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The Inevitable Death of Natural Gas as a ‘Bridge Fuel’
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti recently announced the city is scrapping plans for a multi-billion-dollar update to three natural gas power plants, instead choosing to invest in renewable energy and storage.
“This is the beginning of the end of natural gas in Los Angeles,” said Mayor Garcetti. “The climate crisis demands that we move more quickly to end dependence on fossil fuel, and that’s what today is all about.”
Last year America’s carbon emissions rose over 3 percent, despite coal plants closing and being replaced in part by natural gas, the much-touted “bridge fuel” and “cleaner” fossil fuel alternative.
As a new series from the sustainability think tank the Sightline Institute points out, the idea of natural gas as a bridge fuel is “alarmingly deceptive.”
But signs are emerging that, despite oil and gas industry efforts to shirk blame for the climate crisis and promote gas as part of a “lower-carbon fuel mix,” the illusion of natural gas as a bridge fuel is starting to crumble.
Market Forces
While Mayor Garcetti may be right in predicting the downward slide of natural gas for power generation, climate concerns won’t drive that change — just simple economics.
It wasn’t long ago that President Obama — who was accused of starting “the war on coal” because of air quality regulations — was touting the benefits of “clean coal.” But automation in the coal mining industry and competition with cheaper renewables and natural gas began taking a toll on coal.
The struggling coal industry thought things were looking up when Donald Trump was elected, with his promise to bring back coal.
But he has failed.
Most recently, President Trump tweeted that the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) should vote to keep two old coal power plants open.
Coal is an important part of our electricity generation mix and @TVAnews should give serious consideration to all factors before voting to close viable power plants, like Paradise #3 in Kentucky!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 11, 2019
Nevertheless, the TVA voted to close those coal plants and said it expected the move would save a billion dollars in future costs. Burning coal for electricity is increasingly incompatible with profits.
Gary Jones, the economic development director for the Kentucky county where one of the closing coal plants is located, acknowledged this economic reality in his comments to The Wall Street Journal, saying: “We definitely don’t blame him [Trump] for this. It’s the market.”
Exactly. Coal can’t compete with the historically low and unsustainable price of natural gas in the U.S. when it comes to power generation. And it can’t compete with renewables either.
In July 2016 I wrote the following about a presentation on coal at the annual Energy Information Administration conference:
“The presentation on India ended with the following conclusion: Cheap coal remains critical to Indian economic growth.”
India was all-in on coal for the next few decades, and yet in the two and half years since I wrote that, renewables have been hurting India’s coal industry. Why?
Just like in Tennessee and Kentucky, it’s the market. But it isn’t natural gas taking down coal in India, it’s wind and solar, according to a recent Reuters column by Clyde Russell:
“… the main reason coal may battle to fuel India’s future energy needs is that it’s simply becoming too expensive relative to renewable energy alternatives such as wind and solar.”
A coal power plant in Datteln, Germany. Credit: Cropped from image by Arnold Paul, CC BY–SA 2.5
A similar situation is unfolding in Germany, which aims to close all its coal plants in the next 20 years. The natural gas industry initially saw this as an opportunity to slide in and replace coal, but the lower cost of renewable energy may lead Germany to skip the “bridge” offered by natural gas and move straight to renewables, which already provide over 40 percent of the nation’s power.
According to Bloomberg, a large German energy company’s study predicts natural gas use in Germany (and other European countries) will likely decline. Why?
“… the cost of solar and battery systems will fall far enough that renewables may become the most cost-effective way to generate new flows of electricity.”
Compare that to 2014, when industry giants were trash-talking the future of renewables in Europe. At an energy industry conference, Paolo Scaroni, the CEO of oil and gas company Eni, said that Europe is realizing that renewables are “more a problem than a solution,” and Siemens CEO Joe Kaeser said, “Using solar panels in Germany is like growing pineapples in Alaska.”
Now renewables are the solution. And that certainly poses a problem for the fossil fuel industry.
