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Saudi Prince says CIA cannot be trusted
A senior Saudi prince cast doubt on the reported CIA finding that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, saying the agency could not be counted on to reach a credible conclusion.
“The CIA is not necessarily the highest standard of veracity or accuracy in assessing situations. The examples of that are multitude,” Prince Turki al-Faisal, a senior member of the royal family, told journalists in Abu Dhabi on Saturday.
The prince, a former Saudi intelligence chief who has also served as ambassador to the United States, said the agency’s conclusion that Iraq possessed chemical weapons before the US invasion in 2003 showed it could be unreliable.
“That was the most glaring of inaccurate and wrong assessments, which led to a full-scale war with thousands being killed,” he said, speaking at an event hosted by the Beirut Institute think tank.
“I don’t see why the CIA is not on trial in the United States. This is my answer to their assessment of who is guilty and who is not and who did what in the consulate in Istanbul.”
The CIA has concluded that Prince Mohammed ordered the operation to kill Khashoggi, as first reported by the Washington Post, and briefed other parts of the US government on its findings, sources told Reuters news agency last week.
US President Donald Trump has disputed that the agency reached a conclusion on the murder, saying instead “they have feelings certain ways”.
A Turkish newspaper also reported on Thursday that CIA Director Gina Haspel signalled to Turkish officials that the agency had a recording of a call in which the crown prince gave instructions to “silence” the journalist.
Khashoggi was killed at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2 in an operation that Turkish authorities have said was ordered by the highest level of Saudi leadership, prompting the kingdom’s biggest political crisis in a generation.
After offering numerous contradictory explanations, Riyadh said Khashoggi was killed and his body dismembered after negotiations to persuade him to return to Saudi Arabia failed.
The kingdom’s public prosecutor is seeking the death penalty for five suspects charged in the murder, but has said Prince Mohammed had no prior knowledge of the operation.
Prince Turki told the Associated Press news agency the killing of Khashoggi was “an unacceptable incident that tars and mars the long record of Saudi Arabia’s own standing in the world”.
“We will have to bear that. It’s not something that should not be faced. And we do face it,” he said.
Dealing with Saudi Arabia
Prince Mohammed embarked late on Thursday on his first foreign tour since the killing with a visit to the United Arab Emirates. He is expected to visit Bahrain and Tunisia before going to Buenos Aires on November 30 for the start of the two-day G-20 summit, where he’ll come face to face with world leaders.
Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has kept international pressure mounting on the kingdom, are among those expected to attend.
“Whether the leaders in that summit will warmly engage with the crown prince or not, I think all of them recognise that the kingdom as a country and King Salman and the crown prince are people that they have to deal with,” the prince said.
He said Saudi Arabia will continue to play a role on the world stage and that Trump’s statement of support for Saudi Arabia recognises the importance of the kingdom.
“I thought President Trump was expressing what he felt was in the interest of the United States. He emphasised the strategic relationship between the two countries in the same statement and how Saudi Arabia has been helpful in many instances — not just oil,” Prince Turki said.
The prince, who led Saudi intelligence for more than two decades and served as ambassador to the US and Britain, worked closely for years with Khashoggi before the writer became an outspoken government critic.
Khashoggi worked under Prince Turki as a spokesperson for the Saudi Embassy in London and later in Washington, DC.
The prince’s father is the late King Faisal and his brother is Prince Khalid al-Faisal, the governor of Mecca.
Prince Turki said that reports of discontent within the ruling Al Saud family over the crown prince’s rapid rise to power do not reflect the “extraordinary support” that King Salman and his son, the crown prince, enjoy.
“I see no signs of such disquiet or uncertainty vis-a-vis the king and the crown prince,” he said.
69 Comments on "Saudi Prince says CIA cannot be trusted"
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 5:19 am
Corrupt northern eurotards are stealing from the south it is just they do it like they are not. This will not end well but the manic dutch guy can’t square this reality with his PBM fantasy.
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 5:23 am
““US Is “The Only Real Guarantor” Of European Security, Claims Polish PM””
Haha, Poland! They are just as obsessed with Germany as the British. And with Russia. These fools still think that America wants to protect them rather then use them as a usufull idiot to get wars started in Europe.
