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The Inevitable Death of Natural Gas as a ‘Bridge Fuel’
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti recently announced the city is scrapping plans for a multi-billion-dollar update to three natural gas power plants, instead choosing to invest in renewable energy and storage.
“This is the beginning of the end of natural gas in Los Angeles,” said Mayor Garcetti. “The climate crisis demands that we move more quickly to end dependence on fossil fuel, and that’s what today is all about.”
Last year America’s carbon emissions rose over 3 percent, despite coal plants closing and being replaced in part by natural gas, the much-touted “bridge fuel” and “cleaner” fossil fuel alternative.
As a new series from the sustainability think tank the Sightline Institute points out, the idea of natural gas as a bridge fuel is “alarmingly deceptive.”
But signs are emerging that, despite oil and gas industry efforts to shirk blame for the climate crisis and promote gas as part of a “lower-carbon fuel mix,” the illusion of natural gas as a bridge fuel is starting to crumble.
Market Forces
While Mayor Garcetti may be right in predicting the downward slide of natural gas for power generation, climate concerns won’t drive that change — just simple economics.
It wasn’t long ago that President Obama — who was accused of starting “the war on coal” because of air quality regulations — was touting the benefits of “clean coal.” But automation in the coal mining industry and competition with cheaper renewables and natural gas began taking a toll on coal.
The struggling coal industry thought things were looking up when Donald Trump was elected, with his promise to bring back coal.
But he has failed.
Most recently, President Trump tweeted that the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) should vote to keep two old coal power plants open.
Coal is an important part of our electricity generation mix and @TVAnews should give serious consideration to all factors before voting to close viable power plants, like Paradise #3 in Kentucky!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 11, 2019
Nevertheless, the TVA voted to close those coal plants and said it expected the move would save a billion dollars in future costs. Burning coal for electricity is increasingly incompatible with profits.
Gary Jones, the economic development director for the Kentucky county where one of the closing coal plants is located, acknowledged this economic reality in his comments to The Wall Street Journal, saying: “We definitely don’t blame him [Trump] for this. It’s the market.”
Exactly. Coal can’t compete with the historically low and unsustainable price of natural gas in the U.S. when it comes to power generation. And it can’t compete with renewables either.
In July 2016 I wrote the following about a presentation on coal at the annual Energy Information Administration conference:
“The presentation on India ended with the following conclusion: Cheap coal remains critical to Indian economic growth.”
India was all-in on coal for the next few decades, and yet in the two and half years since I wrote that, renewables have been hurting India’s coal industry. Why?
Just like in Tennessee and Kentucky, it’s the market. But it isn’t natural gas taking down coal in India, it’s wind and solar, according to a recent Reuters column by Clyde Russell:
“… the main reason coal may battle to fuel India’s future energy needs is that it’s simply becoming too expensive relative to renewable energy alternatives such as wind and solar.”
A coal power plant in Datteln, Germany. Credit: Cropped from image by Arnold Paul, CC BY–SA 2.5
A similar situation is unfolding in Germany, which aims to close all its coal plants in the next 20 years. The natural gas industry initially saw this as an opportunity to slide in and replace coal, but the lower cost of renewable energy may lead Germany to skip the “bridge” offered by natural gas and move straight to renewables, which already provide over 40 percent of the nation’s power.
According to Bloomberg, a large German energy company’s study predicts natural gas use in Germany (and other European countries) will likely decline. Why?
“… the cost of solar and battery systems will fall far enough that renewables may become the most cost-effective way to generate new flows of electricity.”
Compare that to 2014, when industry giants were trash-talking the future of renewables in Europe. At an energy industry conference, Paolo Scaroni, the CEO of oil and gas company Eni, said that Europe is realizing that renewables are “more a problem than a solution,” and Siemens CEO Joe Kaeser said, “Using solar panels in Germany is like growing pineapples in Alaska.”
Now renewables are the solution. And that certainly poses a problem for the fossil fuel industry.
Coal is dead. Soon enough, natural gas will also be dead. The economics alone will drive the world to wind & solar.
