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The Inevitable Death of Natural Gas as a ‘Bridge Fuel’
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti recently announced the city is scrapping plans for a multi-billion-dollar update to three natural gas power plants, instead choosing to invest in renewable energy and storage.
“This is the beginning of the end of natural gas in Los Angeles,” said Mayor Garcetti. “The climate crisis demands that we move more quickly to end dependence on fossil fuel, and that’s what today is all about.”
Last year America’s carbon emissions rose over 3 percent, despite coal plants closing and being replaced in part by natural gas, the much-touted “bridge fuel” and “cleaner” fossil fuel alternative.
As a new series from the sustainability think tank the Sightline Institute points out, the idea of natural gas as a bridge fuel is “alarmingly deceptive.”
But signs are emerging that, despite oil and gas industry efforts to shirk blame for the climate crisis and promote gas as part of a “lower-carbon fuel mix,” the illusion of natural gas as a bridge fuel is starting to crumble.
Market Forces
While Mayor Garcetti may be right in predicting the downward slide of natural gas for power generation, climate concerns won’t drive that change — just simple economics.
It wasn’t long ago that President Obama — who was accused of starting “the war on coal” because of air quality regulations — was touting the benefits of “clean coal.” But automation in the coal mining industry and competition with cheaper renewables and natural gas began taking a toll on coal.
The struggling coal industry thought things were looking up when Donald Trump was elected, with his promise to bring back coal.
But he has failed.
Most recently, President Trump tweeted that the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) should vote to keep two old coal power plants open.
Coal is an important part of our electricity generation mix and @TVAnews should give serious consideration to all factors before voting to close viable power plants, like Paradise #3 in Kentucky!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 11, 2019
Nevertheless, the TVA voted to close those coal plants and said it expected the move would save a billion dollars in future costs. Burning coal for electricity is increasingly incompatible with profits.
Gary Jones, the economic development director for the Kentucky county where one of the closing coal plants is located, acknowledged this economic reality in his comments to The Wall Street Journal, saying: “We definitely don’t blame him [Trump] for this. It’s the market.”
Exactly. Coal can’t compete with the historically low and unsustainable price of natural gas in the U.S. when it comes to power generation. And it can’t compete with renewables either.
In July 2016 I wrote the following about a presentation on coal at the annual Energy Information Administration conference:
“The presentation on India ended with the following conclusion: Cheap coal remains critical to Indian economic growth.”
India was all-in on coal for the next few decades, and yet in the two and half years since I wrote that, renewables have been hurting India’s coal industry. Why?
Just like in Tennessee and Kentucky, it’s the market. But it isn’t natural gas taking down coal in India, it’s wind and solar, according to a recent Reuters column by Clyde Russell:
“… the main reason coal may battle to fuel India’s future energy needs is that it’s simply becoming too expensive relative to renewable energy alternatives such as wind and solar.”
A coal power plant in Datteln, Germany. Credit: Cropped from image by Arnold Paul, CC BY–SA 2.5
A similar situation is unfolding in Germany, which aims to close all its coal plants in the next 20 years. The natural gas industry initially saw this as an opportunity to slide in and replace coal, but the lower cost of renewable energy may lead Germany to skip the “bridge” offered by natural gas and move straight to renewables, which already provide over 40 percent of the nation’s power.
According to Bloomberg, a large German energy company’s study predicts natural gas use in Germany (and other European countries) will likely decline. Why?
“… the cost of solar and battery systems will fall far enough that renewables may become the most cost-effective way to generate new flows of electricity.”
Compare that to 2014, when industry giants were trash-talking the future of renewables in Europe. At an energy industry conference, Paolo Scaroni, the CEO of oil and gas company Eni, said that Europe is realizing that renewables are “more a problem than a solution,” and Siemens CEO Joe Kaeser said, “Using solar panels in Germany is like growing pineapples in Alaska.”
Now renewables are the solution. And that certainly poses a problem for the fossil fuel industry.
Coal is dead. Soon enough, natural gas will also be dead. The economics alone will drive the world to wind & solar.
An appropriate recognition of the social cost of CO2 & methane will greatly accelerate this transition. https://t.co/lZUF8iXhmr
— Robert Howarth (@howarth_cornell) February 20, 2019
Building new natural gas infrastructure looks like a bad investment right now to cities like LA when renewables are already competitive. Natural gas seems poised to join coal as another fuel that just couldn’t compete with renewables.