Coal is dead. Soon enough, natural gas will also be dead. The economics alone will drive the world to wind & solar.
An appropriate recognition of the social cost of CO2 & methane will greatly accelerate this transition. https://t.co/lZUF8iXhmr
— Robert Howarth (@howarth_cornell) February 20, 2019
Building new natural gas infrastructure looks like a bad investment right now to cities like LA when renewables are already competitive. Natural gas seems poised to join coal as another fuel that just couldn’t compete with renewables.
Here are more reasons why that’s the case.
Natural Gas Prices Headed Up, Renewables Down
A Nordex wind turbine parts manufacturing facility in Jonesboro, Arkansas. Credit: Department of Energy, public domain
The price of renewable energy and storage is trending downward while the already super-low price of natural gas — especially in the U.S. — has nowhere to go but up.
While India and Germany already are finding renewables cheaper than fossil fuels for power generation with today’s technology, further advances in research and development as well as manufacturing will continue making renewables even more competitive.
MIT professor and former CIA director John Deutch recently presented a study entitled, “Demonstrating Near Carbon Free Electricity Generation from Renewables and Storage,” at a Stanford University energy seminar, in which he said:
“You are going to find yourselves very shortly in a situation where you have storage alternatives that, when matched with existing solar and wind generating systems, will be able to meet load extremely effectively.”
Meeting power demand effectively and as the lowest-cost producer — using fuel sources (wind and sun) that are free.
According to Greentech Media, energy industry analysts at Wood Mackenzie say the combination of renewables with battery systems can currently replace approximately two-thirds of U.S. natural gas turbines — right now. Estimates predict the cost of storage alone could drop 80 percent by 2040.
Who wants to own a gas power plant in 2040 knowing that?
Meanwhile, the cost of producing power with natural gas is dependent on the cost of the fuel.
Right now, gas companies are losing money — and have been for some time — at the current price of natural gas in America. As DeSmog has detailed, the fracking industry, which is responsible for most U.S. natural gas production, has been on a decade-long, money-losing streak.
The industry has proven unable to turn a profit at current natural gas prices. So, unless Wall Street wants to lose billions more subsidizing the natural gas industry, prices will have to go up at some point. And when natural gas prices go up, residential electricity rates go up.
Additionally, if all of the planned infrastructure gets built to export U.S. natural gas in liquid form (known as liquefied natural gas, or LNG), prices for natural gas are very likely to rise. This is the industry’s survival plan for the future. However, the higher prices natural gas producers need possibly will kill off one of the industry’s main markets.
☀️ Solar is beginning to outshine other forms of energy in Alberta. Three new #solar farms—which will provide the provincial government with 55% of its electricity needs—were contracted at a lower cost than natural gas. #abpoli https://t.co/NhwN4z9S6H pic.twitter.com/egTS6qPq6W
— Clean Energy Canada (@cleanenergycan) February 19, 2019
Tom DiCapua, managing director of wholesale energy services at Con Edison Energy, recently summed up the situation to Reuters: “As LNG exports increase, so will future gas prices.”
When it comes to the long-term economics of power generation, it isn’t a fair fight. There is no clear way natural gas can compete with renewables on an economic basis in the coming decades. Which is why the oil and gas industry works so hard to convince people gas is clean and cheap.
It knows it can’t win a fair fight.
Structural Financial Issues With Natural Gas Industry
In a July 2017 Forbes column, energy industry expert Art Berman laid out the details of the structural problems in the finances of natural gas production. Since then, things have only gotten worse as huge volumes of gas are pumped simultaneously out of Permian oil wells in Texas and New Mexico.
However, even before the huge ramp-up in the Permian, Berman made the case that the natural gas industry was producing record amounts of gas at prices in which companies could not make money. How could they do that?
Wall Street’s coffers.
As Berman explained, “Credit markets have been willing to support unprofitable shale gas drilling since the 2008 Financial Collapse.”
Of course, now credit markets are not as willing to loan money to shale companies to produce gas at a loss. Berman estimated that natural gas producers needed prices of $4 per million Btu of gas to break even. Prices are below $4, and the average price has been below that for years.
