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The Five Forces of Fragmentation: A Global System in Breakdown?
How do we know when value to society is being destroyed by economic activities? Taking a systems science perspective, the answer is: whenever it causes fragmentation, or disintegration. This is consistent with the idea that the tendency towards greater integration in nature and society is a fundamental principle of evolution (Smuts, 2013; Capra, 2014).
Hence, fragmentation is by definition devolutionary, literally causing disintegration or the destruction of complexity. Complexity in this instance does not refer to ‘complicatedness’, but rather to synergistic connection or positively reinforcing relationships, in the same way in which our brains embody complexity through its 100 billion interconnected neurons. My contention is that this disintegration in society occurs in at least five principle ways, which I call the five forces of fragmentation: disruption, disconnection, disparity, destruction and disease.
The Five Forces of Fragmentation
An emphasis on integrated value may seem obvious or even inevitable to some. After all, following decades (some would even say centuries) of globalisation and the acceleration of international trade and tele-digital connectivity, the world seems more integrated than ever before (The Economist, 2013). But the globalisation trend has also masked cracks in the façade of integration, beyond the recent political trend of rising nationalism and protectionism in the Trump era (Plender, 2017).
As systems scientists remind us, any complex system exists in a state of dynamic equilibrium, which, if sufficiently disrupted will either break through to a higher state of integration, or break down into a lower state of fragmentation (Laszlo, 2014). In our world today, we feel the tension between the tendency towards integration and the counter-tendency towards disintegration. For example, if we look at the data on security risks, digital distribution, social inequality, ecological integrity and human wellbeing, we can see that there are powerful forces of disintegration that threaten global harmony and progress for all. These can be distilled into the following five forces of fragmentation in what I call the Fracture Economy.
Disruption – This refers to any instability that threatens human life, safety and security, and is most often associated with political conflicts, acts of terrorism, demographic disruption, industrial accidents and natural disasters. For instance, according to the Global Peace Index 2016, only 10 countries in the world can be classified as conflict free (Institute for Economics and Peace, 2016). Another example is the 65.3 million forcibly displaced people worldwide, including 21.3 million refugees and 10 million stateless people (UNHCR, 2017).
Disconnection – This refers to any form of isolation that prevents human communication and effective data sharing, and is most often associated with a lack of access to knowledge, uncensored media and information technology. For instance, 4 billion people still lack access to the internet and nearly 6 billion people do not have high-speed internet (World Bank, 2016). And nearly 2 billion do not use a mobile phone, and almost half a billion live outside areas with a mobile signal (World Bank, 2016).
Disparity – This refers to any inequities that increase social friction or inefficient resource utilisation, and is most often associated with income inequality, over-consumption and unnecessary private asset ownership. For instance, since 2015 the richest 1% has owned more wealth than the rest of the world’s population and 8 men now own the same amount of wealth as the poorest 50% (Oxfam, 2017). And from 1960 to today, the absolute gap between the average incomes of people in the richest and poorest countries has grown by 135% (Bolt and van Zanden, 2014).
Destruction – This refers to any production and consumption that leads to the decline of resources and disruption of ecosystems, and is most often associated with rapacious economic growth, demographic changes and industrial pollution. For instance, according to the Living Planet Index, populations of vertebrate species declined 58% between 1970 and 2012 and will decline 67% by 2020 if current trends continue (WWF, 2016). And unabated climate change, resulting in 2.5 degrees Celsius warming, will devastate ecosystems, increase poverty and cost the global economy $12 trillion by 2050 (UNDP, 2016).
Discontent – This refers to all unhealthy lifestyles and toxic environments that impair human wellbeing, and is most often associated with stressful workplaces, poor diets, lack of exercise and negative psychological attitudes. For instance, more than 40% of deaths from non-communicable diseases (which account for 70% of all deaths, an increase since 2000) are premature or preventable, notably from cardiovascular and respiratory diseases, cancers and diabetes (WHO, 2017). And depression and anxiety disorders affect 10% of people, cost the global economy US$1 trillion each year and have increased 50% from 1990 and 2013 (WHO and World Bank, 2016).