Here are more reasons why that’s the case.
Natural Gas Prices Headed Up, Renewables Down
A Nordex wind turbine parts manufacturing facility in Jonesboro, Arkansas. Credit: Department of Energy, public domain
The price of renewable energy and storage is trending downward while the already super-low price of natural gas — especially in the U.S. — has nowhere to go but up.
While India and Germany already are finding renewables cheaper than fossil fuels for power generation with today’s technology, further advances in research and development as well as manufacturing will continue making renewables even more competitive.
MIT professor and former CIA director John Deutch recently presented a study entitled, “Demonstrating Near Carbon Free Electricity Generation from Renewables and Storage,” at a Stanford University energy seminar, in which he said:
“You are going to find yourselves very shortly in a situation where you have storage alternatives that, when matched with existing solar and wind generating systems, will be able to meet load extremely effectively.”
Meeting power demand effectively and as the lowest-cost producer — using fuel sources (wind and sun) that are free.
According to Greentech Media, energy industry analysts at Wood Mackenzie say the combination of renewables with battery systems can currently replace approximately two-thirds of U.S. natural gas turbines — right now. Estimates predict the cost of storage alone could drop 80 percent by 2040.
Who wants to own a gas power plant in 2040 knowing that?
Meanwhile, the cost of producing power with natural gas is dependent on the cost of the fuel.
Right now, gas companies are losing money — and have been for some time — at the current price of natural gas in America. As DeSmog has detailed, the fracking industry, which is responsible for most U.S. natural gas production, has been on a decade-long, money-losing streak.
The industry has proven unable to turn a profit at current natural gas prices. So, unless Wall Street wants to lose billions more subsidizing the natural gas industry, prices will have to go up at some point. And when natural gas prices go up, residential electricity rates go up.
Additionally, if all of the planned infrastructure gets built to export U.S. natural gas in liquid form (known as liquefied natural gas, or LNG), prices for natural gas are very likely to rise. This is the industry’s survival plan for the future. However, the higher prices natural gas producers need possibly will kill off one of the industry’s main markets.
☀️ Solar is beginning to outshine other forms of energy in Alberta. Three new #solar farms—which will provide the provincial government with 55% of its electricity needs—were contracted at a lower cost than natural gas. #abpoli https://t.co/NhwN4z9S6H pic.twitter.com/egTS6qPq6W
— Clean Energy Canada (@cleanenergycan) February 19, 2019
Tom DiCapua, managing director of wholesale energy services at Con Edison Energy, recently summed up the situation to Reuters: “As LNG exports increase, so will future gas prices.”
When it comes to the long-term economics of power generation, it isn’t a fair fight. There is no clear way natural gas can compete with renewables on an economic basis in the coming decades. Which is why the oil and gas industry works so hard to convince people gas is clean and cheap.
It knows it can’t win a fair fight.
Structural Financial Issues With Natural Gas Industry
In a July 2017 Forbes column, energy industry expert Art Berman laid out the details of the structural problems in the finances of natural gas production. Since then, things have only gotten worse as huge volumes of gas are pumped simultaneously out of Permian oil wells in Texas and New Mexico.
However, even before the huge ramp-up in the Permian, Berman made the case that the natural gas industry was producing record amounts of gas at prices in which companies could not make money. How could they do that?
Wall Street’s coffers.
As Berman explained, “Credit markets have been willing to support unprofitable shale gas drilling since the 2008 Financial Collapse.”
Of course, now credit markets are not as willing to loan money to shale companies to produce gas at a loss. Berman estimated that natural gas producers needed prices of $4 per million Btu of gas to break even. Prices are below $4, and the average price has been below that for years.
Not looking good for natural gas.
If You Can’t Beat Them, Join Them
In 2017, workers clean Heliostats at the Ivanpah Solar Project, a concentrated solar energy project. Credit: Dennis Shroeder, National Renewable Energy Lab, CC BY–NC–ND 2.0
Similar to the fossil fuel industry, electric utilities also have fought renewable energy options. In 2016, utilities in Florida spent almost $30 million to limit residents’ ability to install rooftop solar — perceived as a direct threat to the utilities.