Not looking good for natural gas.
If You Can’t Beat Them, Join Them
In 2017, workers clean Heliostats at the Ivanpah Solar Project, a concentrated solar energy project. Credit: Dennis Shroeder, National Renewable Energy Lab, CC BY–NC–ND 2.0
Similar to the fossil fuel industry, electric utilities also have fought renewable energy options. In 2016, utilities in Florida spent almost $30 million to limit residents’ ability to install rooftop solar — perceived as a direct threat to the utilities.
Much like coal’s prospects in India, a couple of years has made a huge difference, however. In February, the Christian Science Monitor reported that utilities in Florida have begun embracing utility-owned solar farms. And while utilities have still been fighting residential rooftop solar, it’s started making gains in Florida anyway — despite regulatory restrictions.
“The utilities are putting out solar like you wouldn’t believe,” said James Fenton, director of the University of Central Florida’s Florida Solar Energy Center.
The utilities didn’t suddenly decide the climate was more important than profits. They just see a better path to profits with solar, as long as they can be in control of it, at least.
“It is simply undeniable now that this is often the lowest cost source of generation,” Ethan Zindler, the head of U.S. research at Bloomberg New Energy Finance, told the Monitor. “So you can pat yourself on the back for doing something environmentally conscious, but at the same time, you’re also actually doing something to procure power at the lowest cost for your customers.”
Arizona Public Service (APS) is the largest investor-owned utility in the state, and it spent big money to help defeat a 2018 ballot initiative that would have required Arizona get 50 percent of its electricity from renewables by 2030.
However, because APS is “investor-owned,” the utility is now investing in solar and claims that solar plus batteries are an even cheaper option than natural gas power plants for peak power. The need for so-called gas “peaker plants” that can quickly ramp up electricity in times of peak demand is one of the energy industry’s favorite arguments against renewables and for natural gas.
But because investors want to make money, APS is moving forward with solar and batteries.
“This is a head-to-head [economic] comparison where we’re trying to select the best resources to meet our customers’ needs,” Brad Albert, vice president of resource management for APS, told Greentech Media.
In that head-to-head comparison, natural gas lost.
Historic shift: @APSfyi making big investment in batteries to capture surplus solar energy, which it says is now the most cost effective way to meet energy demand in the Southwest. https://t.co/qHv4H2dUbt
— Ryan Randazzo (@utilityreporter) February 21, 2019
As usual with the oil and gas industry, it’s best to watch what it does, not what it says.
The Permian Basin is the heart of the shale oil fracking boom in the U.S. and is producing so much natural gas along with the oil that the price of natural gas there actually went negative in 2018.
It takes a lot of electricity to power the fracking boom. And the Permian needs more. But is the industry taking advantage of all that cheap natural gas to produce that power?
Nope. Plans for new electricity generation in the heart of the Permian oil and gas region include a solar farm and the world’s largest battery.
Renewables have become the low-cost source for new power generation much faster than most anticipated, which is great news for the climate.
Natural gas, with its potent globe-warming effect, is a climate-killer. And a money loser.
If the lobbyists don’t win and the free market is allowed to work for power generation, natural gas — like coal — looks less and less like a “bridge fuel” and more like a fuel of the past.
264 Comments on "The Inevitable Death of Natural Gas as a ‘Bridge Fuel’"
DerHundistLos on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 11:18 am
Fake science: The White House reportedly wants a new dodgy panel of scientists to challenge the government’s climate change findings
https://www.alternet.org/2019/02/fake-science-the-white-house-reportedly-wants-a-new-dodgy-panel-of-scientists-to-challenge-the-governments-climate-change-findings/
Robert Inget on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 12:56 pm
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2194781-earth-could-warm-by-14c-as-growing-emissions-destroy-crucial-clouds/
Clouds keep us cooler. DUH
tahoe1780 on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 1:17 pm
Coal emissions keep us cooler. Hmm?
