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Crude price record ($ 147.27) pt 2

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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Mon 29 Jun 2009, 23:14:08

Whaaaaa... it was at 68 earlier today now 73 [smilie=5eek.gif]
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 29 Jun 2009, 23:24:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'W')haaaaa... it was at 68 earlier today now 73 [smilie=5eek.gif]



Bloomberg is blaming the late surge on China increasing domestic prices, thereby giving wholesalers more incentive to buy oil products. However that news is not exactly a surprise.

I think in general analysts have missed the fact that oil supplies lately have dropped faster than demand, although it is debatable if that supply drop is more than necessary - or just getting back to a more conservative management of reserves to maximize output and income over the long run.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby lowem » Fri 03 Jul 2009, 11:07:53

There went $70 oil. Looking to see if there's any support left at 50-dma.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 01:16:15

Of Oil Price Shock And Market Fundamentals

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')apital expenditure (capex) in the oil and gas sector has reportedly been declining since the precipitous fall of crude oil prices from the peak of about US$147 per barrel in July 2008. Speculation has inevitably been rife about a price shock occasioned by the inability of supply facilities to meet demand requirements (due to withdrawal of the enabling investment) when the global economy begins to rebound. The International Energy Agency has projected a price crunch by the year 2012, just 3 years away.

Such concerns may be unrealistic and for three reasons:

First, there have been massive additions to the global production capacity far in excess of the projected losses. There are also equally massive capacities rapidly coming on-stream. For example, Saudi Arabia recently announced the introduction of a record 1.2 million barrels per day of light crude from the large Khurais field to the global tally.


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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 16:19:54

The writer of this article does not understand depletion nor have they perused the Wiki Oil megaprojects site. The statement that was made about "massive new capacity" and Suadi new production being a "record setting" 1.2 mbd additional shows a complete misunderstanding of decline and what the news has been on that front.

I'd take that article with a huge grain of salt. By all repsects and looking at the hard data, we are setting ourselves up for a mega spike within a few months of any real demand signals going positive once again.

That may not happen soon. if it does not it will be due to much greater issues at hand with the global economy.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 18:27:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'T')he writer of this article does not understand depletion nor have they perused the Wiki Oil megaprojects site. The statement that was made about "massive new capacity" and Suadi new production being a "record setting" 1.2 mbd additional shows a complete misunderstanding of decline and what the news has been on that front.

I'd take that article with a huge grain of salt. By all repsects and looking at the hard data, we are setting ourselves up for a mega spike within a few months of any real demand signals going positive once again. That may not happen soon. if it does not it will be due to much greater issues at hand with the global economy.

I attempted to find exactly where Ernst & Young got their figures, but I surmise it is some kind of wild guess. I did locate what is apparently an earlier 1st quarter 2009 report, and a much more pessimistic report. My how these energy geniuses at E & Y can change their mind:

http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/National_oil_company_monitor_Q1_2009/$FILE/Industries_Oil_Gas_National_oil_company_monitor_Q12009.pdf

Lacking any hard data, one can only look at what the main NOCs have actually said lately. The Saudis are generally, but not completely, following through on their so called expansion plans. While in theory this will bring new capacity, the older fields have large so call unused ‘capacity’ they will never be needed again.

I think in this 'debate', if you can call it that, 'capacity' continues to be a red herring brought up endlessly by the cornucopians - who just can't - or won't accept - that PO has already come and gone.

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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby lowem » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 10:22:43

Crude oil just bounced off the 50-dma ($63.37) with a low of $63.40 but it's still very much touch-and-go.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 21:47:23

Leanan has just posted this report on the front page. If true, then PO has not occurred yet.

Technology can help Saudi tap 'real' oil wealth

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')audi Arabia controls nearly $16.9 trillion (Dh62trn) worth of oil reserves under its arid sands but the wealth could sharply rise with the advent of more advanced production technology, a key Saudi bank said yesterday.

The National Commercial Bank (NCB) said the kingdom's oil resources that can be recovered by present technology are estimated at around 260 billion barrels but they account for just a fraction of the real oil deposits.

In a short study sent to Emirates Business, NCB estimated Saudi Arabia's total crude resources in place at more than 742 billion barrels, including those which can not be reached by present production and drilling techniques.

"Only a fraction of this oil can be brought to the surface on limitations of petroleum extraction technologies and the typical structure of the reservoir… at the end of 2008, Saudi Aramco's oil and gas reserves were spread over 104 fields of which only 23 were in production," it said.