Much like coal’s prospects in India, a couple of years has made a huge difference, however. In February, the Christian Science Monitor reported that utilities in Florida have begun embracing utility-owned solar farms. And while utilities have still been fighting residential rooftop solar, it’s started making gains in Florida anyway — despite regulatory restrictions.
“The utilities are putting out solar like you wouldn’t believe,” said James Fenton, director of the University of Central Florida’s Florida Solar Energy Center.
The utilities didn’t suddenly decide the climate was more important than profits. They just see a better path to profits with solar, as long as they can be in control of it, at least.
“It is simply undeniable now that this is often the lowest cost source of generation,” Ethan Zindler, the head of U.S. research at Bloomberg New Energy Finance, told the Monitor. “So you can pat yourself on the back for doing something environmentally conscious, but at the same time, you’re also actually doing something to procure power at the lowest cost for your customers.”
Arizona Public Service (APS) is the largest investor-owned utility in the state, and it spent big money to help defeat a 2018 ballot initiative that would have required Arizona get 50 percent of its electricity from renewables by 2030.
However, because APS is “investor-owned,” the utility is now investing in solar and claims that solar plus batteries are an even cheaper option than natural gas power plants for peak power. The need for so-called gas “peaker plants” that can quickly ramp up electricity in times of peak demand is one of the energy industry’s favorite arguments against renewables and for natural gas.
But because investors want to make money, APS is moving forward with solar and batteries.
“This is a head-to-head [economic] comparison where we’re trying to select the best resources to meet our customers’ needs,” Brad Albert, vice president of resource management for APS, told Greentech Media.
In that head-to-head comparison, natural gas lost.
Historic shift: @APSfyi making big investment in batteries to capture surplus solar energy, which it says is now the most cost effective way to meet energy demand in the Southwest. https://t.co/qHv4H2dUbt
— Ryan Randazzo (@utilityreporter) February 21, 2019
As usual with the oil and gas industry, it’s best to watch what it does, not what it says.
The Permian Basin is the heart of the shale oil fracking boom in the U.S. and is producing so much natural gas along with the oil that the price of natural gas there actually went negative in 2018.
It takes a lot of electricity to power the fracking boom. And the Permian needs more. But is the industry taking advantage of all that cheap natural gas to produce that power?
Nope. Plans for new electricity generation in the heart of the Permian oil and gas region include a solar farm and the world’s largest battery.
Renewables have become the low-cost source for new power generation much faster than most anticipated, which is great news for the climate.
Natural gas, with its potent globe-warming effect, is a climate-killer. And a money loser.
If the lobbyists don’t win and the free market is allowed to work for power generation, natural gas — like coal — looks less and less like a “bridge fuel” and more like a fuel of the past.
264 Comments on "The Inevitable Death of Natural Gas as a ‘Bridge Fuel’"
makati1 on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 9:45 pm
BTW MOB: Parroting USMSM propaganda does not make it so. Nor does using the same immature putdowns as if they actually work. Get a job!
Anonymouse on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 9:56 pm
DavyMob has a job mok, he is moderator and documentor-in-Chief here @ PO.com.
Right now, he is working hard at being a tard, while delusional Davy is ‘asleep’.
makati1 on Tue, 26th Feb 2019 10:40 pm
Sounds about right Anon. It really gets funny when “they” argue.
NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 12:27 am
bebe rexha gona be killed by her muzzie dad
Cloggie on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 1:00 am
Italy’s Populist Insurgents Are Collapsing
Five Star has been humiliated in regional elections.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-02-26/italy-s-populist-insurgents-five-star-are-collapsing
That’s not what the article says.
The leftist part of the populists (“five star”) have indeed suffered a defeat, but the hard core right-wingers haven’t:
“Five Star has been humiliated in regional elections. Its coalition partners in the League are profiting, but need to get their timing right on seizing power.”
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 3:57 am
Mak
Russia doesn’t have wall street to fund non profitable shale..And it wont make up for their conventional oil production decline..
Keep dreaming you anti american scum..
LOL
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 4:21 am
Thousands of migrant children reported they were sexually assaulted in U.S. custody
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/26/thousands-migrant-children-report-sexual-assaults-us-custody-border-detain/2988884002/
makati1 on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 5:10 am
MOB, Russia doesn’t need a casino to fund their government or their corporations. That and the lack of DEBT makes it all easier.