Countering the Forces of Fragmentation
How might this this value destruction in society be countered or reversed? There are clues in innovations that are occurring in five emerging economic spheres: the resilience, digital, access, circular and wellbeing economies. In each of these areas, there are breakthrough business models, practices, products and services that are building, rather than destroying, societal value. I call these the five pathways to innovation, defined in terms of the desired future state they are trying to advance, which is a society that is more: safe, smart, shared, sustainable and satisfying.
Hence, one of the decisive factors that may tip the balance between these opposing evolutionary forces in society – in favour of integration rather than disintegration – is synergistic innovation. Table 1 summarises these tension and potentials.
There is ample case-study evidence that the five pathways to innovation are creating value beyond narrow financial or economic conceptions. Viewed in terms of a multi-capital perspective, we can demonstrate that they are building – in addition to financial capital – infrastructural, technological, human, social and ecological capital. However, the real breakthrough in value creation comes when two or more of the pathways to innovation are synergistically combined, thus creating integrated value. Let me define the concept fully:
Integrated Value is the simultaneous building of multiple capitals (notably financial, infrastructural, technological, human, social and ecological) through synergistic innovation across the resilience, digital, access, circular and wellbeing economies that result in a world that is more safe, smart, shared, sustainable and satisfying.
You can read more about the Five Forces of Integration and the Pathways to Innovation in my HuffPost article, Synergy: The Driver of Integrated Value in the New Nexus Economy
153 Comments on "The Five Forces of Fragmentation: A Global System in Breakdown?"
peaktard on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 8:14 pm
mak we could easily raise some money for education if we require expats to show up every 3 months or 2 to collect their checks.
this way we bring the money home and it won’t go to donations to foreign terrorist groups.
there’s an asymetric 4G warfare going against us and we’re funding it.
boat on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 8:17 pm
Trump is German, Republicans are primarily Germans, the poor whites that think they are left behind are German Republicans. The militaristic hawks are mainly German. Racism in the US has a German majority. In WWII US German soldiers killed German soldiers until they quit.
Funny how the Germans in US love FF while their European counterparts moved on. Was it the fear of dependence of Russian fuel? Meanwhile back at the ranch we got no fear of no Russian.
GregT on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 8:17 pm
Davy,
Congratulations, for turning an otherwise mostly considerate and intelligent discussion forum into a kindergarten spat.
peaktard on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 8:26 pm
boat FF is good for destroying wind turbines.
alt-tard media receives shekles from putin and they’re anti America. they pivot to Russia. This goes way back to the Cambridge 5 and now snowden.
GregT on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 8:28 pm
” the fear of dependence of Russian fuel? Meanwhile back at the ranch we got no fear of no Russian.”
People generally don’t express a lack of fear over something that they aren’t afraid of boat.
Davy on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 8:38 pm
I was wondering how long it would take for you to make a stupid comment gregster. You are just a biass so I would expect you to see this situation as one sided.
Davy on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 8:41 pm
Back on the boat again gregster? Talking about kindergarten school yard. LOL
boat on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 8:48 pm
greggiet,
Silly man, them Russians cut gas exports to Europe a few years back. So yes them Russians are not to be trusted. Them same Russians collect sanctions as often as mak hails a taxi ride. Part of the reason Europe pushed solar and wind before it was economical was thee fear of them untrusty Russians controlling the nat gas tap. As usual you talk shyt but 6 oil quarts shy of a working car engine.
boat on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 8:56 pm
mak,
Pretty sure N Korea gonna get bombed. China seems reluctant to stop it. Once the N Korean refugees bolt for the border the Chinese will regret forcing the US to action.
peaktard on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 9:05 pm
boat US doesn’t do anything to NK. No reason to.
Only reason is to get a bridgehead to Russia
peaktard on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 9:22 pm
if you guys look at any of these reports you see a bunch of sine waves. this is because winds is totally dependent on sunlight.
the thing that took this tard a while to make sense is maximum output at night.
this tells me these are primarily sea based units.
in all considerations (maintenance, and deployment), sea based turbines aren’t that good.
