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UK to ban most hybrid cars, including Prius, from 2040
Hybrid cars that rely on traditional engines, such as the Toyota Prius, would be banned by 2040 under plans being drawn up by the UK government that would outlaw up to 98 per cent of the vehicles currently on the road.
Vehicles such as the Prius — the best-selling hybrid car in Britain — will no longer be classified as “environmentally friendly” enough to be sold, according to three people briefed on the government’s plans to tackle emissions and air quality.
The exact wording is still under consultation between several government departments, with the transport, environment and business departments all feeding into the final document.
The plans are backed by Michael Gove, environment secretary, and Greg Clark, business secretary. But Chris Grayling, transport secretary, who has Toyota’s UK headquarters in his constituency, has resisted the plans.
A spokesman for the Department for Transport said: “It is categorically untrue that government is planning to ban the sale of hybrid cars in the UK by 2040.”
Last July, the government outlined plans to ban the sale of “conventional” cars from 2040.
The vague wording caused considerable confusion among carmakers, because it was unclear whether cars that use both batteries and traditional engines would be permitted.
The new document aims to clarify the government’s position, and outline how it intends to grow public demand for electric vehicles in the interim years.
Three people involved in the decision said only vehicles that can travel at least 50 miles using only electric power will be permitted under the new rules.
The change in rules will outlaw more than 98 per cent of the vehicles currently sold in Britain and will require manufacturers to switch to vehicles predominantly driven by batteries, though they may have petrol engines for back-up or support.
Plug-in cars that have both large batteries and a traditional engine will also be permitted, although the exact wording is yet to be clarified, according to four people briefed on the government’s plans.
There are several types of hybrid vehicles, from Toyota Prius cars, which use electric power and petrol simultaneously, to plug-in vehicles that can travel for significant distances on battery power alone.
New car sales in Britain have fallen 8.8 per cent so far this year, a decline that has led to hundreds of job cuts at Jaguar Land Rover and Nissan, as well as lost work for hundreds of dealerships.
The industry lays the blame for the decline in part on public confusion over the government’s policy around future vehicle bans.
Mike Hawes, chief executive of industry body the SMMT, said: “We cannot support ambition levels which do not appreciate how industry, the consumer or the market operate and which are based neither on fact nor substance.
“Unrealistic targets and misleading messaging on bans will only undermine our efforts to realise this future, confusing consumers and wreaking havoc on the new car market and the thousands of jobs it supports.”
He added: “Vehicle manufacturers will increasingly offer electrified versions of their vehicles giving consumers ever more choice but industry cannot dictate the pace of change nor levels of consumer demand.
“If government wants the UK to be a global leader in zero emission transport it must provide a world class package of incentives and support to make this a credible policy.”
154 Comments on "UK to ban most hybrid cars, including Prius, from 2040"
rockman on Fri, 4th May 2018 5:30 pm
And once again some politician say X will happen in 20XX when those politicians won’t be in office in a position for X to be implemented. Much easier then trying to force significant changes today when it could jeopardize their chances for reelection.
Duncan Idaho on Fri, 4th May 2018 6:00 pm
California now world’s 5th largest economy, surpassing UK—–
Anonymouse1 on Fri, 4th May 2018 6:14 pm
narrativeman, it hardly matters what the bought-and-paid-for politicians in Britain or anywhere else, declare what will be ‘allowed’ or not. Your kind, have drained most of the best oil over the last 150 years and are working on extracting the remaining oil, and dregs of oil, as fast as you can with little concern for anything called ‘the future’. In this regard, your kind and the ‘politicians’ that oil money paid for, have always been on the same page.
By 2040, it is entirely possible what is left, will be too expensive, scarce, or dirty, or all of the above, to stick in the tank of a so-called ‘hybrid’ car, or very many cars, period. Politicians, won’t be the ones making such calls, nor will oil corps or their shills and sycophants. The most any any politician will be able to do, is announce the obvious, namely, the party is pretty much over. And I don’t expect even that much tbh. Your faith in the relevance and veracity of all those ‘elections’ and those who partake of them, is second only to your faith in jezus and yahweh it seems.