An appropriate recognition of the social cost of CO2 & methane will greatly accelerate this transition. https://t.co/lZUF8iXhmr
— Robert Howarth (@howarth_cornell) February 20, 2019
Building new natural gas infrastructure looks like a bad investment right now to cities like LA when renewables are already competitive. Natural gas seems poised to join coal as another fuel that just couldn’t compete with renewables.
Here are more reasons why that’s the case.
Natural Gas Prices Headed Up, Renewables Down
A Nordex wind turbine parts manufacturing facility in Jonesboro, Arkansas. Credit: Department of Energy, public domain
The price of renewable energy and storage is trending downward while the already super-low price of natural gas — especially in the U.S. — has nowhere to go but up.
While India and Germany already are finding renewables cheaper than fossil fuels for power generation with today’s technology, further advances in research and development as well as manufacturing will continue making renewables even more competitive.
MIT professor and former CIA director John Deutch recently presented a study entitled, “Demonstrating Near Carbon Free Electricity Generation from Renewables and Storage,” at a Stanford University energy seminar, in which he said:
“You are going to find yourselves very shortly in a situation where you have storage alternatives that, when matched with existing solar and wind generating systems, will be able to meet load extremely effectively.”
Meeting power demand effectively and as the lowest-cost producer — using fuel sources (wind and sun) that are free.
According to Greentech Media, energy industry analysts at Wood Mackenzie say the combination of renewables with battery systems can currently replace approximately two-thirds of U.S. natural gas turbines — right now. Estimates predict the cost of storage alone could drop 80 percent by 2040.
Who wants to own a gas power plant in 2040 knowing that?
Meanwhile, the cost of producing power with natural gas is dependent on the cost of the fuel.
Right now, gas companies are losing money — and have been for some time — at the current price of natural gas in America. As DeSmog has detailed, the fracking industry, which is responsible for most U.S. natural gas production, has been on a decade-long, money-losing streak.
The industry has proven unable to turn a profit at current natural gas prices. So, unless Wall Street wants to lose billions more subsidizing the natural gas industry, prices will have to go up at some point. And when natural gas prices go up, residential electricity rates go up.
Additionally, if all of the planned infrastructure gets built to export U.S. natural gas in liquid form (known as liquefied natural gas, or LNG), prices for natural gas are very likely to rise. This is the industry’s survival plan for the future. However, the higher prices natural gas producers need possibly will kill off one of the industry’s main markets.
☀️ Solar is beginning to outshine other forms of energy in Alberta. Three new #solar farms—which will provide the provincial government with 55% of its electricity needs—were contracted at a lower cost than natural gas. #abpoli https://t.co/NhwN4z9S6H pic.twitter.com/egTS6qPq6W
— Clean Energy Canada (@cleanenergycan) February 19, 2019
Tom DiCapua, managing director of wholesale energy services at Con Edison Energy, recently summed up the situation to Reuters: “As LNG exports increase, so will future gas prices.”
When it comes to the long-term economics of power generation, it isn’t a fair fight. There is no clear way natural gas can compete with renewables on an economic basis in the coming decades. Which is why the oil and gas industry works so hard to convince people gas is clean and cheap.
It knows it can’t win a fair fight.
Structural Financial Issues With Natural Gas Industry
In a July 2017 Forbes column, energy industry expert Art Berman laid out the details of the structural problems in the finances of natural gas production. Since then, things have only gotten worse as huge volumes of gas are pumped simultaneously out of Permian oil wells in Texas and New Mexico.
However, even before the huge ramp-up in the Permian, Berman made the case that the natural gas industry was producing record amounts of gas at prices in which companies could not make money. How could they do that?
Wall Street’s coffers.
As Berman explained, “Credit markets have been willing to support unprofitable shale gas drilling since the 2008 Financial Collapse.”
Of course, now credit markets are not as willing to loan money to shale companies to produce gas at a loss. Berman estimated that natural gas producers needed prices of $4 per million Btu of gas to break even. Prices are below $4, and the average price has been below that for years.
Not looking good for natural gas.