"Assuming a crude oil production rate of 8.9 million barrels per day, these proven reserves could deplete in the next 80 years. At an average crude oil price of $65 a barrel, the market value of these reserves is estimated at about $16.9trn.

"Moreover, at the fixed level of 2009 budgetary outlays, this amount could last for the next 133 years."


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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 21:56:32

"Only a fraction of this oil can be brought to the surface on limitations of petroleum extraction technologies and the typical structure of the reservoir… at the end of 2008, Saudi Aramco's oil and gas reserves were spread over 104 fields of which only 23 were in production"

They appear to be saying it will be difficult to extract what remains. I am not an expert on all the SA fields but it my understanding that they are actively working only on those fields that would result in a profit after operating and development costs, although there may be a few that are intentionally being held idle.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby lowem » Tue 07 Jul 2009, 01:41:50

Haven't they been bandying about that 260 billion barrel figure for the past 20 years or so?
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 07 Jul 2009, 18:24:22

Don't know how much truth there is in the above article but the information is now published and can be scrutinised by others who may have better knowledge or information.

Here is some recent news that should affect oil prices.

Oil, Gas Market Speculation May Face Restrictions

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U').S. regulators say they may clamp down on oil and gas price speculators by limiting the holdings of energy futures traders, including index and exchange-traded funds.

The Commodity Futures Trading Commission will hold hearings this month and next to explore the need for government-imposed restrictions on speculative trading in oil, gas and other energy markets, Chairman Gary Gensler said today in a statement.


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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby lowem » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 09:14:57

TPB probably trying hard to drive the Golden Cross back down towards 200-dma.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 09:36:44

$58.91 at the start.

Wow, a Saudi bank is bullish on Saudi Arabia. Consider me stunned. Image
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby lowem » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 09:52:41

200-dma stands at $56.22 while NYMEX crude oil prices continue to hover around $60. Putting up quite a fight since hitting $61 and coming back down again. Good support for now around this level, see what comes up next.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby lowem » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 02:38:58

Welcome back to $60 oil, no wait, it's back below $60, no wait, it's above $60 again, hold on it's $59.94, just a moment it's $60.40, no scratch that, it's $58, uh, as of *the moment of writing* it's $60.49.

Can somebody please put an end to this +/- $60 level craziness and pick a clear direction? :)
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 05:07:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lowem', 'W')elcome back to $60 oil, no wait, it's back below $60, no wait, it's above $60 again, hold on it's $59.94, just a moment it's $60.40, no scratch that, it's $58, uh, as of *the moment of writing* it's $60.49.

Can somebody please put an end to this +/- $60 level craziness and pick a clear direction? :)


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July 14 (Bloomberg) --Crude oil in New York may fall below $45 a barrel by the end of August as the global recession stalls a recovery in fuel consumption in the U.S., the world’s biggest energy user, BNP Paribas said.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby frankthetank » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 12:58:48

Up over $67... That didn't stay down long. Get ready for a spike in gasoline prices.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby lowem » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 02:35:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'U')p over $67... That didn't stay down long. Get ready for a spike in gasoline prices.


Quite a ride indeed. $65 is a good breakout point, if it breaks through $75 the picture would get much clearer, as there's been a recent resistance around that area.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 16:02:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'U')p over $67... That didn't stay down long. Get ready for a spike in gasoline prices.


... now inching past $68/bbl ...
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Unread postby Voice_du_More » Sat 25 Jul 2009, 00:00:03

The direction is up!

What alot of us do not seem to get is that China is still growing, someone said 5% per year. So yes they had a 50% drop in growth from 10% per year. But here we are in a 5% tail spin.

Any talk, just talk of an end to the recession is going to reinflate oil. Those are the facts as best as I can remember them.

$85 by labor day unless Americans cut back again and the economy starts sliding again. With a major hurricane in the gulf $90 by mid September. By Nov 09 it will start to be come very clear to alot of folks that oil production simply cannot be ramped back up and I expect a spike to develop next spring at a time when we do not expect it, a very sharp spike and then a drop back to a level near $100 per barrel. Gas will be heading north of $3.50 again next year and it will not look back for several years even though the US will be desparately scrambling to realign its transport needs with the new paradigm.

Hyperinflation is coming to the US within the next year. BTW New York might get hit by a hurricane too.
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