, with further growth in capacity continuing after that point.


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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby Daryl » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 06:10:25

Fire up the Hummer, honey. We're driving to Disneyworld!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby crapattack » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 06:41:30

Wahoo. I'm so relieved, whew! Between this and the December Issue of Wired, where they stated at high oil prices are actually good for us and we should be driving more, not less, I feel so much better. I was worried fornothing.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby ThunderChunky » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 06:46:32

Problem solved. Close these forums immediately, they no longer serve a purpose. /sarcasm

So did they actually present the data they used to come to these conlcusions, if would be nice if people on this board could scrutinize it.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby Barbara » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 07:24:04

Amazing!
So the war against Iraq/Iran/Syria/ is truly for WMD!
And we thought they were lying to us... :oops:
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby Aaron » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 07:36:08

doomed
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby PhilBiker » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 10:46:03

Great job guys with the large "100%" numbers. Made me chuckle. No comment on the article....

...Now back to your regularly scheduled doom and gloom filled debunking. [smilie=icon_santa.gif]
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby ashurbanipal » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 11:14:09

IIRC, the CERA analysis relied on 4 things that I would consider somewhat fishy:

1) They didn't backdate discovery, so that the discovery curve they use doesn't look as catastrophic as a backdated curve. They then extrapolate discovery from that, expecting it to rise somewhat. It's similar in effect to what the USGS did in calculating future reserves.

2) They accept at face value the increase in OPEC reserves that took place during the 80's.

3) They call for rather a large dollar investment to improve infrastructure and increase exploration.

4) And, as already pointed out, they're only talking about capacity--not actual production. Yergin said it himself:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01672.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here will be a large, unprecedented buildup of oil supply in the next few years. Between 2004 and 2010, capacity to produce oil (not actual production) could grow by 16 million barrels a day -- from 85 million barrels per day to 101 million barrels a day -- a 20 percent increase.


They rely on everything going exactly right to get there--note the secondary key phrase that capacity "could" grow--i.e. that it's possible with enough investment.

The problem of course is that their research is not really open to the public. Unless, that is, you want to pay the thousands of dollars they charge for their reports. So this is just what I gleaned from interviews, the bits they published on their website when the report first came out, etc. In other words, my skepticism should be taken with a grain of salt--they may well have genuine cause for optimism. I've never found anything to suggest that they're being insincere.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby FireJack » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 11:26:03

Whenever I see someting like this I am sure we are going to drive right into the point of no return and off the cliff. Mass starvation, violence, etc.

Mabey I really should just find a cave somewhere, make it as comfortable as possible, pack it full of supplies and wait out the initial die-off.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby gego » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 11:56:10

The political powers just want to wait until a big crisis point is reached before they scream, "Peak Oil." That way they can give Halliburton big $$$ emergency unbid contracts.

Whenever it comes to government and money, the scam is always in play.
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Re: Ding-ding-ding! Peak Oil Cancelled!

Postby MattSavinar » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 12:13:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'D')o a little research on who Cambridge actually is. It's a think tank with major ties to big oil and to the Carlyle Group, a very interesting privately held conglomerate of companies with close ties to the Bush Family.

This is not exactly an independent think tank.


CERA was saying natural gas was looking great as late as 2001. See the Hirsch report.

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