If You Can’t Beat Them, Join Them
In 2017, workers clean Heliostats at the Ivanpah Solar Project, a concentrated solar energy project. Credit: Dennis Shroeder, National Renewable Energy Lab, CC BY–NC–ND 2.0
Similar to the fossil fuel industry, electric utilities also have fought renewable energy options. In 2016, utilities in Florida spent almost $30 million to limit residents’ ability to install rooftop solar — perceived as a direct threat to the utilities.
Much like coal’s prospects in India, a couple of years has made a huge difference, however. In February, the Christian Science Monitor reported that utilities in Florida have begun embracing utility-owned solar farms. And while utilities have still been fighting residential rooftop solar, it’s started making gains in Florida anyway — despite regulatory restrictions.
“The utilities are putting out solar like you wouldn’t believe,” said James Fenton, director of the University of Central Florida’s Florida Solar Energy Center.
The utilities didn’t suddenly decide the climate was more important than profits. They just see a better path to profits with solar, as long as they can be in control of it, at least.
“It is simply undeniable now that this is often the lowest cost source of generation,” Ethan Zindler, the head of U.S. research at Bloomberg New Energy Finance, told the Monitor. “So you can pat yourself on the back for doing something environmentally conscious, but at the same time, you’re also actually doing something to procure power at the lowest cost for your customers.”
Arizona Public Service (APS) is the largest investor-owned utility in the state, and it spent big money to help defeat a 2018 ballot initiative that would have required Arizona get 50 percent of its electricity from renewables by 2030.
However, because APS is “investor-owned,” the utility is now investing in solar and claims that solar plus batteries are an even cheaper option than natural gas power plants for peak power. The need for so-called gas “peaker plants” that can quickly ramp up electricity in times of peak demand is one of the energy industry’s favorite arguments against renewables and for natural gas.
But because investors want to make money, APS is moving forward with solar and batteries.
“This is a head-to-head [economic] comparison where we’re trying to select the best resources to meet our customers’ needs,” Brad Albert, vice president of resource management for APS, told Greentech Media.
In that head-to-head comparison, natural gas lost.
Historic shift: @APSfyi making big investment in batteries to capture surplus solar energy, which it says is now the most cost effective way to meet energy demand in the Southwest. https://t.co/qHv4H2dUbt
— Ryan Randazzo (@utilityreporter) February 21, 2019
As usual with the oil and gas industry, it’s best to watch what it does, not what it says.
The Permian Basin is the heart of the shale oil fracking boom in the U.S. and is producing so much natural gas along with the oil that the price of natural gas there actually went negative in 2018.
It takes a lot of electricity to power the fracking boom. And the Permian needs more. But is the industry taking advantage of all that cheap natural gas to produce that power?
Nope. Plans for new electricity generation in the heart of the Permian oil and gas region include a solar farm and the world’s largest battery.
Renewables have become the low-cost source for new power generation much faster than most anticipated, which is great news for the climate.
Natural gas, with its potent globe-warming effect, is a climate-killer. And a money loser.
If the lobbyists don’t win and the free market is allowed to work for power generation, natural gas — like coal — looks less and less like a “bridge fuel” and more like a fuel of the past.