But you are a Russophobe so you don’t want to hear anything positive about Russia. Too bad. You are drowning in the USMSM propaganda.
Russia and China will be here long after the US goes down. And, if the US isn’t careful, that may be soon.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-25/now-were-not-threatening-anyone-russian-tv-lists-nuclear-targets-us
or
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/the-hit-list-the-u-s-cities-russia-will-target-with-hypersonic-nuclear-missiles_02262019
That 3AM flash/boom may be closer than you think. LOL
BTW: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/as-the-perfect-storm-approaches-most-americans-are-partying-instead-of-preparing
PARTY ON! LMAO
Antius on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 5:35 am
“Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti recently announced the city is scrapping plans for a multi-billion-dollar update to three natural gas power plants, instead choosing to invest in renewable energy and storage.”
A rather questionable decision, given that CCGTs burning gas have the lowest CO2 emissions of any FF power plant. They are also the most suitable back-up power plants on the market.
Cloggie on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 2:21 pm
100 years ago 1/3 of all cars were electric:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/02/27/100-years-ago-a-third-of-all-cars-were-electric/
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 2:39 pm
Texas GOP lawmaker says he’s not worried about measles outbreak because of ‘antibiotics’
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3001496002?fbclid=IwAR0REZ4r347Wf6UcrSEn9Xpbgakjgp6j77OgBYg4Ek-N7o75yHMtH4VCwq0
Republicans are so dumb its almost unbelievable!
Cloggie on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 2:41 pm
Australian university succeeded in turning CO2 back into coal again:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/02/27/turning-co2-back-into-coal-again/
Duncan Idaho on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 2:43 pm
Republicans are so dumb its almost unbelievable!
Being dumb as a Repug is a plus.
Cloggie on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 2:57 pm
University of Lund in Sweden proposes to replace noble materials like ruthenium, osmium and iridium with plane iron in solar panel production and make the product a lot cheaper:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/02/27/iron-could-replace-precious-metals-in-solar-panel-production/
Antius on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 3:09 pm
“Australian university succeeded in turning CO2 back into coal again:”
Not technically difficult using the gas-shift reaction. CO2 + 4H2 = CH4 + 2H2O. Then pyrolyse the methane into graphite.
Just not very profitable.
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 3:31 pm
Clogg
Show me some recent studies
Mob: Okay here are four
Clogg: PORK CYCLE!
LOL
Cloggie on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 3:57 pm
“Just not very profitable.”
That is not the motive. The real motive is to “decarbonate the atmosphere”.
No idea if it is feasible.
Davy on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 5:14 pm
“Where Did AOC Get Her Sweet Potatoes?”
https://tinyurl.com/yyheusx7
Authored by Jeffrey Tucker via The American Institute for Economic Research,
“I admit the following. It drives me crazy to see people so fully enjoying the benefits from private property, trade, technology, and capitalistic endeavor even as they blithely propose to truncate dramatically the very rights that bring them such material joy, without a thought as to how their ideology might dramatically affect the future of mass availability of wealth that these ideologues so casually take for granted. To me, it’s like watching a person on IV denounce modern medicine — or a person using a smartphone to broadcast to the world an urgent message calling for an end to economic development. It doesn’t refute their point, but the performative contradiction is too acute not to note, at least in passing.”
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 5:37 pm
Davy
Time to put in you a home..You are nothing more than a scare mongering old crank..
Clogg can join you..
LOL
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 5:42 pm
Fox news is now openly calling Trump a fascist..
https://imgur.com/a/vj2fua0
A Freudian slip..
Their writers are as dumb as their readers..
makati1 on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 5:42 pm
The end of capitalism is coming. It is another case of suicide by greed. AO-C sees the Fed printing press keeping the US government from sliding even faster into the shitter and says “Why not do the same for the people? At least until it all goes bang?”
I agree. It is all going to go bang anyway soon so give the serfs a few good years before their 3rd world lifestyle begins. Tax the rich until they bleed. That is what they have been doing to the serfs for decades. Go for it AO-C! I might even vote for you in 2024, if the US lasts that long. ^_^
The American Institute for Economic Research, on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 5:57 pm
Dearest dumbass Davy,
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JuanPee sock puppeteering on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 6:03 pm
“The American Institute for Economic Research, on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 5:57 pm”
LOL, Mr. mental illness is stirring. JuanPee, it was so nice for a day or two and you were gone. You dirty up the board so much.