I said wind lags behind sunlight about 10 minutes or so. so they should deploy similarly sized land based turbines to smooth out the curves.
http://mis.ercot.com/misapp/GetReports.do?reportTypeId=13105&reportTitle=Wind%20Integration%20Reports%20&showHTMLView=&mimicKey
Makati1 on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 9:36 pm
Boat, The Chinese will prevent any border crossing, while they watch the North decimate the South in massive shelling and bombing. Then China will step in when the US is toast and control both Koreas. If you can think of a REAL reason this could not happen, better post it.
I do not see China or Russia letting the US get control of the Koreas. Not in this lifetime.
But consider what it will mean for the US. Another lost war in Korea, not to mention the decimation of the US economy. What does South Korea export to the US? Maybe you should check and then hope that it never happens.
South Korea’s exports to the US amounted to
$66.8 billion or 13.5% of its overall exports.
1. Vehicles : $22.1 billion
2. Electronic equipment: $13.7 billion
3. Machinery including computers: $11.1 billion
4. Oil: $2.4 billion
5. Plastics: $2.1 billion
6. Rubber, rubber articles: $1.8 billion
7. Articles of iron or steel: $1.8 billion
8. Iron, steel: $1.7 billion
9. Medical, technical equipment: $1.3 billion
10. Organic chemicals: $987.6 million
http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top_korea_exports.html
Makati1 on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 10:00 pm
Lies, sex and drugs, the US government at work:
“Now that finally the U.S. government has officially terminated its arming and training of the jihadist gangs that are fighting to overthrow and replace Syria’s government, the neoconservative mainstream U.S. ‘news’ media are disagreeing with each other over how to communicate this fact to the American people without contradicting, or otherwise violating, the false ‘history’ they’ve all been presenting and preserving, throughout the past five years, which has described the U.S. government as being opposed to the jihadists in Syria, instead of as the U.S. government’s arming and training jihadists to overthrow and replace Syria’s government.
That’s a pretty blatant ‘historical’ lie, which they’ve all been maintaining, now, for five years; and, they’re at loggerheads over whether or how they’ll deal with it, now that the program (whose very existence they’ve helped the government to hide from the public) has been so publicly and suddenly ordered to end.”
“How Mainstream U.S. ‘News’ Media Pump Their Government’s Lies to Deceive the Public”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-mainstream-u-s-news-media-pump-their-governments-lies-to-deceive-the-public/5602759
Gulag Police State Propaganda/Brainwashing at its best!
GregT on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 10:00 pm
Boat needs somebody to back him Davy. You’re doing a great job. Keep up the good work!
GregT on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 10:11 pm
“Silly man, them Russians cut gas exports to Europe a few years back.”
It’s their gas boat, they can do whatever they like with it. If others do not want to pay for it, they need to look elsewhere, or go without. Not exactly rocket science.
Makati1 on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 10:16 pm
“America, Erased from the World Stage”
https://journal-neo.org/2017/08/05/america-erased-from-the-world-stage/
“n fact, there is much to be examined in the degree Washington has overlooked Trump’s extreme ineptitude. Might it well be that while Trump “tweets” and buffoons his days away, the looting of America is hitting high gear?
The “special interest” disease in Washington is more than climate denialism and minority bashing. Public lands are being given to powerful interests at a record rate, protections against poisoned food, water, air and drugs are dissolving as well as are protections from the financial scamsters that crashed the economy in 2007.”
Nuff said
Makati1 on Sat, 5th Aug 2017 10:47 pm
“Over the years, I’ve found I have much more in common with people of my own social or economic station or occupation in France, Argentina, or Hong Kong, than with an American union worker in Detroit or a resident of the LA barrios. I suspect many of you would agree with that observation.
What’s actually important in relationships is shared values, principles, interests, and philosophy. Geographical proximity, and a common nationality, is meaningless—no more than an accident of birth. I have much more loyalty to a friend in the Congo—although we’re different colors, have different cultures, different native languages, and different life experiences—than I do to the Americans who live down the highway in the trailer park. I see the world the same way my Congolese friend does; he’s an asset to my life. I’m necessarily at odds with many of “my fellow Americans”; they’re an active and growing liability.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-05/doug-casey-end-nation-state
BINGO! My “assets” are in Asia, not the U$ and I am glad that is so. Other than blood ties, I have few things in common with my American family that would want me to remain there. Only two share my outlook and they can come and see me if they want. I never saw them in person more than every few years, even when I lived in the U$. No great loss.