264 Comments on "The Inevitable Death of Natural Gas as a ‘Bridge Fuel’"
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 5:46 am
“Are The Democrats Committing Electoral Suicide? WaPo Says Yes”
https://tinyurl.com/y2cjxu5t Authored by Tim Donner via LibertyNation.com
Democrats are misinterpreting their mandate and dramatically overestimating the popularity of their agenda…In an age where tribalism rules – that’s our narrative and we’re sticking to it, right or wrong – it is increasingly rare to experience the sensation of someone in the opposing tribe reinforcing our own view of things. That’s why it was instructive, if not heartening, to see a long-prominent liberal opinion writer at The Washington Post, of all places, provide unexpected affirmation of what is becoming increasingly clear to conservatives: The Democrats are laying the seeds of their own destruction in the 2020 election. Richard Cohen, more a conventional 20th century liberal than an AOC-inspired woke socialist, has penned a piece in WaPo entitled “Democrats are Handing Trump a Gift.” And it is quite useful in helping us understand how rank-and-file Democrats view the direction of their party. For while the resistance wing of the party receives most all of the attention these days, don’t kid yourself: There are millions of standard-issue Democrats who want their party to win, but are actually more concerned about the state of the nation than with taking down Donald Trump at any cost, or resorting to socialism to draw as sharp a contrast as possible with the president. Cohen starts with a bang in evaluating the perilous state of the Democrats as they head for the 2020 presidential election: “I don’t quite know what a handbasket is, but the Democratic Party is heading in one to electoral hell with its talk of socialism and reparations. The author has evidently not donned the blinders or rose-colored glasses so many on the left are wearing, in believing their increasingly radical brand of statism will appeal to the broader electorate. To punctuate his point, Cohen continues: “the party is … determined to give Donald Trump a fair shot at re-election by sabotaging itself. In fact, it’s veering so far to the left it could lose an election in 1950s Bulgaria. Democratic socialist ideas appear to be making significant headway in the party. The Democratic part is fine, the socialism part is not. It suggests a massive government intrusion in the economy that has not worked elsewhere — post-war Great Britain or that contemporary mess called Venezuela — and that, in a cultural sense, is un-American. Time and time again, the American people have shown they want nothing to do with socialism … imprecations of socialism and endorsements of reparations are anathema to the electorate, socially and racially fragmenting a nation that urgently needs unity.” But wait, there’s more: Cohen goes on to describe the wet-behind-the-ears socialist sensation Democrats are afraid to tame, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): “[AOC] is political poison, the product of a freak election in a New York City district where the past has taken root — socialism and a lot of rot about the evils of capitalism.”
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 6:02 am
“Shale Growth Is Nearing An Inflection Point”
https://tinyurl.com/y4836cwx Oil Price Dot Com
“But the U.S. shale industry has already begun to tap the brakes. Total U.S. oil rigs are stood at 853 for the week ending on February 22, down from a peak of 888 in November. In particular, the Permian – often held up as the most profitable and prolific shale basin – has seen the rig count decline to a nine-month low. Production continues to rise, to be sure, but the growth rate could soon flatten out. “We estimate that the y/y change in US oil drilling will, for the first time since 2016, turn negative by late May, should the current trend of gentle declines continue”
“At the same time, oil prices are rising again, and are up roughly 25 percent since the start of the year. If WTI tops $60, many shale drillers could find themselves feeling confident all over again, and could pour money and rigs back into the field. That said, multiple drillers have laid out more conservative and restrained drilling programs, facing pressure from shareholders not to overspend.”
“The industry is entering a new era of heightened scrutiny from shareholders. The financials seem to be improving, with some (only some) companies cash flow positive or on the verge of it. But they still expect to spend large amounts to grow production. This year will be an important marker for the health of the industry, after lofty promises of lower breakevens, efficiency gains and a cash flow-centric strategy. Time will tell.”
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 6:05 am
“Germany is an economic and demographic basket case.”
Says the board’s self-styled economic and financial “expert”.
https://www.thelocal.de/20170130/germany-overtakes-china-as-worlds-richest-exporter
Demographically it is indeed in decline (what happened btw to environmental concerns?), but if we manage to escape in time from the libtard empire and its anti-white value system, no irreversible damage has been done. Just keep invaders out and a population reduction from 80 to 60 million would be fine.
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 6:35 am
“Germany is an economic and demographic basket case.” “Says the board’s self-styled economic and financial “expert”.
That is not saying much with people like you, makato, and juanpee IOW the bar is not very high.
“https://www.thelocal.de/20170130/germany-overtakes-china-as-worlds-richest-exporter”
AH, clogged, go find the amount of those export that are inter-EU and get back to me. We know Germany has the EU rigged in its favor so their exports re skewed. You love fake data.
Antius on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 6:40 am
I’m not saying that Germany and Japan do not have problems. But both economies are bolstered by the fact that they sell high-tech, globally tradable manufactures that are always in demand and that few if any other countries can make. If you want good quality electric motors or other machine parts, you buy them from Germany. It’s that simple.