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xudm8n
Robert Inget on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 1:20 pm
January in Southern Oregon was clear and cold,
really excellent PV weather. Then as luck would have it February turned into winter. The kind with snow covering all my expensive PV panels.
Days when it didn’t snow, (it’s the 25th) it rained.
Long depressing, cold, never-ending rain.
I couldn’t help feeing sorry for our friends ‘off the grid’. Thirty of the last 25 days we used up our ‘grid tie’ savings in the Bank of Pacific Power.
The next bill we get should be a lulu.
But, enough about me. Can an entire big city
get by, even with batteries, for a month W/O
solid sunshine? I would need batteries the size of
a semi trailer costing hundreds of thousands
that might last 10 or 12 days W/O recharge.
I hope our San Francisco neighbors know what they are doing. Natural gas is cheap.
Mark Twain commented, ‘I spent a lovely winter in SF one summer’.
Robert Inget on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 1:30 pm
tahoe,
I read something so alarming about coal, it sometimes wakes me up.
Like cloud cover, coal dust reflects sunlight.
When the planet stops burning coal, temps will rise beyond livability in much of the most populated regions. (a Google search)
Search Results
Web results
Global Warming FAQ | Union of Concerned Scientists
https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and…/global-warming-faq.html
May 24, 2018 – Does air pollution—specifically particulate matter (aerosols)—affect global warming? … When carbon (CO2 or carbon dioxide) and other heat-trapping emissions are … a blanket, holding heat in our atmosphere and warming the planet. … We all know that warming—and cooling—has happened in the past, …
Scientists have some pretty outlandish ideas for cooling the planet down
https://www.popsci.com/geoengineering-cool-planet-global-warming
Mar 22, 2018 – Ice is melting, and virtually no one is taking the carbon crisis as … This grim fact has scientists looking for a quick fix to keep warming at bay. … The chemical would reflect the sun’s light, cooling the planet, which is more or less … Here are three particularly impractical ideas that show why cutting pollution is …
Cleaning Up Air Pollution May Strengthen Global Warming – Scientific …
https://www.scientificamerican.com/…/cleaning-up-air-pollution-may-strengthen-glob…
Jan 22, 2018 – World leaders have set an ambitious goal of keeping global … half a degree of warming could push the planet into dangerous territory. … the world the way carbon dioxide and some other greenhouse gases do. … Scientists have long known that some types of pollution can actually help cool the climate.
Here’s what real science says about the role of CO2 as Earth’s …
blogs.discovermagazine.com/…/what-science-says-about-role-of-co2-in-climate-change/
by T Yulsman – Related articles
Mar 12, 2018 – By contrast, carbon dioxide, methane and other greenhouse gases do not — they are …… Trees cool the climate, by putting vast quantities of water into the atmosphere, …… It’s been estimated that human emissions of CO2 and other …… but enough negative feedback to keep the planet remarkably stable.
Carbon Dioxide Emissions Climb Again, Heating Up Earth’s Climate …
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/…/carbon-dioxide-emissions-are-up-again-what-now-clima…
Dec 5, 2018 – The fortuitous dip in emissions of the main greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide … next to figure out how to keep greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere, … that some of that air pollution had actually been cooling the atmosphere, …
Air pollution, facts and information – National Geographic
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/pollution/
6 days ago – Soot, smoke, mold, pollen, methane, and carbon dioxide are a just few examples of …. in the atmosphere, which keeps sunlight out and creates a cooling effect. … High stakes for the planet as carbon emissions rise again.
A brief history of the Earth’s CO2 – BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41671770
Oct 19, 2017 – As the planet cooled further some of the water vapour condensed out to … it massive emissions from the combustion of fossil fuels: coal and oil.
penury on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 2:08 pm
he fuel of the future. And the good news is that it will be too cheap to meter. Push LNG; the U.S. wants the E.U. market and the Chinese, we are wonderful and we will control the fuel supply for the world.Just think of the economic rewards if we can get LNG sold in dollars. Whee
george on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 2:11 pm
This author is living in a fools paradise.