Davy on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 1:31 am
“Boat needs somebody to back him Davy. You’re doing a great job. Keep up the good work!”
Grehg, makat needs someone to back him. You’re doing a great job. Keep up the good work Creep!”
Davy on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 1:39 am
Makat, what is it again? You were bragging about leaving this site because it was intellectually below you. You were talking about how it was boring you but now look at you, the same old shit. You are a broken record of the same old focused anti-Americanism. How mentally pressured can you go with it. Yahoo, it’s a rompen good time at the PO blog. LMFAO, you guys are pathetic and yea I am pathetic with you but I get the enjoyment of at least causing you discomfort in your ugly agenda of hate and discontent. I can level the playing field.
MD on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 1:42 am
a well crafted motivational presentation. Still BS, but some will find it inspirational and enlightening.
MD on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 1:44 am
We have the lovely “5Ds”, the transitional middle, followed by the “5s” solution. Very nice!
MD on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 1:47 am
It could easily be sold in workshops for a couple hundred bucks apiece, with succinct power point slides, handouts, doughnuts and coffee to jack up the attendees, and a tooth-polished speaker to deliver the point, and take further donations.
OK, yeah. I am cynical and jaded. Don’t like it? That’s too goddamed bad :->
boat on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 3:11 am
mak,
“n fact, there is much to be examined in the degree Washington has overlooked Trump’s extreme ineptitude”.
Funny you mention Trump’s extreme ineptitude when you and Juan P were such big Trump fans before the election.
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 3:12 am
Cloggie, do you really believe that Russian will stay out of a Chinese/US war?
There is not a freaking chance that Germany and France will let themselves being pushed in a war against China and Russia, unless there is a very good reason for it, like Russia invading Europe or China invading Hawaii, which of course is not going to happen.
The most likely source of conflict will be local: China issuing an ultimatum that US naval ships have no business in being in these newly created 200 miles zones in the South-China Sea. THAT could very well be the cause for a standoff, but I do not believe in a global all-out war over that. But sinking of ships and occupying the Ps by Chinese forces to close down US bases, that is very well possible. And Russia and Europe will not engage themselves militarily in that.
And then there is Iran and the situation in the Gulf. The western communist press is completely silent about what is happening in KSA and the crack down against Shia cities in the Eastern KSA oil provinces.
The center of the uprising is Awamiyah.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/saudi-arabia-defends-bahrain-s-deadly-crackdown-on-shia-protestors/story-gxEzZAjAewaVSWmOkWQyJP.html
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/07/26/529770/Saudi-Eastern-Province–Awamiyah-Mohsen-alLejami-Mosara
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2017/7/30/canadian-armoured-vehicles-used-in-saudi-arabia-shia-crackdown
Russia and China won’t sit idly by in case the US declares war on Iran. And Europe will not participate in such an undertaking either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdpej7V9Kls
Europe supports the US-Iran deal hammered out under Obama.
Yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntYEoMKa8Xo
Perhaps to US can mobilize Poland to get a war started against Russia, like they used Poland to get a war started against Germany in 1939. Poland hates both Germany and Russia, for historic reasons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland
boat on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 3:31 am
clog,
“The most likely source of conflict will be local”:
Have you been tracking China and India having border problems. China has been doing deals with Pakistan which is unsettling for India. Not to mention India claims China has a submarine in their area. This has India ordering 6 new subs.
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 4:14 am
Dave addressed the important issue of renewable cement production from a skeptical point of view. In the link a video of the ENCI cement factory in Maastricht, The Netherlands, that managed to reduced its coal consumption with a whopping 90% by replacing it with waste burning (household waste, sewer sludge). Additionally, waste heat is used for further industrial processes like drying.
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/08/06/renewable-cement-production/
Alternatively you can recycle old stones and concrete into new bricks against a fraction of the energy cost.