The Real JuanPee on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 6:05 pm
JuanP on Thu, 30th Jun 2016 4:56 pm
I think I could use my antisocial, psychopathic, sociopathic skills to convince people to vote for Trump. I can be very convincing when I want and I am excellent at manipulating people.
JuanP on Sun, 30th Aug 2015 5:40 am
…then you simply have a higher opinion of humans than I do. But what can I do? I am after all an admitted antisocial misanthrope. I just think most people suck!
JuanP on Fri, 12th Aug 2016 10:58 am
I stopped caring about humanity’s future a long time ago once I realized it was a waste of my time and energy. Now I think that it would be best for life on Earth if we ceased to exist as a species.
JuanP on Wed, 14th Sep 2016 9:59 pm
I struggle with the fact that I belong to the same species; I find myself emotionally and intellectually incapable of accepting the fact. That is why I consider myself a sui generis individual rather than a human animal.
JuanP on Sun, 26th Jun 2016 12:22 am
As far as I am concerned human beings are a bunch of arrogant and retarded ignorant fools and they deserve what’s coming. Call me selfish if you want, I don’t give a fuck!
JuanP on Fri, 15th May 2015 11:21 am
I did therapy for over a decade and most of it was a waste, but I had one therapist for a year who understood my issues and that helped, though I am still thoroughly screwed up.
JuanP on Tue, 22nd Dec 2015 6:57 am
They make me smile and happy and give me a brief respite from my cronic and acute depression.
JuanP on Sun, 17th Aug 2014 8:19 pm
I have suffered from cronic and acute clinical depression for most of my life, but I wouldn’t have it any other way.
JuanP on Mon, 23rd May 2016 8:53 am
I was just telling my wife yesterday that I would very willingly give my arms, legs, tongue, eyes, ears, nuts, and dick to experience life like normal people do for just one hour to know what it feels like. I have been a seriously depressed realist since I have a memory. My first memory of my life is of leaning against a tree alone in my kindergarten’s playground looking at all the other kids playing, thinking how stupid their behavior was, and wondering why I wasn’t like them. I basically don’t interact with normal people anymore. They have nothing to offer me and I don’t want to give them anything.
I am back, bitches! I just got back from a surfing vacation in Costa Rica. I am recharged and refreshed, and ready to continue fucking with the Exceptionalist and his multiple personalities for the foreseeable future.
Davy on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 6:15 pm
“Plastics: The New Coal in Appalachia?”
https://tinyurl.com/y25uwtt2
fasterthanexpected.com
“Along the banks of the Ohio River here, thousands of workers are assembling the region’s first ethane cracker plant. It’s a conspicuous symbol of a petrochemical and plastics future looming across the Appalachian region. More than 70 construction cranes tower over hundreds of acres where zinc was smelted for nearly a century. In a year or two, Shell Polymers, part of the global energy company Royal Dutch Shell, plans to turn what’s called “wet gas” into plastic pellets that can be used to make a myriad of products, from bottles to car parts. Two Asian companies could also announce any day that they plan to invest as much as $6 billion in a similar plant in Ohio. There’s a third plastics plant proposed for West Virginia. With little notice nationally, a new petrochemical and plastics manufacturing hub may be taking shape along 300 miles of the upper reaches of the Ohio River, from outside Pittsburgh southwest to Ohio, West Virginia and Kentucky. It would be fueled by a natural gas boom brought on by more than a decade of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, a drilling process that has already dramatically altered the nation’s energy landscape—and helped cripple coal.”
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 6:42 pm
Davy
Nobody cares about your hillbillys in Appalachia..That area is finished without natural resources because those people are creative enough to invent successful business..
Anonymouse on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 7:07 pm
The delusional one does not care about stupid liberal nonsense like ‘attribution’, or ‘reference’s. Exceptional ones, like exceptional nations, dont need to justify their actions, or their thievery to anyone. Whether it is stealing other peoples resources (Aka spreading ‘democracy’), or just garden variety petty plagiarism on the interwebs, Amerika is an anything goes operation. And so is the exceptionalturd.
The only attribution that matters, are those stupid tinyURLs to hide all his dumbass ZeroIQ links. The one place in his dumbass little universe that he respects enough to sort-of, properly reference.