Just like the British love to imagine they have a “special relationship” with the US. This insane belief cost them their empire. Poland and Britain can compete for the title “greatest useful idiot for the Americans”.
It doesn’t matter. What matters are France, Germany, Russia and China and US white nationalists vs Washington.
I leave it to you as an exercise who will win this fight. BigMak is right: ZOG needs to be stripped naked (so white people can survive)
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 5:55 am
“It doesn’t matter. What matters are France, Germany, Russia and China and US white nationalists vs Washington.”
OH, neder forgot Hungry and Italy to his neder PBM union.
“BigMak” is right:
Makati1 is self described 5’ something scrawny guy. I picture him as also pale and chalky even though he lives in the P’s. They guy seems to never leaves is grandfather room let in the rental flat in Infanta.
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 6:20 am
China claims first genetically modified babies are born
https://apnews.com/4997bb7aa36c45449b488e19ac83e86d?fbclid=IwAR1V0I_3sc_5gADRV1swxexUGAs_-Gb03nL3bg6Rg0_40xdW-ol7tzKVD5A
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 8:20 am
The CIA cannot be trusted, but Trump can!
Teargas, yay!! That’ll teach these invaders. Enemy combattant, that’s what they are:
https://www.geenstijl.nl/5145023/beelden-migranten-bestormen-amerikaanse-grens-trump-troopers-traangassen-terug/
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 11:55 am
Of course the CIA can’t be trusted! LOL! The US government is the largest terrorist organization to ever have existed in the history of the world. If you trust any branch of the US government then you are a complete idiot.
The USA has the most materialistic, capitalistic, oligarchic, violent, abusive, criminal, terroristic, and aggressive “culture” of any country in the world. That is why you have more people in prison than any other country in the world, more school shootings than all the rest of the world put together, more military installations in foreign countries than the rest of the world combined, and have been in more wars than any other country in modern history, etc., etc., etc.
Dredd on Tue, 27th Nov 2018 8:10 am
The Prince and the Don diss da man (How To Identify The Despotic Minority – 5).
The regal beagles.
Dredd on Tue, 27th Nov 2018 8:27 am
The eyes have it (Mohammed Has Dick Cheney Eyes).
Free Speech Message Board on Tue, 27th Nov 2018 6:57 pm
Jesus Christ.
Live and let live.
Are you a holy saint?
Why can you have rights, but fags and potheads can’t?
Do you think that you will never be a victim of government abuse?
WTF?
No victim. No crime.
The government is not your daddy. The government is not your mommy.
Who wants to live in a prison?
What country is this?
DavyTurd on Thu, 29th Nov 2018 8:00 am
I’ll admit that my powers of prediction are as accurate as my mentor, Kunt.
Nate Silver at the independent Politics 538 site wrote,
“There shouldn’t be much question about whether 2018 was a wave election. Of course it was a wave. Democratic candidates received as many votes this year (63 million) as the 63 million that President Trump received in 2016, when he won the Electoral College (but lost the popular vote). There isn’t any precedent for the opposition party at the midterm equaling the president’s vote total. The closest thing to an exception is 1970. “The resistance” turned out voters in astonishing numbers, performing well in both traditional swing states in the Midwest — including the states (Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania) that essentially lost Hillary Clinton the presidential election in 2016 — and new-fangled swing states such as Arizona and Texas. Turnout among young voters was high by the standards of a midterm, and voters aged 18 to 29 chose Democratic candidates for the House by 35 points, a record margin for the youth vote in the exit-poll era. The Hispanic share of the electorate increased to 11 percent from 8 percent in the previous midterm.
This year’s results do serve as a warning to Trump in one important sense: His base alone will not be enough to win a second term. ”
The Cons increased their Senate majority by 2 seats, big deal. 3 of the 4 states you cite are Red states, big deal. It’s because Republican voters are concentrated in rural, agrarian states, the GOP had a big advantage in the Senate. Nevertheless, Democrats managed to outperform how their states leaned politically in almost every single race — including in the 10 states with a Democratic incumbent that President Trump won in 2016. And there were four contests where Democratic incumbents fared 20 points or better than their state’s political baseline — and three of them won. This helped Democrats hold onto seats in two heavily Republican states — West Virginia and Montana.