It is telling that since 2008, Germany is the only EU country that has not experienced a decline in per capita prosperity (at least before tax). It has an ageing population of course and it has made a number of rods for its own back. But its manufacturing dominance has allowed it to take a lot of punishment without any reduction in earnings. It even endures some of the highest energy costs in Europe.
FuelShortageComing on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 7:31 am
My father was really upset when he saw manufacturing leave Canada
Once a country let go of its manufacturing it lose its ability to control the future and destiny. Canada is now stuck in a high inflationary spiral. There seem to be no ends to this inflationary spiral. Package size is deceasing (450g to 400g for some cheese) for the same price
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mgYcL3OFO0
Housing is now out of reach for most Canadians. I don’t see how Canada will survive the oil shock. We manufacture nothing. Once sea shipping stop, Canada is dead and its citizens tos
FuelShortageComing on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 8:22 am
I was talking about Canada inflationary spiral. Here is some more bad news
Canada’s economy practically grinds to a halt — and nobody saw it coming
https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/weaker-gdp-than-anyone-expected-shows-canadian-growth-stalling
Bringing more immigrants does not work anymore because more of them are third worlder with not real life skill and are becoming a drain on Canada finance because they are using social assistance. Immigrantion need to stop because it is now accelerating the destruction Western nation
peakyeast on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 8:41 am
@Antius: Re: Tommy Robinson and BBC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNd2bvLvyk4
This video shows the inner operations of BBC panorama: It is used a tool to take down unwanted public figures…
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 10:46 am
Another top-brexiteer hints he might back May’s deal:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6759989/Moderate-Tory-group-leader-warns-Theresa-significant-REBELLION-no-deal-Brexit.html
“Is PM about to pull Brexit meaningful vote forward a WEEK? Whips order MPs to Commons next Wednesday as Dominic Raab becomes latest senior Brexiteer to hint he might BACK May’s deal”
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 12:30 pm
Come to think about it. Maybe it would be better for all of us if somebody just shot me and put me out of my misery.
JuanPee identity theft on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 12:54 pm
Not Davy
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 12:30 pm
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 12:55 pm
JuanPee, your days are numbered. Anyone who lives and thinks like you do will be dead before long. You are just looking for trouble and it will find you.
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 12:57 pm
“Best Brexit you can get”-latest:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6759989/Moderate-Tory-group-leader-warns-Theresa-significant-REBELLION-no-deal-Brexit.html
“Is May edging closer to sealing the deal? DUP hardliners signal they might BACK a new Brexit deal amid reports that the PM could bring meaningful vote forward a WEEK”
The DUP-domino has fallen. Now they all likely fall.
Mitch on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 12:59 pm
We all thank you Davy, for taking the time out of your hectic schedule to search through five years of comments to find those nine posts by JuanP.
I’ll be the first to admit, I agree with much of what JuanP said.
I have to ask you though. Are you one of those ‘normal‘ people that JuanP was talking about Davy? It sure sounds to me like you are.
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 1:04 pm
Juanpee, sock mitch the bitch is out to play. What a nutcase duo. Juanpee’s brain is not big enough to maintain multiple sock personalities so he decided to change Boney Joe’s name to Mitch the bitch.
The Real JuanPee on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 1:05 pm
Mitch the bitch do you mean this:
JuanP on Thu, 30th Jun 2016 4:56 pm
I think I could use my antisocial, psychopathic, sociopathic skills to convince people to vote for Trump. I can be very convincing when I want and I am excellent at manipulating people.
JuanP on Sun, 30th Aug 2015 5:40 am
…then you simply have a higher opinion of humans than I do. But what can I do? I am after all an admitted antisocial misanthrope. I just think most people suck!
JuanP on Fri, 12th Aug 2016 10:58 am
I stopped caring about humanity’s future a long time ago once I realized it was a waste of my time and energy. Now I think that it would be best for life on Earth if we ceased to exist as a species.
JuanP on Wed, 14th Sep 2016 9:59 pm
I struggle with the fact that I belong to the same species; I find myself emotionally and intellectually incapable of accepting the fact. That is why I consider myself a sui generis individual rather than a human animal.