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 7:18 pm
Saudi Aramco CEO Rebukes Peak Oil Demand ‘Hype’
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Saudi-Aramco-CEO-Rebukes-Peak-Oil-Demand-Hype.html
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 7:19 pm
Annyomous
So true..He purposely does hide the URL because he knows nobody will read stupid ZeroIQ articles..
LOL
makati1 on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 7:35 pm
If you do not read all of the sources, you get a very distorted view of events. I read all sources. I just look at the person who writes the paycheck for the author so I know the spin.
USMSM stuff is mostly propaganda/lies. Articles written by financial advisors are bent on selling their services. You have to look at the source of the author’s $$$. No-one does anything for free. It is always to sell an idea, product, book, service, etc.
I easily read 10,000 articles per year. That gives me a fairly clear picture of reality. Or, as close as you can get without being everywhere all of the time.
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 7:56 pm
Boeing nominates former U.N. ambassador Haley to join its board
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-nikki-haley-board-idUSKCN1QF1K7
All that war mongering paid off..
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 8:11 pm
Records show thousands of allegations of sexual abuse of migrant children in US custody
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/records-show-thousands-allegations-sexual-abuse-migrant-children/story?id=61329216&fbclid=IwAR2YLKOWisz3pl-caL69V-g2PM3-mvwqUJ6WFdJNQuFGxpGUsuf2pRPlNcM
Davy on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 8:49 pm
For anyone that cares I’m going to sleepy-byes now. The last thing on my mind will be JuanP. The first thing on my mind when I wake up in the morning will be JuanP. I will think about him all day long.
JuanP, Juanpee, JuanPee, JUANPEE!
I think I’m losing my fucking mind over JUANPEEEE!!!!!!
Antius on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 9:01 pm
“Records show thousands of allegations of sexual abuse of migrant children in US custody”
Considering how bad the problem appears to be, we should seriously be trying our best to keep those poor migrants away from the US. They clearly aren’t safe there and would clearly be much better off in the third world shit holes they came from.
Every year, millions of brown people flock to white nations. They eagerly line up to take possession of what whitey has built, fleeing their own lands in the process.
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 9:14 pm
1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It’s Time For A National Conversation
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/#1897053f624b
Wonder what they are going to use those for?
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 9:24 pm
Antius
You are the epitome of white privilege
Mitch on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 10:42 pm
“I think I’m losing my fucking mind over JUANPEEEE!!!!!!”
You lost your mind a long time ago Davy.
JuanP has nothing at all to do with your insanity.
Cloggie on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 1:54 am
Every year, millions of brown people flock to white nations. They eagerly line up to take possession of what whitey has built, fleeing their own lands in the process.
Yeah, that’s the consequence of being a member of that stinking empire since 1945 and an American overlord…
Antius
You are the epitome of white privilege
…and having raving lunatics like the mobster as your overlord.
1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It’s Time For A National Conversation
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/#1897053f624b
Wonder what they are going to use those for?
They intend to use it against white insurgents, if any.
Still keen on that Brexit, Antius?
With China and Russia as potential allies, Europe has far better chances to escape from this kosher nightmare than Anglos.
Just saying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6751479/Nine-strong-Bradford-sex-abuse-gang-face-years-jail-grooming-raping-two-14-year-old-girls.html#comments
(scroll down for the faces)
Cloggie on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 2:04 am
Now don’t ask the wrong questions, nothing to be seen, walk on…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6752603/Police-chiefs-declare-knife-crime-epidemic-national-emergency.html
“Bloodbath in Britain’s cities: Police chiefs warn of ‘national emergency’ as nine teenagers are stabbed to death in London and Birmingham in two weeks”
“The West”, something to pee upon.
The West, there were the sun… and civilization sets.
makati1 on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 2:59 am
“Over thirty years, the US army has engaged in two long-term wars and several briefer ones without replacing the major weapon systems which entered service in the 1970s and 80s….it’s not that the US didn’t try to design new weapons, it’s that all of the development programs that Washington financed somehow failed miserably, in spite of the government wasting 30 billion dollars on some of those….
… there’s hardly any larger disaster than the Zumwalt-class destroyer program with its total cost of 22.5 billion dollars, which amounts to an average cost of 7.5 billion dollars per ship. The US Navy was planning to acquire 28 of those, but when it got its hands on the first three ships, it was surprised to learn than the wonder-ship of the twenty-first century was no better than the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers that have been in service for three decades….