About the future.
Problem No. 1 is that Republicans lost among swing voters: Independent voters went for Democrats by a 12-point margin, and voters who voted for a third-party candidate in 2016 went to Democrats by 13 points.
Problem No. 2, The Republicon base is smaller than the Democratic one.
Why are intelligence and education (in addition to others) excellent predictors of party affiliation? The better educated the individual, the more likely the person is a Democrat. The higher a person’s IQ, the more likely the individual is a Democrat.
JR on Fri, 30th Nov 2018 8:55 pm
Nobody can stay on topic. Same old b.s. from the same old crowd. Guess waiting a year to check this site again wasn’t a waste.
makati1 on Fri, 30th Nov 2018 11:04 pm
JR, go away and come back next year if you don’t like the crowd. There is nothing to talk about concerning oily subjects. They are like articles about the economy. Guesses, lies and bullshit to get a paycheck. No one knows what is going to happen tomorrow and most are just guessing why today’s events happened. The only ones who care are the fools who play the stock market casino.
Davy on Sat, 1st Dec 2018 5:43 am
JR, makati1 and cloggie have nested here on this site driving the off topics. They are have no interest in leaving. They would never survive on a moderated form. They are intellectually parasitic by blocking good comments from smart visitors who might say something with a thread that contains good points. They both have packaged agendas of hate and distortions that end up as lies in their final state. Many other of these types of extremist have already gone but a few like makati1 and cloggie remain. They are lonely intellectually homeless old men without a place to go.
Cloggie on Sat, 1st Dec 2018 7:05 am
JR, makati1 and cloggie have nested here on this site driving the off topics.
Nobody is more off-topic than you, with you filling entire pages with stupid, repetitive insults against those whom you consider to be “anti-American” (anti-Washington really).
They would never survive on a moderated form.
Until Trump this forum WAS moderated. I had regularly messages saying: “your post is awaiting moderation” and once even had an IP-ban.
After November 2016 that stopped completely. My guess is that this forum has been handed over to free-speech completely, including posts by right-wingers, where the lefties can still find a safe-space in the moderated parallel-forum.
Now you have taken upon you the role of “moderator”, without access to The Button.lol
They are intellectually parasitic by blocking good comments from smart visitors
Liar. Nobody is blocking anything, that’s exactly what you hate, empire dave.
They are lonely intellectually homeless old men without a place to go.
Isn’t this “a place”?
And I have several other places in Holland and Germany, where I say exactly the same things, but I admittedly have to adapt the tone.
Davy on Sat, 1st Dec 2018 7:33 am
“Nobody is more off-topic than you, with you filling entire pages with stupid, repetitive insults against those whom you consider to be “anti-American” (anti-Washington really).”
I am on and off topic. When I am off topic it is generally fighting extremist like you. I try to be on topic with energy and collapse issues. I have proposed more on topic commenting but you and billy have no interest. I have also proposed regulars that comment more than others voluntarily comment less i.e. I will comment less if you do. I have also proposed ignoring other commenters like with dirty juanPee who floods this board with attacks and dirty behavior like identity theft and sock puppets. I am not going to allow you two to take over this place or dirty juanPee enforce his dirty censorship. Thank god some of your gang have disappeared like gregt and the increasingly irrelevant juanPee is here far less. Also nice is the fact anonymouse1 is gone most of the time now. Ape man is dead and gone thank god. You and senile billy on the other hand flood this site with racist and anti-American issues. I try to balance the extremism here. It has been working. The two primary holdouts are you and billy. You can’t stand the fact that I moderate and neuter your package of lies.
“Until Trump this forum WAS moderated. I had regularly messages saying: “your post is awaiting moderation” and once even had an IP-ban.”
That was a long time ago neder. I don’t recall an IP ban. Maybe they lost interest and help for moderating. I mean come on you flood this site with off topic shit 20/7. You have admitted you sleep 4 hours. You used to say you worked but I guess you are now unemployed because you are here pretty much constantly. What is amazing is I am sure you have other places you frequent. My god you most wear out keyboards on your various devices.
“After November 2016 that stopped completely. My guess is that this forum has been handed over to free-speech completely, including posts by right-wingers, where the lefties can still find a safe-space in the moderated parallel-forum.”
