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Crude price record ($ 147.27) pt 2

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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby eastbay » Thu 28 May 2009, 23:33:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', 'D')o you have a timeline for $70, $80, $90, or would you prefer to stay off the record?

Nope. All I know for certain is that oil scarcities, long queue's, and very, very high prices will occur 'soon'. I just because a grandfather a few days ago, so my time perspective is long-term and by 'soon' I mean long before I'll tire of waiting for it... heh.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby copious.abundance » Fri 29 May 2009, 00:05:55

I said it early last July - and I was right - and I will say it again: The higher and the faster it rises, the harder it will crash.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby lowem » Mon 01 Jun 2009, 07:25:14

The Saudi's target price is $75, some of us have been guessing this level earlier, and some of them have actually been talking about this level, so that's a number to watch out for.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 04 Jun 2009, 14:42:38

As I write this the July contract is more $$ than all of the August - October contracts.

Something's gotta give.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 04 Jun 2009, 15:05:08

^
Ah, with today's settles the backwardation has been reduced to just the August contract. But the forward months through the end of the year aren't that much above the current contract:
http://www.nymex.com/lsco_fut_cso.aspx
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby something_awfull » Thu 04 Jun 2009, 20:59:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')IL has jumped to a seven-month high, after a leading forecaster described recent gains as only the "prologue" to a bigger rally.

Light, sweet crude for July delivery settled $US2.69, or 4.1 per cent, higher at $US68.81 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. July Brent crude on the ICE futures exchange settled $US2.83, or 4.3 per cent, higher at $US68.71 a barrel.

Spooked by a forecast of a "likely return to energy shortages" by Goldman Sachs, oil prices quickly recovered from yesterday's steep losses and resumed the march towards $US70 a barrel.

The bank's analysts predicted that futures would reach $US85 a barrel by the end of 2009, and $US95 a barrel at the end of 2010, as demand increases from economies emerging from the current downturn.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby Revi » Fri 05 Jun 2009, 10:09:20

I wonder if we'll break $70 today. It doesn't look like it, but you never know. It seems to do interesting things in the last hour of trading on a Friday.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby eXpat » Fri 05 Jun 2009, 12:42:46

Spot on Revi!!!!! :)
Oil tops $70 a barrel, expected to go higher
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il prices spiked briefly above $70 per barrel on Friday for the first time since October on the back of a Labor Department report that showed the pace of layoffs eased in May.

The unemployment rate, at 9.4 percent, rose to its highest level in more than 25 years. But the loss of 345,000 jobs in May was the lowest monthly total since September and strengthened hopes that the recession in the world’s largest economy may be bottoming out.

Benchmark crude for July delivery hit $70.32 per barrel, the highest since October, after the data was released. It then fell back to $69.70 a barrel. On Thursday the contract shot up $2.69 to settle at $68.81.

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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby Roy » Fri 05 Jun 2009, 14:28:53

Now they're giving it away!

$.01/bbl

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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby dohboi » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 00:44:01

So when was it last at $35? How long did it take for the first new doubling? What kind of a trajectory does that set for the run up this time?
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby TheDude » Tue 09 Jun 2009, 14:51:48

Topped $70/bbl just now.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby yesplease » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 02:44:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'S')o when was it last at $35? How long did it take for the first new doubling? What kind of a trajectory does that set for the run up this time?
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby 3aidlillahi » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 08:40:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')uring the last run-up it averaged almost 10% per month.(370% in 39 months).


If you have it at compound increases, then it's about 3.5% a month. At that rate, then by year's end it would be = $70 * (1.035)6 = $86. My high, btw, is $90, I believe for this year. I think we'll get that high, but not at the close since summer prices are typically 20-30% (off the top of my head estimation) higher than close prices.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby dohboi » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 12:33:32

As I recall, we were going past exponential to hyperbolic rates toward the end of the last run up.

I think we could well hit or exceed $100 (the target level just announced by OPEC) levels before the end of the year.

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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby frankthetank » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 00:35:54

$72.09

I see Russia is going to sell off a bunch of treasuries or stop buying them... That can't be good for the petrol dollar.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby Graeme » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 18:50:31

Natural Gas Oversupply to Weigh on Oil Prices?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he divergence in natural-gas and crude-oil prices has gone to an extreme. Natural-gas prices have fallen below $4 (U.S.) per million British thermal units while crude oil prices have shot up and are hovering close to $70 (U.S.) a barrel, leaving the ratio of oil-to-gas prices nearly double the historic average.

The oversupply situation in gas could be like an anchor that weighs down oil prices, as energy users increasingly switch from oil to much cheaper gas (and speculators catch on to the dynamics). The substitution effect may also get a boost from governments favoring natural gas as a cleaner-burning fuel with less dependence on foreign suppliers.

Who knows, maybe we are entering a period of inexpensive energy prices again?


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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby lowem » Wed 24 Jun 2009, 02:02:50

We're still below $70 for now. If $66 wasn't it, then I'll be looking for support at $60. It's a bit tough to keep hitting 80 on the stochs, so ...
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby DantesPeak » Mon 29 Jun 2009, 21:25:59

The major media appear to be doing everything to ignore that OPEC is taking various measures to reduce oil exports in July, and also, in August.

I posted about this last Thursday, but almost no one here took notice.

UAE announced today a cutback in shipments in August, following the recent cutback in Saudi July shipments.

Perhaps the news event least noticed of all is that Iran also plans to reduce exports. It's output in May was 150,000 bpd above quota, so if it is now at quota, that is a reduction of 150,000.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ran's oil minister said Monday that it was producing in line with its OPEC output target.


Reuters, Monday June 29 2009
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/8583216

We may be on our way to $80 oil rather quickly.

BTW I am also predicting +$100 by September 30.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby Daniel_Plainview » Mon 29 Jun 2009, 22:17:49

Oil just bolted past $73/bbl.
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Re: Another Record ($147.27) (crude oil prices)

Postby ColossalContrarian » Mon 29 Jun 2009, 22:33:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', 'O')il just bolted past $73/bbl.


Easy there you got me all excited....

but my chart isn't showing that [smilie=dontknow.gif]

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