Washington is on a shopping spree on a Black Friday, as it would order 34 LCS (Littoral Combat Ship)… as it’s been pointed out by Task & Purpose and Bloomberg those ships turned out to be “floating garbage piles” even after 16 years spent on research and development….
…if you have a hard time imagining an even more disastrous project, there was at least one and the Pentagon was happy to foot the bill for it. Yes, we’re speaking about the Airborne Laser project that was envisaged as a part of the joint Euro-Atlantic missile defense system. However, lasers are not really effective in the atmosphere and then it turned out that ballistic missiles can travel at crazy speeds, so the Pentagon decided to scrap the project after spending nearly a trillion dollars on it!…
https://journal-neo.org/2019/02/27/the-post-cold-war-arms-race-he-who-spends-the-most-is-the-dummest/
“Is it any wonder that the National Interest doesn’t believe that the US is in any shape to take on even on a semi-capable contender, let alone a superpower.”
Even the “New Math” cannot save America. Too dumbed down to even keep up with more educated countries. Nothing works but the MIC scam. But then, America is the land of scam artists. They are called Congress. LMAO
makati1 on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 3:24 am
In other news…”The China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) has confirmed “the discovery of a high-quality and high-yield oil” in the Bohai Sea with proven reserves of natural gas exceeding 100 billion cubic meters.”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-discovery-of-major-gas-reserves-in-the-bohai-sea-how-will-it-affect-lng-gas-imports-from-the-us/5669649
“Coupled with the US-China trade war, will the Bohai discovery have an impact on China’s import of LNG from the US?”
Answer: YES! It will be flared off at the US wells because there will be no buyers.
Antius on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 4:11 am
“Still keen on that Brexit, Antius?
With China and Russia as potential allies, Europe has far better chances to escape from this kosher nightmare than Anglos.”
If the EU were motivated by a genuine White European nationalism, dedicated to upholding the interests of its own people, then I doubt Brexit would have occurred. It was primarily a vote against the ruling classes, due to disgust at rising inequality and continued mass immigration. But up until now, the EU has been a hard core Marxist institution, dedicated to undermining the nation state and its own native peoples, with the goal of turning Europe into a western revival of the Soviet Empire. The yellow vest and other populist uprisings are positive signs of change, but they do not yet hold the balance of power. All the while, the powers that be continue to turn European nations into rainbow police states.
After a few Jew gravestones get sprayed with swastikas; Macron stands ready to serve his true masters by stamping out what little freedom of speech remains in France. Very soon, Europe’s true masters will be completely beyond any legal criticism.
http://www.unz.com/gdurocher/in-face-of-yellow-vest-critics-france-moves-to-criminalize-anti-zionism/
I suspect that Macron’s interest in a European army has little to do with protect Europe’s borders and everything to do with bullying upstart nation states like Hungary into submission.
makati1 on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 4:19 am
Sounds like you have a clear picture of the current reality in the EU Antius. The West is getting desperate to survive in any form. Even as totalitarian police states. Freedom is dead in the West.
JuanP identity theft on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 4:50 am
Not Davy
Davy on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 8:49 pm
JuanP sock puppet on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 4:51 am
THis is JuanP
Mitch on Wed, 27th Feb 2019 10:42 pm
Davy on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 4:54 am
“I easily read 10,000 articles per year. That gives me a fairly clear picture of reality. Or, as close as you can get without being everywhere all of the time.”
Spare us the Bullshit makato. You are the most biased and narrow minded on this board. You read lots of articles searching for anti-Americanism. That is it. The truth doesn’t matter
Antius on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 4:56 am
“The West is getting desperate to survive in any form. Even as totalitarian police states. Freedom is dead in the West.”
I live in a country where being an open member of a nationalist political organisation routinely ruins people’s career aspirations and runs the very real risk of a long prison sentence. Simply expressing the wrong opinion on a topic that the state considers to be controversial, can lead to a visit from the police and sometimes arrest and prosecution. The persecution of Tommy Robinson is a high profile case; but there are thousands of others languishing in prison because of ‘speech crime’. The situation is every bit as dystopian as George Orwell’s 1984. Hence my interest in underground movements. No overt political rebellion has any hope of success; its members would be demonised by the controlled media, outlawed, arrested and ultimately murdered. The sort of yellow vest protests that were seen in France would have no hope of success in Britain.