Maybe
“Now you have taken upon you the role of “moderator”, without access to The Button.lol”
I effectively moderate your lies with the corresponding balance that nullifies your extremist exaggerated versions. Your fantasy futures are easy to shoot down. Your history revisions likewise. Your techno optimistic versions of a reality that are merely theory are easy to find and nullify. You are very easy to moderate neder except for the fact you are here so much. It takes time to keep up with your copy and paste regurgitations that are many times nonsense.
“Liar. Nobody is blocking anything, that’s exactly what you hate, empire dave.”
You block others contributions here by flooding the board with your off topic shit. People are unable to get an idea in because it is drown out by your pet peeves.
“Isn’t this “a place”?”
It is not your place but you act like it is. It is not a place for your multitude of off topic subjects. Do you see Peak Oil and race topics anywhere? How about Peak Oil and Brexit?
“And I have several other places in Holland and Germany, where I say exactly the same things, but I admittedly have to adapt the tone.”
I bet they feel the same way about your puke.
Cloggie on Sat, 1st Dec 2018 7:55 am
You and senile billy on the other hand flood this site with racist and anti-American issues.
Makati has no racialist (=identitarian) motivations whatsoever. Perhaps you forgot to add “respectively”.
That was a long time ago neder. I don’t recall an IP ban.
How can you “recall” my IP-ban?! Perhaps you recall I was absent for a long time?
I mean come on you flood this site with off topic shit 20/7. You have admitted you sleep 4 hours. You used to say you worked but I guess you are now unemployed because you are here pretty much constantly. What is amazing is I am sure you have other places you frequent. My god you most wear out keyboards on your various devices.
That’s because peak oil no longer interests anybody:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/08/19/the-sudden-death-of-peak-oil-4-5-trillion-barrels-of-oil-left/
It was a mistake. There is enough to fry us all. There is a reason why the oil drum, peakoil.nl, etc. closed down. Barrel counting is useless. There are far more interesting topics these days than barrel of oil counting or oil price gazing, namely the unfolding drama in the US Trump-Deep State, Ukraine, Middle East, China, climate change, renewable energy. Oil is being phased out. Expect peak oil demand somewhere before 2030.
I am still very much employed and after Christmas I will be even more employed, so it looks that you will gradually will get rid of me as well. Working on renewable energy, which is what I am going to do in my free time for a startup, is so much more interesting than having to deal with the likes of the mobster and his small repertoire of obsolete 2009 peak oil links.
My keyboard is indeed totally worn-out. During the Fortuyn period in 2002 I was 14 hours per day online for 18 months, writing more than 10,000 posts (in Dutch) about politics, Dutch identity and gradually I began to get interested in history, especially WW2 and of course 9/11. In a matter of a few years I turned from a green liberal yuppie into a what is now called “alt-right” (still green).
I bet they feel the same way about your puke.
Not on the populist forums I frequent.lol
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 1st Dec 2018 8:45 am
Davy
Great points..So true..Maybe we should just ignore them..
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 1st Dec 2018 8:48 am
Clogg
Peak Oil & Drastic Oil Shortages Imminent, Says IEA
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/11/22/peak-oil-drastic-oil-shortages-imminent-says-iea/
There will be an oil shortage in the 2020’s, Goldman Sachs says
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/09/goldman-sachs-there-will-be-an-oil-shortage-in-the-2020s.html
Growing demand for oil will lead to shortage and high prices in 2020s
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2185046-growing-demand-for-oil-will-lead-to-shortage-and-high-prices-in-2020s/
German Military (leaked) Peak Oil study: oil is used in the production of 95% of all industrial goods, so a shortage of oil would collapse the world economy & world governments
https://www.scribd.com/document/387459134/german
Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble – study
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/nov/19/peak-oil-economicgrowth
Your article is baseless..We wouldn’t be fracking, doing tar sands and deep water if there was plenty of oil left..
Its amazing how you just ignore facts and reality..
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 1st Dec 2018 10:46 am
I updated my Peak oil reference list!
More sources than you can possibly imagine..
57 MSM articles, 23 Science papers, 7 Government reports.
https://imgur.com/a/qIPDgxu