Solyndra anyone ?
Laci on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 3:19 pm
Yeah, Renewables are so “cheap” that wind&solar champion, Germany, with about 20% of its electricity coming from such renewables has one of the world’s highest costs of electricity. And we did not get to the costs of electricity storage yet.
baha on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 4:23 pm
Bitch and moan all you want…The world is changing around you!
Cloggie on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 4:25 pm
“Yeah, Renewables are so “cheap” that wind&solar champion, Germany, with about 20% of its electricity coming from such renewables has one of the world’s highest costs of electricity. And we did not get to the costs of electricity storage yet.”
That’s because half of the price id taxes:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/02/03/structure-electricity-prices-europe/
But yes, it costs extra money to create a renewable energy base from scratch. But once in place the running cost won’t ne different from a fossil fuel base:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/16/blueprint-100-renewable-energy-base-for-germany/
Cloggie on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 4:30 pm
BBC: All-time record-high Februari temperature: 20.6 C.
Free Speech Forum on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 6:04 pm
Americans used to believe in free speech.
makati1 on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 6:20 pm
George, you are totally correct. The author is living in techie LaLa Land. But then, most techies live there. Reality is too painful.
You have to remember this is Californication. The state that has shit on it’s streets, gives away millions of needles to the druggies and is so deep in debt it cannot even afford to build a high speed train system between its two biggest shities.
Where there are droughts, floods or fires big enough to wipe out whole towns. Not to mention that most of it is underlain with some major ground faults that are just itching to let go. The whole state should just slide into the sea.
Yep! Californication is full of…..bullshit like the above decision! From NG to solar. Hahahahahahaha!
Davy on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 6:25 pm
“BBC: All-time record-high Februari temperature: 20.6 C.”
I am experiencing the worst winter in at least 6 years. We have had it all but mostly cold, wet, windy, and grey. All this equals mud but the worst kind because if freezes and thaws. Gravel roads are liquefying. The crazy thing is we will have a few days of unseasonably warm then the temps crash. Hay is running short around here. Prices have doubled. When spring does come the fields are going to explode with life because of all the moisture.
Davy on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 6:36 pm
“Hydrogen Cars Struggle To Compete With Electric Vehicles”
https://tinyurl.com/y2tf3cbp
Authored by Vanand Meliksetian via Oilprice.com,
“Virtually all big auto brands have several EV models planned for the coming years. Hydrogen, however, is not part of the hype.”
“A reason for hydrolysis’ low applicability is the massive amount of water required for its production. A fuel cell vehicle, FCV, requires 13 gallons of water for each mile. In general, the reforming of natural gas by creating a reaction with carbon dioxide under high-temperature steam is the cheapest and most efficient method. A common mistake about hydrogen is that it’s an energy source instead of an energy carrier. The latter requires an external source of energy to ‘split’ the H2O molecule, or water, into hydrogen and oxygen. Currently, the process is relatively inefficient leading to higher costs compared to alternatives such as EVs.”
“At the moment, only Toyota, Hyundai and Honda offer an FCV which has a higher price tag than other vehicles of comparable size and capabilities. In the U.S., on average, a fuel cell vehicle costs $60,000 which is more than EV models. The necessity of expensive metals including platinum, titanium and carbon fibers to produce the fuel cell and the hydrogen storage systems means higher prices. Also, the FCV currently offered on the market are not mass-produced. It means that significant cost reductions are possible in time if the necessary resources are invested in further research. Inefficiency and high costs of hydrogen production are downsides of FCV. Hydrogen costs €10 for each kilogram in the EU and $14 in the U.S. which is sufficient for 100 kilometers or 62 miles. In contrast, EVs are much more efficient with ‘merely’ 31 percent loss of energy. In the case of FCV, the conversion, electrolysis and the converting of hydrogen into electricity requires a significant amount of energy which affects its efficiency.”