Breezy oily windbags like you creativeman, will be extinct long before those planet-saving ‘hybrids’ get busted up for scrap, that much is certain.
Davy on Fri, 4th May 2018 6:20 pm
Weasel, tell us a story about the tar sands. I want to hear you whine.
Anonymouse1 on Fri, 4th May 2018 6:34 pm
I want to hear you’re volunteering to help reduce the overpopulation and overshoot problem, exceptionalturd.
Davy on Fri, 4th May 2018 6:38 pm
Lol, that got the weasels attention. I showed the dumbass the door on that one. The stupid millennial Canadian lives in a fantasy world of being victimized by the evil Americans.
makati1 on Fri, 4th May 2018 6:50 pm
The existence of our current American way of life only marginally depends on how much oil is left and is profitably recoverable. It fully depends on keeping the Us financial house of cards from collapsing and causing a reset. That is not going to last much longer. Too many trying to take the USD down. The cards are vibrating faster and faster and the bottom ones are getting brittle. Anyone pretending to know what is going to happen next year, let alone in 2040 or so, is just shoveling shit to sell something.
Davy on Fri, 4th May 2018 7:37 pm
3rd world, can you spell stale and redundant? Is this what happens when you push 80? bummer.
Anonymouse1 on Fri, 4th May 2018 7:46 pm
Exceptionalturd, your comments are what happens when you’re pushing 80. As in 80 IQ (your theoretical max. btw).
makati1 on Fri, 4th May 2018 7:47 pm
Davy, you live in redundant America. Propaganda 24/7/365 from birth to death. You should be used to it. I will keep posting the evidence of the Us downfall for as long as I can and as often as I can. Too bad it the truth hurts. You deserve the pain, baby killer.
Push 80? 74 is hardly pushing 80. But, I plan to live to see my 100th. You never will even get to 74. LMAO
Davy on Fri, 4th May 2018 7:48 pm
lol, flushed a covey. You two dorks belong together talk about a goofy kid and his senile old man.
Davy on Fri, 4th May 2018 7:49 pm
anon, this is makati the one. Thanks for helping me out
makati1 on Fri, 4th May 2018 7:55 pm
Just sounded sooooo Davy, I misread the name. Need another coffee. lol
makati1 on Fri, 4th May 2018 7:59 pm
Davy you and MM share a ward at the funny farm? You are two peas in a pod. If you could stand outside your little world of delusion you would see why the rest of us laugh at you.
My grandfather loved to sit and watch the monkeys at the Washington Zoo for the same reason. Their mindless entertainment.
Davy on Fri, 4th May 2018 8:08 pm
3rd world, don’t you have something to do on the farm? You can’t be much of a farmer being here so much.
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 12:07 am
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-billion/
“Volkswagen Doubles EV Battery Order To $48 Billion”
Boat on Sat, 5th May 2018 12:18 am
Clog
California is making it mandatory to put solar on new homes. California over took the UK as 5th largest economy in the world. Damm those alt right haters. lol
Boat on Sat, 5th May 2018 12:24 am
Europe energy is built on world class give aways. And we thank them. Now build a military not run by the Germans and stop Putin.
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 1:03 am
Britain and France 2040.
Norway undisputed champion at 2025.
Holland struggling between 2025-2030:
https://nos.nl/artikel/2095952-tweede-kamer-vanaf-2025-alleen-nog-duurzame-auto-s.html
2040 is ridiculously unambitious. Technology will be the driving factor, pun intended, not bureaucrats held hostage by car/oil lobby clubs. By 2030 technology will be advanced enough for the e-vehicle to be on the fast lane.
https://nos.nl/artikel/2185119-hoe-elektrisch-rijden-in-europa-steeds-groter-wordt.html
In my home town there are already a large number of (locally produced) e-busses:
https://www.allego.eu/cases/europes-largest-e-bus-project-eindhoven/
Antius on Sat, 5th May 2018 1:25 am
“2040 is ridiculously unambitious. Technology will be the driving factor, pun intended, not bureaucrats held hostage by car/oil lobby clubs. By 2030 technology will be advanced enough for the e-vehicle to be on the fast lane.”