JuanP on Sun, 26th Jun 2016 12:22 am
As far as I am concerned human beings are a bunch of arrogant and retarded ignorant fools and they deserve what’s coming. Call me selfish if you want, I don’t give a fuck!
JuanP on Fri, 15th May 2015 11:21 am
I did therapy for over a decade and most of it was a waste, but I had one therapist for a year who understood my issues and that helped, though I am still thoroughly screwed up.
JuanP on Tue, 22nd Dec 2015 6:57 am
They make me smile and happy and give me a brief respite from my cronic and acute depression.
JuanP on Sun, 17th Aug 2014 8:19 pm
I have suffered from cronic and acute clinical depression for most of my life, but I wouldn’t have it any other way.
JuanP on Mon, 23rd May 2016 8:53 am
I was just telling my wife yesterday that I would very willingly give my arms, legs, tongue, eyes, ears, nuts, and dick to experience life like normal people do for just one hour to know what it feels like. I have been a seriously depressed realist since I have a memory. My first memory of my life is of leaning against a tree alone in my kindergarten’s playground looking at all the other kids playing, thinking how stupid their behavior was, and wondering why I wasn’t like them. I basically don’t interact with normal people anymore. They have nothing to offer me and I don’t want to give them anything.
I am back, bitches! I just got back from a surfing vacation in Costa Rica. I am recharged and refreshed, and ready to continue fucking with the Exceptionalist and his multiple personalities for the foreseeable future.
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 1:10 pm
Not me
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 12:55 pm
I know that JuanP is an upstanding member of his community. That makes me feel real jealous and terrible about myself.
I also know that JuanP hasn’t made one single post in two weeks, and all of the rest of you guys are paying me back now for all those years of my bullshit and abuse.
JuanP identity theft on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 1:28 pm
Not Davy
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 1:10 pm
Robert Inget on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 1:41 pm
Shale rig count down to lowest levels in decade.
Looks like investors ran out of patience or money or both. China’s shale trial ended in disaster for
lack of experts.
Fasten seat belts Canadians. At present there are only two almost untapped oil sands reserves world-wide. (the one in Venezuela won’t be ready for prime time for years)
If you are looking for LT dividends check out
Canada’s oil sands mining producers.
Davy identity theft on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 2:01 pm
Not Davy
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 1:10 pm
JuanP on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 2:04 pm
Davy, your threat is duly noted and has already been forwarded to Miami PD.
“JuanPee, your days are numbered. Anyone who lives and thinks like you do will be dead before long. You are just looking for trouble and it will find you.” Davy
Davy on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 2:21 pm
Lookie there the fucking coward appears playing his sock tune. JuanP go fuck yourself silly.
joe on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 2:24 pm
peakyeast on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 8:41 am
Dude that’s the best thing I think I’ve ever seen.
Thank you so much for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNd2bvLvyk4
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 2:26 pm
Opportunity for new trade deals as far as the eye can see.
But what about standards?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6761037/US-demands-UK-DROPS-barriers-low-quality-food-imports-post-Brexit-trade-deal.html
Fears Britain will be flooded with chlorinated chicken and hormone-boosted beef as US demands UK DROPS ‘barriers’ to low-quality food imports in a post-Brexit trade deal
– US wants ‘unwarranted barriers’ to food and drink imports removed
– Released document outlining desires for trade deal on Friday
– The NFU raised concerns over food safety and animal welfare
– Downing Street vows: ‘We will not lower our food standards’
joe on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 2:32 pm
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 12:57 pm
Erm, its never a good idea to laugh at the group of W.A.S.P peoples in their native land. Are you aware that right now the second biggest party in Rep of Ireland is merging with second biggest in N.I. The biggest party on the island of Ireland is Sinn Fein, which only became pro-european when they saw a route to a untied nationalist island through Brussels. That leaves over a million wasp (white anglo Scottish protestants) with little or no representation and a very big historical chip on its shoulders.
Not gonna end well for the backstop.
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 2:39 pm
peakyeast on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 8:41 am
Dude that’s the best thing I think I’ve ever seen.
Thank you so much for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNd2bvLvyk4
I’m amazed that peakyeast is into these things. Pleasantly surprised.