Makati1 on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 4:38 am
cloggie, if a war erupts between any of the three nuclear super powers, it will mean a world war and the EU will NOT be immune. It will end in the nukes flying. All those NATO troops on Russia’s border will be hit first and they will not be allowed unto Russian soil. The Russian learned a a hard lesson in WW2. They are not about to allow that to happen again.
ANY war involving the three will definitely mean the end to life as you and I know it. The world economy will be trashed. China will see to that first thing. ALL countries will be 3rd world, or worse, when it ends.
China holds the cards in this game. Not the U$ and the U$ knows it. That is why threats are all we are likely to see there. The U$ Navy cannot come within 1,000 miles of China’s coast without losing their carriers. Ditto for Russia’s coasts. A million dollar missile can take out a $12B carrier and most of it’s fleet in one shot.
But … the U$ has done a lot of stupid things lately, and maybe a nuclear war will be the next one. We shall see.
uire on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 4:53 am
Cloggie, concrete production is NOT a DIY project for the home or even local town. The annual world production of concrete is about 5,000,000,000 cubic yards. Every concrete paved road takes about 1 cubic yard per foot of single lane nine feet wide. Not to mention the steel in it. The ability to even manufacture a few cubic yards for personal use is a joke. How much energy goes into assembling, crushing and reconstituting the ingredients? Do you ever do the math? Scaling up to practicability is not going to happen.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Does_anyone_know_the_annual_consumption_of_concrete_in_the_world_and_also_in_India
https://setis.ec.europa.eu/related-jrc-activities/jrc-setis-reports/capita-cement-consumption-selected-countries
You use one video as your reference. It is a poor one. Try again.
Makati1 on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 4:54 am
uire? Who is uire? That is my comment. Gremlins in the PO site? LOL
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 5:36 am
Cloggie, concrete production is NOT a DIY project for the home or even local town.
Strawman, nobody says so. I included the reference to the DIY to remind the ordinary readers of what substance we are actually talking about.
Do you ever do the math?
Do you? I do not see any math in your post. Yet you jump to conclusions anyway.
You use one video as your reference. It is a poor one. Try again.
Why is it a poor one? It is from one of the most advanced cement industries in the world , that managed to reduce coal consumption with 90%. You in India can only dream of that. Perhaps you invite the British again and get yourself recolonized and properly managed. Just a thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvfyiOhLSF4
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 5:42 am
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/queen-offers-to-restore-british-rule-over-united-states
The British Queen kindly offered the United States to become a member of the Empire again. She can have the communist NE. We, the more fashy types in continental Europe, want the Heartland back.
Perhaps if India asks very politely, India can become a member as well of the British Empire 2.0.
No guarantees though. The demand is stiff:
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1713275,00.html
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 5:57 am
Thanks makati for providing me the opportunity to show of my imperial instincts.lol
Don’t fall asleep over your keyboard and accidentally change your nick with your nose.
deadlykillerbeaz on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 6:16 am
More sophomoric mindless drivel. A waste of time, forget about it.
If you should travel to Butte out in Montana, you will find a place that was once a large growing city. Buildings from the early twentieth century built with steel, bricks and mortar, large city-sized buildings several stories tall. The buildings you see tell you that they’re not made from straw. The ceilings touched the sky in Butte.
Butte was once the largest city west of the Mississippi. It existed for one reason, copper deposits. Then came mechanization, then resource depletion. The population of Butte is 33,853 today. There were probably 130,000 living there in 1925.
Thirty years ago, Butte had lots of antique stores, pawn shops, and it was easy to see a once busy place in the 1900s had waned. From boom to bust. The growth came to a stop, an abrupt end. There was a treasure trove of antiques in Butte back in 1985, large buildings filled to the brim with old items, one wall 60 feet deep lined with old Wurlitzers.
Haven’t been there since. You have to be a dedicated Montanan to want to live in Butte.
Can’t hang around Butte when the copper is gone, won’t be any work to do.
That’s the way it goes moving west.
It’s been fun, but I gotta run, I’m a gonna move on
You can lead bull to water, but you can’t make him stampede.