This is a retarded policy, cooked up by idiot politicians who have no understanding of technology. It is an example of all that is bad about European governments in general.
Electrochemistry will not be different in 2030 to what it is today. Battery electric vehicles are expensive because batteries have poor energy density compared to liquid fuels. To achieve a good range a large and expensive battery is needed.
Banning the IC engine will not make the BEV any better. It just forces people to rely on an inferior solution.
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 2:24 am
Electrochemistry will not be different in 2030 to what it is today.
That maybe true, but innovation is still racing ahead, electrochemistry be damned.
It is still open who is going to win, batteries or fuel cell (I bet 60/40 on the fuel cell, the solution the Japanese, no fools, are betting on as well).
But this argument of “too big batteries” completely evaporates if you additionally bet on TAAS (transport as a service), when the global car fleet of 1 billion will be reduced to 50 million 9-person Ford-Transit like e-robots in 2030, driving 25% of the time, rather than 5% of the time for average privately owned cars:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/by-2030-you-wont-own-a-car/
TAAS will be 10 times cheaper per mile than driving in a privately-owned new car or 4 times cheaper than in a Toyota Starlet:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s7QactoJOcA/UxRm_7B87XI/AAAAAAAAEfU/aGPog4Byo1c/s1600/IMG_2630.JPG
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 2:30 am
Countries currently competing to be the #1 with self-driving car infrastructure:
https://www.geospatialworld.net/blogs/top-autonomous-vehicle-ready-countries/
I bet on Holland, not (just) for chauvinistic reasons, but because it is flat, it is small, 100% road infrastructure and because it is overcrowded and near a traffic jam collapse that can be solved with self-driving vans rather than sedans.
Norman Pagett on Sat, 5th May 2018 4:53 am
those advocating the switch to battery power miss a few critical points
the first being access to the materials with which to produce the battery:
https://extranewsfeed.com/we-must-keep-our-wheels-turning-93c95d8f066f
we do not have sufficient raw materials to replace conventional vehicles
the second being ”purpose”
why purpose?
because we use wheels to employ ourselves—if there’s no oil, there will be no meaningful employment…..and if there are no jobs, society will collapse and there will be no point in trying to go anywhere other than on foot—which severely limits distances.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 5:01 am
Clogg
You live in a fantasy land..self driving cars, EV’s, renewable’s. I mean you have swallowed every stupid thing big tech has thrown your way….You are going to be in for a rude awakening pretty soon.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 5:03 am
Trump’s first year,
Record number of drug overdoses. Record number of category four hurricanes making landfall. Record number of retail store closures. And record number of active shooting incidents…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1TjCphXE
Trump is the fourth horseman of the apocalypse. He practices all the sins. Greed, Gluttony, Sloth, Envy, Banging porn stars etc. I’m an atheist but even I can spot a false prophet and an actual anti-Christ when it’s this obvious.
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 5:20 am
You are going to be in for a rude awakening pretty soon.
You in America perhaps, without a federal level renewable energy program. Instead it is SUV time again.lol
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-01-16/why-the-american-sedan-is-marked-for-death
/rolleyes
Again here the historic Geopolitical Hall of Fame, where (except in the French case.lol) every top dog position was tied to preeminence in a new form of energy:
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/06/11/20160612_nothing.jpg
Portugal and Spain –> sail boot, giving access to overseas vast new lands and trade.
Holland –> wind mills driving sawing machines –> size Dutch fleet 3 times that of the rest of the world combined in 17th century:
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/03/10/the-netherlands-in-the-17th-century/
France –> du vin, du pain, du Boursin. Taking a nap(oleon).