The saddest part of the whole thing is the way in which the state has succeeded in changing people’s thinking and setting the boundaries of even private conversation. The British people have largely gone along with their oppressors and have effectively built a prison for themselves. Hence, I cannot help but feel contempt for my own countrymen. Even in nationalist circles, many people remain unaware of who it is that ultimately abuses them.
I have the utmost respect for Cloggie; he is one of the most interesting contributors here. But all too often he sees the world as he would like it to be, rather than how it actually is. His dogged attachment to the European Union is a good example.
Cloggie on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 5:05 am
Antius is generally right, except the UK government, incl ERG/Brexiteers/Farage are just as marxist as the EU. Brexit has Nothing to do with “British white nationalism” but everything with preference of “global Britain” over Britain as merely an EU province.
I have more trust in Putin, Orban, Salvini, le Pen then in the staying power of Trump lead Reps.
Real reason why our continental European cards are much better than those of white Anglos is because we hardly have any jews left.
Thanks Dolfie!
Thanks Joe!
The European globalist-left will go down much easier than the Anglo-left.
Cloggie on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 5:09 am
“His dogged attachment to the European Union is a good example.”
I share all the rightwing criticism of the EU.
The idea is to take the institution over, not to abolish it.
It is telling that a smart, presentable US white nationalist like Richard Spencer is AGAINST abolishing the EU.
Davy on Thu, 28th Feb 2019 5:23 am
“Russia Slides Towards Internal Political Crisis”
https://tinyurl.com/y4ezz6do
Submitted by SouthFront
“According to VCIOM, a state pollster, in January 2019, Putin’s confidence rating was only 32.8%. This is 24% less than in January 2018 when it was 57.2%. At the same time, the confidence rating of Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev was 7.8%. The approval rating of his cabinet is 37.7% while the disapproval rating is 38.7%. Opposition sources show data, which is far worse for the current Russian leadership. This tendency is not linked to the foreign policy course of the Kremlin. Rather, it’s the result of the recent series of liberal-minded economic reforms, which look similar to the approaches exercised by the Russian government in the mid-1990s. The decision to increase Value Added Tax amid the slowing Russian economy, especially in the industrial sector, and a very unpopular pension reform increasing the retirement age were both factors contributing to the further growth of discontent in the population. Russia’s GDP increased by 2.3% in 2018 compared to 1.6% in 2017. However, the Ministry of Economic Development, in its document entitled “Economic Picture” stated that this is linked to “one-time factors” and is not “stable”. The ministry maintained its earlier forecast stating that GDP growth in 2019 will be 1.3%. It confirmed increasing capital outflow. In this case, the repayment of funds to Western creditors by the Russian private sector is one of the causes. The Ministry of Economic Development also pointed out that the expendable income of the population decreased by 0.2%. Statutory charges, including the increased taxes, are named as one of the reasons. The document says that statutory charges grew by 14.8% in 2018. Additionally, the population is facing an increasingly restrictive administrative pressure: new fines and other penalties for minor violations in various fields and additional administrative restrictions limiting the freedom of actions of citizens. Restrictive traffic management of big cities, increasing fees for using federal highways as well as policies that are de-facto aimed at small business and self-employed persons are among its landmarks. Meanwhile the general population has no effective levers of pressure to affect or correct government policy. The public political sphere has become a desert. United Russia (Edinaya Rossiya) is the only political party still de—facto existing in public politics. By now its ideological and organizational capabilities have become exhausted. Other “political parties and organizations” are just media constructs designed to defend the interests of a narrow group of their sponsors. It is hard to find a lawmaker in the State Duma or the Federation Council, who is not affiliated with the cliquish top political elite and oligarch clans.”
“Evaluating the current internal political situation in Russia and its foreign policy course, it’s possible to say that the Russian leadership has lost its clear vision of national development and a firm and consistent policy, which are needed for any great power. Another explanation of this is that the Russian leadership is facing pressure from multiple agents of influence, which stand against vision of a powerful independent state seeking to act as one of the centers of power on the global stage. One more factor, often pointed out by experts, is the closed crony-caste system of elites. This system led to the creation of a leadership, which pursues its own narrow clannish interests. Apparently, all of these factors influence Russian foreign and domestic policies in one way or another.”