I guess you can cut it and slice it all you want, analyze it to death, however, your stomach rules, the game changer.
Doesn’t matter where you are.
If you are stationed in Antarctica when everything goes to hell, good luck to ya.
Better get out now then. Better hope your ship comes in.
Another hard day on the planet.
Davy on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 6:29 am
“Perhaps to US can mobilize Poland to get a war started against Russia, like they used Poland to get a war started against Germany in 1939. Poland hates both Germany and Russia, for historic reasons:”
History revisions zone, please proceed with caution, fiction and fantasy present!
Davy on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 6:32 am
“China holds the cards in this game.”
What cards are those makat? Do you have any references or is it just your Asiana fantasy running wild again.
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 6:32 am
Butte, I was there once, in the seventies. Well, virtually, when reading one of the most defining books in my life, Zen and the art of motor cycle maintenance:
At Three Forks the road cuts into a narrow canyon of whitish-tan rock, past
some Lewis and Clark caves. East of Butte we go up a long hard grade, cross the Continental Divide, then go down into a valley. Later we pass the great stack of the Anaconda smelter, turn into the town of Anaconda and find a good restaurant with steak and coffee. We go up a long grade that leads to a lake surrounded by pine forests and past some fishermen who push a small
boat into the water. Then the road winds down again through the pine forest, and I see by the angle of the sun that the morning is almost ended.
I’m still amazed at the level of despair in America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcuZYn6BLyI
Davy on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 6:40 am
“Do you ever do the math? Scaling up to practicability is not going to happen.”
Uri, Mr. Clog is desperate to cover all basis of modern civilization in his 100% transition by 2050 because you know 1KW = 1KW. If he cannot prove all modern undertakings can be accomplished by electricity or its derivatives then his agenda of a totally renewable century dominated by Europe is in tatters. He is still struggling to show how the grid is going to be 100% renewable let alone transportation. The biggest kicker is agriculture and industry. I think it is great the strides being made with renewables. It is changed my doom outlook by years but unrealistic techno optimism does not fly with me. I was spoon fed too much of that in the late 20th century.
Davy on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 6:43 am
“I’m still amazed at the level of despair in America.”
That is all you see cloggie so what is your opinion worth. You are a Eurotard anti-American what else can we expect from you. You are right there with the Canadians in your American loathing.
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 6:54 am
History revisions zone, please proceed with caution, fiction and fantasy present!
Chamberlain was referring to the Polish War Guarantee, the British Empire was pushed into after calculated US pressure, and the kosher righthand man of Roosevelt, William Bullitt, the USSR lover:
http://tinyurl.com/z3qqcgm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_military_alliance
“In April, 1939 (four months before the outbreak of war), Ambassador William C, Bullitt, whom I had known for twenty years, called me to the American Embassy in Paris. The American Ambassador told me that war had been decided upon. He did not say, nor did I ask, by whom. He let me infer it… When I said that in the end Germany would be driven into the arms of Soviet Russia and Bolshevism, the Ambassador replied: “What of it? There will not be enough Germans left when the war is over worth Bolshevising.”
∼ Karl Von Wiegand, April 23rd, 1944, Chicago Herald American.
History they won’t teach you at school. WW2 was all by design by the kosher overclasses of both the USSR…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bSAB5OPkwQ
…and the United States, nothing happened out of the blue. The Germans were the hunted, the Americans and Soviets the hunters from 1933 onwards.
Keep on dreaming Davy, about your “benevolent United States”, it doesn’t exist, other than in the “patriotic minds” of those who don’t read too many books.
Oh and your European-American kind are next on the line to become Bolshevized.
https://www.nrk.no/urix/–amerikansk-politikk-er-galskap-1.11457779
August 2014 (2 years before Trump), last minute:
A lot of the craziness comes from cultural/ethnic issues—rural White Americans who feel they are losing their country, and they are right. They are losing their country. In the end, the power they now have will go away, but it’s a very difficult and dangerous time until then. The future is represented by Mayor Bill DeBlasio of New York, “but Ted Cruz of Texas is still out there.”