Britain –> coal + steam engine. Trains, steel boats. Largest empire in world history:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y2WIOa7CEI
America –> oil, even better than coal. You can’t drive cars, buses and planes (and tanks) on coal, but on oil you can. Virtual empire based on military bases, global media, dollar, nukes, history lies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHz-zZoBnbc
Now the 21st century has arrived. Europe is the one with the most advanced renewable energy program. If that succeeds, history has shown that Europe will be on top again, now as a united entity, with the potential to enlarge with Russia and parts of North-America, driven by the need to contains the coming #1: China.
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 5:36 am
Trump is the fourth horseman of the apocalypse. He practices all the sins. Greed, Gluttony, Sloth, Envy, Banging porn stars etc. I’m an atheist but even I can spot a false prophet and an actual anti-Christ when it’s this obvious.
Are we pretending to being pious, are we? But indeed, DJT is the horseman… of the US empire.
“Greed, Gluttony, Sloth, Envy, Banging porn stars”… that’s not illegal in America.
And record number of active shooting incidents…
I’m sorry, but it is too late now to disarm European America before CW2:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/national-rifle-association-amerikas-waffenlobby-feiert-ihr-comeback-a-1206367.html
“NRA celebrates comeback.”
Yesterday Trump addressed the NRA and it is obvious that the club will prevail against whining kiddos, incited by Marxist teachers.
What are you going to do about it? Flee to Israel?
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 5:44 am
Wait till the shooting part of second civil war starts. You saw Trump rally his troops last night. What do you think they intend to do with all of that hate?
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 5:47 am
Wait till the shooting part of second civil war starts. You saw Trump rally his troops last night. What do you think they intend to do with all of that hate?
Blow your Marxist brains out, I reckon.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 5:48 am
Clogg
What Marxist teachers? You are obviously fuck nuts paranoid and delusional. Just like the mice in Dr Calhoun’s utopia Sad..T
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 5:51 am
clogg
The right will never capture any cities. They are too scared and soft, and to flat footed..Ole whitey is too obese and tubby to fight. LOL
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 5:56 am
German Army Peak Oil Study – within 15 years oil shortages may collapse global economy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyUe7w1gDZo&feature=share
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 6:02 am
The right will never capture any cities. They are too scared and soft, and to flat footed..Ole whitey is too obese and tubby to fight. LOL
Agree, you can keep the cities in the East and dump the Israelis there. Mexico gets most of the West Coast.
Again the boundaries of the coming white ethno-state on former US-soil:
Rockies in the West, Red River in the South (northern Texas)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_of_the_South
…West of the Missisipi and Apalachians.
Essentially the Missisipi bassin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_River#/media/File:Mississippiriver-new-01.png
Quebec back to France, Vancouver to China, Anglo-Canada part of global European Commonwealth, including Transvaal in South-Africa and perhaps Down Under, if the Chinese decide not to take it (it is completely up to them).
South-America is basically the same: rather white countries like Uruguay, Chile and Argentina, living peacefully next to majority indigenous countries like Bolivia and Peru.
(((Bolshevism))) didn’t last.
(((Multiculturalism))) won’t last.
Nature running its course.
Races/ethnicities exist and people simply have a preference for their own kind. Nothing you can do about it. Perhaps in 1000 years, not now.
Davy on Sat, 5th May 2018 6:05 am
“Electrochemistry will not be different in 2030 to what it is today.” “That maybe true, but innovation is still racing ahead, electrochemistry be damned.”
Well, neder, you are always “betting on the come” and convinced your card will come. Physics tell us we have pushed electrochemistry to technical and affordability boundaries. You remind me of Antius’s comment: “This is a retarded policy, cooked up by idiot politicians who have no understanding of technology. It is an example of all that is bad about European governments in general.” You are just being a technocrat here. It must be in your blood.
“It is still open who is going to win, batteries or fuel cell (I bet 60/40 on the fuel cell, the solution the Japanese, no fools, are betting on as well).”