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 2:53 pm
Erm, its never a good idea to laugh at the group of W.A.S.P peoples in their native land. Are you aware that right now the second biggest party in Rep of Ireland is merging with second biggest in N.I. The biggest party on the island of Ireland is Sinn Fein, which only became pro-european when they saw a route to a untied nationalist island through Brussels. That leaves over a million wasp (white anglo Scottish protestants) with little or no representation and a very big historical chip on its shoulders.
Not gonna end well for the backstop.
How long do you think you can keep 1.87 million people from Northern Ireland within the UK?
44% Catholic, 44% Protestant.
GDP Ireland – $73k PPP
GDP UK – $46k PPP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
You are right, Ireland could very well become united because of Brussels.
From a colony of Britain, mostly known for alcohol abuse and potato famine, it is now one of the most prosperous countries in Europe.
Europe is a political entity where Christian religion no longer plays a defining role. This has had a dampening effect on religious strife in Northern Ireland.
I can imagine a dynamic where the border of Northern Island is going to be misused as a “cat-flap” into the EU for illegal produce, forcing the EU to reintroduce a hard border, giving the Northern Irish reason to rethink their membership of the UK, while enjoying eating a chlorinated chicken.
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 2:57 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-45391529
“Brexit ‘could create a majority for a united Ireland'”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/13/ireland-brexit-good-friday-agreement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoFnxT3chuU
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-northern-ireland-border-how-to-break-the-brexit-impasse-reunite-ireland/
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 5:43 pm
Gap, Victoria’s Secret and even Tesla: 4,300 store closures already announced this year
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/01/gap-victorias-secret-tesla-store-closures-hit-malls-in-the-middle.html?__source=facebook%7Cmain&fbclid=IwAR0Kk1UVh9OyoBbMiSfz3wOqDG-z695hjwrWgcMMDEXA7iJRsmyS4T2G7Ns
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 7:34 pm
The End of Our World Order Is Imminent
At least 200 empires have risen and fallen over the course of history, and the United States will be no exception.
https://www.thenation.com/article/end-of-world-order-empire-climate-change/
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 8:09 pm
In America, talk turns to something unspoken for 150 years: Civil war
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-america-talk-turns-to-something-unspoken-for-150-years-civil-war/2019/02/28/b3733af8-3ae4-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b2f79731fffa
There you go Clogg add it to your blog! Washington Post out of DC is even talking about a civil war now!
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 8:40 pm
AOC needs to purge the Democratic Party of it’s fucking 80yo geriatric members. We’re trying to prepare for near term human extinction, not the “Russian” menace..
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 9:18 pm
The Soviet Union won WW2..At least in Europe they did..
Over eighty-five percent of ALL German casualties were caused by the Soviets..
Communism will win!
Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 12:33 am
The End of Our World Order Is Imminent
At least 200 empires have risen and fallen over the course of history, and the United States will be no exception.
https://www.thenation.com/article/end-of-world-order-empire-climate-change/
Thanks mob, nice way to start the weekend! Finally you are seeing the light.
There you go Clogg add it to your blog! Washington Post out of DC is even talking about a civil war now!
I have so many already, thanks to you, but if you insist, I mean if even (((The Bezos Post))) by mouth of a (((Greg Jaffe))) begins to pontificate about the subject, than it must be true.
Timing is bad though. Will be in Southern Europe tonight, consuming the last vacation days of my current contract in a 5* hotel, while celebrating the extension of another year and I need to worry about fighting my typical Dutch frugality and start spending all the cash, before WW3/CW2 could wipe it all out. Will be spending my days next to the pool with my 40 year old Dutch translation of the US physics classic Alonso & Finn, volume 6, about thermodynamics, the queen of physics…
https://www.amazon.com/Fundamental-University-Physics-Quantum-Statistical/dp/B0000COBZV/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1
…and prepare for the days after IT, when I will concentrate on energy storage.
Communism will win!
It will, in Upstate New York it will. I mean it must be with all these Israelis around, after they had to abandon Palestine, that short-lived Khazarian-Askenazim colony.
The Soviet Union won WW2..At least in Europe they did.