“Furthermore, FCVs require an additional infrastructure to transport hydrogen to consumers. The system would resemble the traditional oil industry such as pipelines, storages, and refueling stations. EVs, however, require a far lower investment in transportation infrastructure due to the already existing electricity grid. Although the expansion of capacity could be needed, EVs have the added value that they can be used as batteries for smart grid appliances. The technology behind EVs is ripe to be used on a massive scale which has led to an impressive increase in sales with practically all significant automakers entering the market. However, the mass production of batteries could be a risk due to resource scarcity. FCVs don’t share the same issues, but instead, other challenges need to be overcome.”
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 6:47 pm
US President to EU: Play ball or ‘we’re going to tariff the hell out of you’
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-trade-to-europe-play-ball-or-were-going-to-tariff-the-hell-out-of-you/
Pete Bauer on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 6:54 pm
big oil which has taken over natgas companies tries to put all blame on coal and kill it.
I am sure king coal will fight back using electric vehicles and mount an attack on big oil.
coal consumption is still rising in china, because coal is transformed into methanol and blended with petrol. but the thieves bp report that under oil consumption to fool everyone.
of course renewables are rising steadily with the help of storage and will take a pie in the energy mix.
Sissyfuss on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 7:54 pm
Walk towards the light, Clozeemodo. The gentle warming is being replaced by a methane throttled Jet Stream that will break the four seasons into 8,12, maybe 365. Why aren’t you living underground Clokbait? Something low profile for the coming storms of our grandchildren.
Sissyfuss on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 7:57 pm
Pete, how much smaller is the carbon footprint with coal transformation than just burning it?
makati1 on Mon, 25th Feb 2019 9:42 pm
Sissyfuss, the Jet Stream used to have a fairly regular circle around the N.Pole, but these last few decades, it has gotten wobbly. When I was a kid some 65 years ago, the weather in Pennsylvania was very predictable. Now, my sister keeps telling me how erratic it is. Easy to see here:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=-222.49,76.98,425
Oilprice.com on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 12:07 am
Dearest dumbass Davy,
FYI stupid:
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JuanP sock on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 5:21 am
Oilprice.com on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 12:07 am
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 6:44 am
Belief in conspiracy theories makes people more likely to engage in low-level crime
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-02/uok-bic022519.php
This is where delusional thinking takes you..
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 10:59 am
Wall Street Loses Faith In Shale
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Wall-Street-Loses-Faith-In-Shale.html
Robert Inget on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 11:12 am
I Am The Mob is Boss
Cloggie on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 11:58 am
“I Am The Mob is Boss”
Tribal thingy, where folks like davy and sissy will betray their own kind at every turn of the way.
Note that mobster has ad nauseum stated that he wants to kill millions of Russians in an unprovoked nuclear first strike and in general wants to see white America destroyec and raped.
But the bobster is cheering him on, all the while shouting “natzi” against anybody who opposes the agenda of bobster and mobster.
The only thing that helps is robust measures, measures pussies like davy and sissy are too lame to organize.
Chrome Mags on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 12:02 pm
“Fake science: The White House reportedly wants a new dodgy panel of scientists to challenge the government’s climate change findings.”
It’s Trump’s alternate reality, in which he tries to force others into his view of it. His intelligence advisors told him NK does have missiles to carry nuclear warheads, but Putin told him otherwise, so Trump sides with Putin. The pesticide that kills bees was banned, then the ban was lifted by Trump. You see he goes with his gut.
Trump is ready to celebrate a new agreement with China to settle the trade dispute, but all that China will offer is a Memorandum of Understanding.
There was too much push back on a huge military parade, so Trump is having a 4th of July celebration of him being “The People’s Greatest President.” Trump groped women, had affairs and directed Cohen to pay hush money to quiet them, then in his alternate reality none of that ever happened.
If you can squeeze your brain hard enough, you can fully accept Trump’s alternate reality. If this continues, it could reach a point in which Trump could claim a green car is blue and then denigrate anyone that differed on that point. Eventually all US citizens would have to accept that all green cars are blue.