Fuel cells have a place no doubt but I doubt affordability of Hydrogen storage and vectors will ever allow the mass production that represents a primary solution. If we can combine a significant effort in both technologies and combine this with ICE we can buy time and extend our current status quo normal at least until we can figure out what is next. We have not figured out what is next because we have not acknowledge an end game of hard limits. Until that happens we are just drifting in the sea of ignorance chasing mirages of promise lands.
“But this argument of “too big batteries” completely evaporates if you additionally bet on TAAS (transport as a service), when the global car fleet of 1 billion will be reduced to 50 million 9-person Ford-Transit like e-robots in 2030, driving 25% of the time, rather than 5% of the time for average privately owned cars:”
Again you get lost in scale and economic proportionality. TAAS fits small applications. The idea you can reconfigure the global economy from 1BIL ICE to 50MIL is absurd if you still intend to continue growth and the current economic activity. You didn’t mention building this new system as you maintain the old and do all this transport effort while a huge renewable energy infrastructure and storage is being built in tandem. It is just off the wall into fantasy as you do routinely. “E-robots are another fantasy. TAAS and e-robots will likely get developed and have applications but not represent solutions.
“TAAS will be 10 times cheaper per mile than driving in a privately-owned new car or 4 times cheaper than in a Toyota Starlet:”
Got numbers on full life cycle of that idea? You don’t consider at all the economics of why the car was driven or the fact that privately driven cars create and economic velocity of activity a TAAS vehicle can’t match because of the vastly expanded ability of billions of cars to generate economic.
Davy on Sat, 5th May 2018 6:10 am
“I bet on Holland, not (just) for chauvinistic reasons, but because it is flat, it is small, 100% road infrastructure and because it is overcrowded and near a traffic jam collapse that can be solved with self-driving vans rather than sedans.”
Holland represents a very small percentage of the global population and its economy is totally dependent on healthy global growth to maintain its high population densities. It is equivalent to a mega city so your chauvinistic feelings are as usual lack proportionality and scaling to place a bet on as a leader.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 6:14 am
German Army Peak Oil Study – within 15 years oil shortages may collapse global economy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyUe7w1gDZo&feature=share
IEA Chief warns of world oil shortages by 2020 as discoveries fall to record lows
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iea-says-global-oil-discoveries-at-record-low-in-2016-1493244000
Saudi Arabia’s Energy Minister Warns of World Oil Shortages Ahead
https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-minister-sees-end-of-oil-price-slump-1476870790
2020s To Be A Decade of Disorder For Oil -Former head of EIA
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/2020s-To-Be-A-Decade-of-Disorder-For-Oil.html
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 6:21 am
Clogg
I was just kidding and being sarcastic…There be no civil war. it will be everyone man for himself when the oil starts to run out. There will be a phase change in the behavior of most..and it won’t be pretty…As Neil Young said. “And once you’re gone, you can’t come back, When you’re out of the blue and into the black.
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 6:27 am
Well, neder, you are always “betting on the come” and convinced your card will come. Physics tell us we have pushed electrochemistry to technical and affordability boundaries.
Then why is Volkswagen betting the farm on batteries?
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-billion/
The time that I give credence to layman with a doomer vision is long over. VW has much more and better vision that hardcore default no-matter-what doomers like you or Heinberg.
Fuel cells have a place no doubt but I doubt affordability of Hydrogen storage
There is an enormous mobility cost cutting opportunity just around the corner: self-driving car/TAAS. Again, all major industrialized nations have an interest in that opportunity. That should give you a warning sign. If an economic collapse would occur, a distinct possibility, the consequences can be softened with TAAS. Costs for fuel cells and/or batteries are not that important if distributed over many passengers.
Got numbers on full life cycle of that idea?