BS, everybody lost, except global jewry, that had instigated the war and got control over most of the white race and began to destroy it with multicult. Stalin knew he lost because he failed to conquer entire Europe. And with a useless economic system in the long run he was bound to lose from the capitalists. He did not attend the Soviet victory parade in Moscow for that very reason. And the reason why he lost was the German surprise attack in 1941, preempting a Soviet attack, which would have brought the Red Army to the shores of the Atlantic and cemented communism in entire Eurasia. Thanks to Dolfie we in western Europe were stuck with the lesser American evil. But the USSR went belly up in 1991 and the US will be gone by 2025. As Lord Heseltine already remarked, Germany will win WW2:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/lord-heseltine-suggests-brexit-allowing-germany-win-world-war/
Germany, embedded in PBM, will finally have its well-deserved century, the 21st one.
#MEGA
Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 5:26 am
“Davy I bet that big ole tub of lard wife (sister) of yours loves Cheeseburgers..I know how you rural americans roll..LOL”
My wife is Italian and comes from the 2nd healthiest country in world behind Spain. She is a great cook and in good shape. I imagine you are an ugly pale young kid with a sniveling nose who eats shit food and looks like shit all the time.
To the credit of empire dave, he values European, well, values.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 5:47 am
Clogg, I have a high respect for European values. I am married to a European and my daughter is one. I also look down upon people like you that have ruined Europe and the world.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 6:29 am
Joe diGenova’s advice to patriots: It’s a ‘civil war’ - ’I buy guns’
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/22/joe-digenovas-advice-patriots-its-civil-war-i-buy-/
There you go clogg one more..
Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 6:46 am
I have to admit though. My wife and my daughter have zero respect for me. Neither one of them will even talk to me anymore. I have no idea why.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 7:12 am
Davy
Your daughter called you daddy for 18 years..
Now its our turn..
LOL
Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 8:04 am
MOB, to bad you will never have kids and we are grateful as a species you won’t. Too bad you were not aborted. People like you are the scum of the earth. Humans are self destructing because of your behavior. I feel sorry for dems in 2020 because of scum like you.
JuanPee identity theft on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 8:04 am
Not Davy
Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 6:46 am
Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 9:38 am
Oops, sorry everyone. I meant to say ‘too’ bad.
Stupid cellphone spell chekker.
JuanPee identity theft on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 9:42 am
Not Davy
Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 9:38 am
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 1:28 pm
Davy
Too bad I didn’t have kids? Actually its a good thing unless you want them to die in the greatest disaster in human history..You will regret having children in the not to distant future..That is a certainty..
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 1:59 pm
GOP Arizona Lawmaker Claims Vaccinations Are ‘Communist’
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gop-state-rep-claims-vaccinations-are-communist_n_5c794b85e4b087c2f2957d8e
Anonymouse on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 2:21 pm
You are one sick life-form DavyMOB. There has some other place your can live out your multi-polar, fairly unbalanced existence. Clearly that fantasy farm of yours is not up to the task. If it was, you wouldnt be argueing with everyone here, and yourself, non-stop.
I know, how about you and ‘Mob’, go have a nice chat with some of the nice people at whatever public mental health facilities still exist in your backwoods state. Mak has been kind enough to link you some places you can start, even though it is not our ‘job’ to look after you I AM THE DAVYMOB. If you only had family, any kind of family, they could see you and ‘MOB’, placed under supervised care, with no internet access. Wouldnt you like that DavyMOB? All the free mush you can cram down your gullet, and all the group therapy that publicly funded health can buy. You need to stop making excuses, and gtfo out of here, ‘both’ of you.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 2:32 pm
anon, when was the last time you said something intelligent you immature prick? You are wasting our time here fuck wack. Go hang out on a low life anti-American Canadian site.
NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 3:09 pm
anontarded whyu bothering supertard
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 3:35 pm
Prom in the South
https://i.redd.it/s9v2l7rcdpj21.jpg
Those are some big pieces of white meat!
Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 4:33 pm
Is it any wonder why my family exiled me to the most deplorable locale in all of the US second only to Harlan County, KY?
Will you be my friend? I promise to play nice.