Keep deluding yourself at your own peril. You are the hunted now by “your own” kosher overclass, like the Russians were after 1917. Perhaps you will begin to understand what motivated the Germans, who didn’t fancy too much to see Gulags all over Germany, like had happened to Russia, as Putin admits.
Putin has all the cards, he has his war archives and will open them on a for Russia opportune moment (European acceptance of Russia as a fully fledged European nation).
Kiss your WW2 stories goodbye (German war guilt, holocaust).
http://www.spiegel.de/video/putin-im-sommerurlaub-posieren-fuer-die-kamera-video-1788033.html
Russia already began lifting the veil in 2009, when relations with Germany and France were fine:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5445161/Russia-accuses-Poland-of-starting-Second-World-War.html
(which is true in a superficial way, leaving out the roles of the Soviets and Anglos)
Davy on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 6:57 am
Further watches and warnings:
Proceed with intellectual caution a Eurotard has been spotted in the vicinity
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 7:00 am
That is all you see cloggie so what is your opinion worth. You are a Eurotard anti-American what else can we expect from you. You are right there with the Canadians in your American loathing.
I’m far more pro-American than you are. It depends a little on how you define Amerika.
And indeed my opinion of Washington is less than stellar, where you can’t make up your mind on who your people really are. You are still flirting with the idea that the entire world is “your people” and your “opposition” against the US global empire, as witnessed by your vote for Trump, is mostly lip service. You know it is almost over, but you find it difficult to say goodbye. I can understand that. We know how it is to lose an empire.
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 7:02 am
Proceed with intellectual caution a Eurotard has been spotted in the vicinity
You just declared yourself intellectually bankrupt with this juvenile response. Deep in your heart you know it is true what I say, but you have nothing to say against it, but you do not like it, so you throw with mud.
Sad.
/Trump.lol
Davy on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 7:17 am
Clog, you are great at putting words in my mouth but if you are trying to convince me then “wrong answer”. I am a doomer and prepper. I am not a normal American or a normal “modern”. I know it is almost over for me and especially you and your Eurotard land. Get a grip and climb out of your perverted 20th century dung pile you stink.
This is just lip service because this argument has been going on for so long I have lost track. If you spew revisions and embellishments you get called out. It is as simple as that. If you tell me to ignore you like your dork friend makat I will tell you to quit telling lies about me. Yes, you two crazy old men spend an inordinate amount of time cutting me down. You don’t think you can trash the US in general and in particular and not offend me. I know there is plenty to be critical of in the US why do you think I am here on an anti-American dominated web blog.
This anti-Americanism comes from all sides and it draws out the cockroaches of the world along with it. If you are going to be anti-American then do it right and do it good. You are often of the poor quality variety which consists of history revisions and embellishments and future fantasies being paraded as current reality. If you will notice I will say little to nothing for fair, balanced, and intellectually accurate American critical information. It is profoundly important many of these issues be dealt with. What I am not going to sit around and listen to is the anti-American whining and emotional attacks from hypocrites and assholes. On the geopolitical you are off the deep end, clog. You are a total buffoon. On the energy side I am all ears and enjoy your post even though you are hopelessly optimistic.
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 7:51 am
More haze to avoid really addressing the points I make regarding WW2.
And don’t give me this anti-American BS, because I have said repeated that “my” Dutch government was also wrong in abandoning neutrality, after heavy secret pressure from Churchill, something nobody wants to have true in the Netherlands, but even the kosher professor Lou de Jong…
http://tinyurl.com/yd693uoa
…responsible for writing the history of WW2 had to admit (25 years later):
https://gerard1945.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/09a.jpg
(“The Netherlands weren’t so neutral. Dutch military top brass had contacts with allies before the war”)
The Dutch had agreed to allow overpass to British and French troops to attack German territory from Dutch territory. That was the only reason why the German overrun the Netherlands; the Dutch government got what it deserved after having week knees in London.