Sure:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/by-2030-you-wont-own-a-car/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2015/03/28/driverless-car/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/intel-in-autonomous-cars/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/04/06/daimler-bosch-will-bring-autonomous-car-within-5-years/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/the-world-of-autonomous-e-vehicles-according-to-daimler-and-bosch/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/03/14/nissan-leaf-autonomous-drive-demonstration-in-london/
All the big names are involved. Every development is pointing towards the self-driving car:
– GPS/Galileo + smart phone –> total location awareness
– Resource scarcity: far less embedded energy and resources as (in theory) 1 billion cars can eventually be replaced with 50 million 9-12p “Ford Transit’s”. 25% rather than 5% operational time and 6p rather than sedan 1.25p occupation rate. That’s 5 x 5 = 25 times less need for cars (40 million) with the same transportation effort. The numbers are a bit arbitrary, but DO illustrate the enormous potential for the self-driving car.
– environment: far less energy use per passenger/mile
– far less road maintenance cost. 2 lane roads suffice almost everywhere.
– Economic downturn: can be softened as prices per mile will plummet (to 10-20% of car ownership)
It is simply going to happen, likely in NW-Europe and areas like California first.
Davy on Sat, 5th May 2018 6:30 am
“You in America perhaps, without a federal level renewable energy program. Instead it is SUV time again.lol”
Neder, Ford is being smart here and focusing on what it does best. The US accept more cars from more countries than you Euros do. We get plenty of high mileage cars and plenty are sold. More will be sold in the future. Ford is becoming a niche player because that is where the automotive industry is heading and Ford is making the tough decision acknowledging this. SUV’s and Trucks have a future too. /rolleyes
“Again here the historic Geopolitical Hall of Fame, where (except in the French case.lol) every top dog position was tied to preeminence in a new form of energy:”
/rolleyes. Come on neder this is not a currency history lesson. The status quo of globalism is a new normal which there is not a history to refer to. Nothing in the past can even begin to compare. That was prehistory as far as currencies are concerned. This is why you anti-Americans and dollar extremist are so bamboozled. You try to see a trend in something with no trend. The dollar is a reserve currency of the global economy for a reason and the rest of the world has its place. Globalism is licked in a brittle climax currency ecosystem. The dollar is not the only reserve currency BTW. Small changes can be made and will be made but the ability of the global economy to venture into a new currency unit is far from certain. It is likely to be just an adapted version of what we have today. There is no indication we can make major changes. There is no other economic entity that can make this change on the horizon especially if a top tier economy like the US chooses not to. It is more like the dollars reserve currency stats will end when globalism ends. The end of globalism with be a vastly different history. Certainly China has very conflicting challenges to have a reserve currency. The Euro shows no indication to be more than a significant reserve currency component. The IMF SDR has done little to challenge the dollar.
“Now the 21st century has arrived. Europe is the one with the most advanced renewable energy program.”
Neder, how far ahead of the US are you currently? LMFAO
“If that succeeds, history has shown that Europe will be on top again”
LMFAO again
“now as a united entity, with the potential to enlarge with Russia and parts of North-America, driven by the need to contains the coming #1: China.”
LOL the comedy today
Davy on Sat, 5th May 2018 6:48 am
“Then why is Volkswagen betting the farm on batteries?”
It has to it failed with diesel. VW is just trying to stay relevant. What a lying corrupt company IMA.
“There is an enormous mobility cost cutting opportunity just around the corner: self-driving car/TAAS. Again, all major industrialized nations have an interest in that opportunity. That should give you a warning sign. If an economic collapse would occur, a distinct possibility, the consequences can be softened with TAAS. Costs for fuel cells and/or batteries are not that important if distributed over many passengers.”
Neder, you are just presenting emotional attachments. You are not dealing with my point with actual data. If an economic collapse occurs TAAS will not be affordable. That is the problem with you neder. You have no understanding of finance and economics. You think technology affordability will function like osmosis.
“Got numbers on full life cycle of that idea?”
Real “COSTS” “COST BENEFITS” of the entire global economy not little Holland wrapped up in fantasy. This total global economy part is not found in your less than adequate analysis of your copy and paste word press blog you rely so heavily on constantly.