Davy on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 1:18 pm
“Tribal thingy, where folks like davy and sissy will betray their own kind at every turn of the way.”
We are humans you are a subhuman full of hate and resentment. I am referring to sis. Mob is subhuman on the other side of the scale. This is why you two have he love/hate thing going on.
Davy on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 1:39 pm
And IMA why I like you so much, Cloggie Sir.
Outcast_Searcher on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 1:58 pm
Let’s pretend wishes are reality. The word TRANSITION fuel is used for a reason. The world is not L.A.
It will take several decades to transition the world to green energy. We need to burn fossil fuels, to some extent in the mean time. Natural Gas is better in many ways than other economic alternatives.
So the world will continue to use Natural Gas as a major transitional fuel until something key happens in the world of energy. Political ranting in southern CA isn’t going to change the world, no matter how much the far left wishes it were so.
JuanP identity theft on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 2:56 pm
Not Davy
Davy on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 1:39 pm
Cloggie on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 3:04 pm
Two likely candidate motors to drive the renewable energy age:
– electro-motor
– Stirling engine
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/02/26/the-engines-of-the-renewable-energy-age/
NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 3:25 pm
friends
if putin called trump unstable then putin is stable
if nukular doesn’t exist because it’s an invention (ie. lie) of (((supertards))) then putin pointing nukular at us means either
putin has it or his cabinet is full of (((supertards)))
just thinking, absolutely _NO_ new info is added to this post, any new info is result of tard computing
Пожалуйста, ударьте антиамериканскую собаку, которую я сделал из гранита on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 3:29 pm
another conclusion
nukular doesn’t exist and it’s an invention by (((supertards))) (ie. lie) or that putin doesn’t have it.
or that putin is playin’ …he’s helping trump sever any appearance of close ties.
so this means PBBM is not as powaful as we’re led to believe?
again, no new info introduced to this post _ONLY_ some logical tard computing. creds go to eurotard
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 3:46 pm
Shut up Clogg you stupid old man..Time to put you in a home..And there you squeal about “Deep state” all you want..
LOL
Mitch on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 3:57 pm
JuanP is on a mission from God.
Mitch on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 4:02 pm
Davy, embrace love. Love your enemies, which is why I love you.
Note: I am NOT referencing
Homo you go
Les-bi-on our way
I love you
You love me
That’s ho-mo-sex-u-al-ity
Cloggie on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 4:17 pm
“Shut up Clogg you stupid old man..Time to put you in a home..And there you squeal about “Deep state” all you want..”
Look, the board sociopath is getting angry.lol
In the Darwinian world we are living in, it means he feels like a cornered animal. And no sideline support from the bobster can change anything, other than loss through public self-identifying.
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 4:37 pm
81-year-old Trump supporter assaulted over his MAGA hat
https://nypost.com/2019/02/26/81-year-old-trump-supporter-assaulted-over-his-maga-hat/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&fbclid=IwAR21lIcCmUw0RaGx-DJHkR5FCL1INP44NrJf_a0AnRjIBlY_r035UjrNr9g
HAHA! I bet he pooped his paints!
Cloggie on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 4:50 pm
Real panic here with antifa, chased through the streets of libtard bastion Berkeley:
https://youtu.be/ZqFVXZsdl_A
Can’t get enough of these pictures from Weimerica… because I know to what this will lead to.
makati1 on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 5:01 pm
LA cannot even build high speed rail because they are so deep in debt, and now they are talking about building a whole new power system. Californication just gets crazier and crazier every day.
If FFs expelled by politicians (bullshit and hot air) could be harnessed for energy, they would not need solar. LOL
makati1 on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 5:06 pm
Cloggie, it’s the 70s on steroids. Then, the blacks burned some of the cities. This time, anything goes. The drug level is exponentially higher. The financial stress level is off the charts and guns are used more often to settle disputes. Yes, watching Amerika implode is fascinating. Go Trump!