The German foreign minister von Ribbentrop was entirely correct in his justification for the invasion:
https://postimg.org/image/oxqfj4a87/
Here direct proof from the French high command that they had an agreement that the Dutch would provide the advancing British and French troops with fuel. A breach of neutrality if there ever was one.
https://gerard1945.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/07b.jpg
How did Mel Gibson put it again of who were behind all wars?
http://tinyurl.com/y8yu3sur
Britain and France had declared war on Germany, as they were forced to, as they were trapped in the Polish War Guarantee, they were pushed into by the American top-diplomats, for no other purpose than to get the desired war in Europe started. Once they had that declaration in place they began to secretly encourage the Poles to be tough with the Germans forced to live in Versailles Poland, because the Americans “were on the Polish side”, which was a lie. The Americans only needed the Poles as useful idiots to get the war started, of which they knew they would intervene eventually, together with their secret Soviet friends.
The time Davy, that America can glorify itself at the cost of Europe and Germany in particular with tall WW2 tales, is over. As you have repeatedly admitted, the US empire is as good as over, although there is still the possibility that the deep state will return to power after Trump with a vengeance and will try to reinstall the US empire, in vain. All over the world there are major powers who refuse to accept that the US can own it all. Come and get us Davy.
Davy on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 8:10 am
Clog, stop the fake Eurotard whining about the last century when you Euro’s royally screwed the world up for the second time. Not to mention all the wonderful beautiful cultures you trashed in the 19th century. What horribleness that was. The US empire is over and good riddance. That empire happened because of the Euro failures of the 20th century. We never would have assumed the position we did without your failures.
I am a doomer and prepper. I am not obsessed with my identity failings of the past like you are. Your Euroland was laid waste by your own failings and this humbled all you Eurotards. It is understandable that there will be those like you, clog, who are proud and boastful that want to rewrite history to make you look better in light of the huge Euroland mistake that Europe of the 20th century was. Yes, clog, your life was part of the greatest mistake in modern history. The mistake that is and was the American Empire came out of the ruble and ashes of this failed Eurotard land. You demonize the US in this purpose. It is a selfish dirty purpose. This is easy to do these days because there are so many gullible intellectually hollow individuals who will believe anything especially if it includes anti-Americanism and sounds too good to be true. So Clog go back in your hole from whence you cometh.
How is that clog? Did I come and get ya enough? LMFAO
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 8:43 am
It is understandable that there will be those like you, clog, who are proud and boastful that want to rewrite history to make you look better in light of the huge Euroland mistake that Europe of the 20th century was.
Nobody looks good in the drama, neither the Americans, nor the Soviets, the British, the French, the Poles, the Dutch, the Norwegians, the Yugoslavs, etc.
But hey, no problem, no reason to talk openly about what really happened, now is there, we can always use the Germans to shit on ad infinitum. But that little game, I am not willing to continue to play any further. Not because I have a special desire to torment patriots like you, but because I want to get rid of our mutual real 2017 overlords.
When I am attacking the conventional tales regarding WW2, I am not really attacking you, I am attacking that sinister Apneaman. It was his tribe who organized it all. Americans like you and boat just loved to be told via TalmudVision how exceptionalist you were (“Greatest Generation”) and noble and how these evil Europeans just got what they deserved and that Americans were better than Europeans. How dare they venture to get rid of the darlings of the media-owners.
Isn’t the internet wonderful.lol
The genie is out of the bottle.
peaktard on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 9:16 am
america has two gigantic atom bombs atlantic and pacific. we wait it out and finish teh job that putin started. i’m not a warhawk i only support well planned entry and building coalition with nato to defeat putin
i want siberia. lots of natural resources there.
peaktard on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 9:18 am
i want women to fight their way out of poverty. i’m very passionate about poverty and women. i love women. i am not cruel asking them to fight their way out of poverty.
i’m not a sinister dude because i can’t score. i don’t hate women like most alt-tard guys because they can’t score.
i was a former paultard so u know my passion is boundless.
peaktard on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 9:21 am
putin is now the richest man in the world. bill gates, bezos, the tell mexico dude be damned.
this much wealth only come from being a dictator. russians people are taken for a ride and destitude. they will help with liberation of russia
Cloggie on Sun, 6th Aug 2017 10:00 am
There is zero proof that Putin is “the richest man in the world”. Provide any or stfu.