“All the big names are involved. Every development is pointing towards the self-driving car:”
BS LMFAO YET AGAIN
“-total location awareness”
Until technical failure than nothing works. God forbid the grid goes unstable
“– Resource scarcity: far less embedded energy and resources as (in theory)”
You forgot the cost of a transition all the while you maintain what must be maintained to have the economy to build this new system out.
“– environment: far less energy use per passenger/mile”
Have not considered what this transition will do to the environment transitioning. You don’t even have an idea of the economics of a total transition.
“– Economic downturn: can be softened as prices per mile will plummet (to 10-20% of car ownership)”
Who says price per mile will plummet? You have no idea where price per mile will go this is just your fantasy. I thought you didn’t use miles in little Holland?
“It is simply going to happen, likely in NW-Europe and areas like California first.”
OMG, you actually reference somewhere in the US that will succeed. I thought the US is going to crash and burn any minute?
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 7:05 am
Clogg
Tesla is the largest EV seller and they are likely going to go bankrupt this year…EV”S are fad for rich yuppies. And based on the fact you can’t take one out of the city, they are pretty much useless for most people.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 7:06 am
A lithium ion battery has 1/10 the energy density of fossil fuels. This is why no EV’s are profitable.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 7:09 am
Clogg
Nobody wants an EV because they don’t save you any money on gas, since the battery depreciates by 1000k dollars a year. And it blows up your electric bills. And they are garbage quality based on consumer reports. You can’t even park one at the airport, because the battery will drain while you are away and it will be dead when you get back.
Davy on Sat, 5th May 2018 7:18 am
“Tesla is the largest EV seller and they are likely going to go bankrupt this year…EV”S”
So what, Tesla will be bought up and made stronger under new leadership. EV’s are not a fad they are part of the future just not the nederfantasy we see daily here.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 7:20 am
3.1.4 Intra-societal Risks of Peak Oil
Since modern national economies strongly rely on inexpensive fossil raw materials, in
particular oil, peak oil would pose considerable challenges to most countries and societies in the event of an incomplete or insufficient post-fossil transformation process. These challenges could entail restrictions in the mobility systems, interruptions in economic structures as well as an erosion of confidence in state institutions.
http://www.energybulletin.net/sites/default/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf
Davy on Sat, 5th May 2018 7:22 am
“A lithium ion battery has 1/10 the energy density of fossil fuels. This is why no EV’s are profitable.”
I thought you had a PHD or something? Your comment is stupid because it does not include the application and its place on bigger applications like a renewable energy system. A renewable energy system not at a nederfantasy scale but at a scale enough to fill sweet spot applications.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 7:23 am
Davy
You see the world through rose colored glasses. That is because you have had everything handed to you from your parents. If you had to work and earn everything you have ever gotten you wouldn’t be so naive and foolish.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 5th May 2018 7:26 am
Davy
lithium-ion battery pack has about 0.3 MJ/kg and about 0.4 MJ/liter (Chevy VOLT). Gasoline thus has about 100 times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery. …
– – American Physical Society
https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/201208/backpage.cfm
Cloggie on Sat, 5th May 2018 7:59 am
Nobody wants an EV because they don’t save you any money on gas, since the battery depreciates by 1000k dollars a year. And it blows up your electric bills.
Really? The Norwegian population is moving faster than their government is requiring.
A mixture of environmental idealism, excess availability of hydro electricity, a lot of income from, oh irony, oil and no doubt the chauvinism to show the world that the Norwegians are the best:
https://futurism.com/record-norway-cars-electric-hybrid/
https://www.transportenvironment.org/news/evidence-norway-poor-supply-cars-holding-back-e-vehicle-revolution
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/07/power-to-the-ev-norway-spearheads-europes-electric-vehicle-surge
The fact that their “Danish brothers” ended up with a world class wind energy industry as a result of their pioneering efforts in the eighties, probably plays a role as well.
Shortend on Sat, 5th May 2018 8:05 am
Brilliant move by UK to ban cars!
That will help solve unemployment by increasing demand for Ricksaw drivers, Gondola rides in the canals, ect.
Oh, horse breeders should be a growth segment also.