[deMolay]

I know many here still think Obama is the best. But remember this, so far he has taken no responsibilty for anything. And he won't for this either. On all the Stimulus Fait Money his response is Congress makes the bills I just sign them. I thought part of his job as the executive was to veto those parts he thinks are bad for Americans. So far he hasn't said no to anything. And taken no responsibility. "I Just Sign What The Congress Sends Me". It will be the same with this bill. You will get the Green Police and they will be in your homes. And you will do what you are told.

[AlexdeLarge]

A Garden of Piggish Delights
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTc1MmVhMGYxY2UzNzAwMTJlODBjZjg2NDJjNmM2MWE=&w=MA==

Waxman-Markey is part power-grab, part enviro-fantasy. Here are 50 reasons to stop it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y Stephen Spruiell & Kevin Williamson

The stimulus bill was the legislative equivalent of the famous cantina scene from Star Wars, an eye-popping collection of the freakish and exotic, gathered for dubious purposes. The Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill, known as ACES (the American Clean Energy and Security Act), is more like the third panel in Hieronymus Bosch’s Garden of Earthly Delights — a hellscape that disturbs the sleep of anybody who contemplates it carefully.

Two main things to understand about Waxman-Markey: First, it will not reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, at least not at any point in the near future. The inclusion of carbon offsets, which can be manufactured out of thin air and political imagination, will eliminate most of the demands that the legislation puts on industry, though in doing so it will manage to drive up the prices consumers pay for every product that requires energy for its manufacture — which is to say, for everything. Second, it represents a worse abuse of the public trust and purse than the stimulus and the bailouts put together. Waxman-Markey creates a permanent new regime in which environmental romanticism and corporate welfare are mixed together to form political poison. From comic bureaucratic power grabs (check out the section of the bill on candelabras) to the creation of new welfare programs for Democratic constituencies to, above all, massive giveaways for every financial, industrial, and political lobby imaginable, this bill would permanently deform American politics and economic life.

[rangerone314]

Maybe some mad red-headed scientist somewhere will pull a "12 Monkeys" and we won't have to worry about reducing carbon emissions.

[Starvid]

Cap and trade is really stupid, a tax dressed up as bureacratic boondogle, made extra ineffcient so Goldman Sachs can skim some off the top.

We've had a CO2-tax in Sweden since 1990. Very clear, simple and efficient. Much better than the cap and trade madness.

And it's not like you guys don't need bigger tax revenues to deal with your deficit.

[dohboi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ap and trade is really stupid, a tax dressed up as bureacratic boondogle, made extra ineffcient so Goldman Sachs can skim some off the top.

We've had a CO2-tax in Sweden since 1990. Very clear, simple and efficient. Much better than the cap and trade madness.

And it's not like you guys don't need bigger tax revenues to deal with your deficit.

[AlexdeLarge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'M')aybe now that there is a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, they can turn this into a more reasonable bill.