Cloggie on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 5:08 pm
https://russia-insider.com/en/frances-jewish-elites-demand-yellow-vest-protests-be-shut-down/ri26334
Wow, some nice insight into the real powerstructure in place in France, 1945.
“France’s Jewish Elites Demand Yellow Vest Protests Be Shut Down”
There can be no doubt how the koshers see the Yellow Vests, namely a white insurrection movement. And that is what itis
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 6:02 pm
Clogg
The US has been in much worse conditions and made it through..
You can wish upon a star all you want..And it still ain’t gonna happen..
Your region is headed towards a massive oil and gas shortage soon..And you will collapse hard and fast..
https://medium.com/@Cliffhanger1983/the-collapse-of-civilization-manifesto-2039c6a5327
LOL
makati1 on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 6:12 pm
MOB, with Russia ready to provide all the oil and NG Europe needs, not to mention the ME, your assertion is pure bullshit.
And, the US has NEVER been in the shithole it is in now and getting ready to be flushed. Your delusions are almost as bad as Davy’s. Maybe you need stronger drugs? lol
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 7:02 pm
Mak
Russia is peaking soon..
IEA: Russia’s oil output to reach its peak in 2020
http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/IEA-Russia%E2%80%99s-oil-output-to-reach-its-peak-in-2020.html
Russia’s Peak Oil Production Could Be Just Three Years Away
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russias-Peak-Oil-Production-Could-Be-Just-Three-Years-Away.html
Russian Oil Production Outlook to 2020
https://www.oxfordenergy.org/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Russian-Oil-Production-Outlook-to-2020-OIES-Energy-Insight.pdf
How many times do I have to repeat myself? You old people are a waste of time..way too fucking stubborn..
If you want to wish upon a star like Clogg and think Russia has endless supplies go right ahead..
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 7:17 pm
Italy’s Populist Insurgents Are Collapsing
Five Star has been humiliated in regional elections.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-02-26/italy-s-populist-insurgents-five-star-are-collapsing
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 7:35 pm
Aramco CEO says oil industry facing ‘a crisis of perception’
Saudi Aramco’s chief executive said on Tuesday the oil industry is facing “a crisis of perception” and the views of some observers that the end of oil is near with the rise of electric vehicles are illogical and not based on fact.
Amin Nasser, CEO of the national oil company of the world’s top crude-exporting country, told an industry event in London that demand for oil is expected to increase substantially, driven mainly by the transportation sector.
“Important stakeholders believe that the entire world will soon run on anything, but oil. These views are not based on logic and facts, and are formed mostly in response to pressure and hype,” he said in a rare, strongly worded remarks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/26/reuters-america-update-1-aramco-ceo-says-oil-industry-facing-a-crisis-of-perception.html
Robert Inget on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 8:39 pm
EARTHQUAKE! (fraccing)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-26/top-china-energy-firm-halts-shale-drilling-after-quakes-
Deadly earthquake caused directly by fraccing.
makati1 on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 9:42 pm
MOB: “In the longer term East Siberia, the Arctic and offshore regions and Russia’s tight oil resources offer further upside potential, which could keep overall production above 11mb/d during the next decade.
Sanctions are currently inhibiting progress in the Arctic and in the development of shale oil, but should these be removed the resource bases available for exploration and development are enormous. Indeed domestic and foreign companies are already exploring ways to work on Russia’s tight oil resources without contravening sanctions, which focus on shale oil only. As a result, it would seem that, barring another collapse in the oil price or a further tightening of sanctions, the longer term outlook for Russian oil production remains rather more positive than many would have imagined”
https://www.oxfordenergy.org/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Russian-Oil-Production-Outlook-to-2020-OIES-Energy-Insight.pdf
The other two articles are a lot of ifs and maybes and both indicate that investment will push the peak many years away. The US is trying to handicap that oil production because US corporations want to own it. US sanctions are all that is restricting increases and soon the US will be gone as a world power. Be patient and keep guzzling that anti Russian koolaid snowflake, as your own country goes down the shitter. LMAO
BTW: Did you even read your refs? Maybe you thought I would not. ^_^