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Kunstler: Fairy Tale
Am I imagining that Oprah Winfrey launched her presidential campaign last night at the Golden Globes Awards? Well, why not? Unlike the Golden Golem of Greatness, skulking fiery and furious in his lonesome White House tweet chamber, Americans of all identity persuasions love Oprah. Unlike the president, who attained “stable [for now] genius” status without ever reading a book, Oprah displays real curiosity about this vexing and wondrous world, and an eagerness to engage with it. Unlike the maestro of the janky Trump brand, with his penchant for serial bankruptcy and stiffing the help, Oprah appears capable of running a business empire.
Let’s face it: the Democratic Party has no other figure of gravitas on the bench. Everybody trusts Oprah, probably even more than the erstwhile Barack Obama, with his dogged allegiance to Wall Street and his fifty percent taint of innate white male cis-hetero patriarchical depravity. Oprah might be the Democratic Party’s last best hope before it collapses into the mausoleum of US political history, where the Whigs, Free Soilers, and Anti-Federalists lie a’moldering.
Politics in this land has failed in its effort to become show business, while show business is succeeding wildly in its attempt to replace politics. All Washington can produce these days is a succession of tedious irresolvable soap operas. Hollywood is enacting a grand moral drama of clear-cut heroines and villains, victims and oppressors, sticking to archetypal story-line of our lifetime: the campaign for freedom, equality, and decency. Show business loves the desert sunshine; politics is mired in the Potomac swamp. Oprah even has better hair than the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Oprah herself is an object lesson in the social and political themes that America dares not talk about: a person of humble origins who succeeded wildly in American life by signing onto a once-sturdy and now-fading common culture. In fact, Oprah probably embodies all that remains of American common culture, and the multitudes adore her for it. They are reassured to know that the binding verities still exist. She moves in a realm where blackness and whiteness are emphatically irrelevant — which is surely a relief to people of good will who are sick of race-hustling from all quarters. Though she has credibly acted plenty of sharecropper roles in the movies, Oprah speaks English beautifully and doesn’t apologize for moving up from the ghetto patois of her rough childhood. She may not write all her own material — such as Sunday’s Golden Globes speech that may live on like MLK’s I Have a Dream oration — but she delivers her message with conviction. And who knows, maybe she did compose all or part of it.
One upshot of this is that Oprah might be capable of squaring the circle of America’s black-white racial quandary, which Mr. Obama could not accomplish: namely, restoring the idea that we have more in common as countrymen (countrypersons?) than the artificial barriers of the cultural Marxists falsely insinuate; that skin color, ethnic origin, religious order, and gender do not define adequately what we can be in the world, and maybe we would be better off putting those things aside and just work earnestly to bring out the best in ourselves without excuses..
This country is dying to put its house order. I daresay this is true of the great majority including the immiserated flyover folks who got snookered by Mr. Trump, and the big city hipsters who are coming into their years of power in the awful dimming of American prospects, and maybe even some of the suits in the corporate C-suits who still possess tattered memories of high school civics. I’m not promoting Oprah for president, but just you watch: somebody will. It is going to happen. The country faces enormous problems and predicaments, and the one-man soap opera at the center of it all is doing nothing but sucking all of the oxygen out of the room, leaving everybody else to choke and strangle.
228 Comments on "Kunstler: Fairy Tale"
Go Speed Racer on Mon, 8th Jan 2018 9:39 pm
Oprah for President sounds like a dumb idea.
She hasn’t done the government thing.
Let’s run Bernie Sanders.
He should win.
Makati1 on Mon, 8th Jan 2018 9:52 pm
Go, what difference? The US presidency is nothing more than a clown show to distract the slaves. We had a senile actor, a groper, a village idiot, a black slave and now a crazy billionaire. Why not a greedy, fat, black bitch?
Makati1 on Mon, 8th Jan 2018 10:01 pm
BTW: Davy. the US could have a population of 3,000,000,000+ at the Ps per capita energy use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita
Do you think that it is going to change much after the SHTF in the US? I do not think it will be even noticed by the bottom 90% here. I will be more safe and comfortable here than you ever will be there.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 8th Jan 2018 10:31 pm
Madkat
Your dream of everything being equal in this world is just that, a dream..
Cloggie on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 12:53 am
I’m not promoting Oprah for president
Yes you do.
She moves in a realm where blackness and whiteness are emphatically irrelevant
Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmFlbftFzFQ
This Jesse Lee Peterson guy fits Kunstler’s description of a color-blind African American far better than Oprah:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk_K2hAt23M
My tip for the next Dems candidate: Mark Zuckerberg. He will offer universal health care and perhaps even a basic income. Black voter turnout will be sky high and he will have all the (((media))) behind him.
And then the real destabilization of America will begin in earnest, if Zuckerberg wins (close call).
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 1:57 am
MM, your dream of total collapse and anarchy is a fable. A product of Hollywood. The rest of the world will get along just fine without the US, or you. The US is planned by your masters to be a 3rd world country in the near future. Be patient.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 2:04 am
Madkat
I don’t dream of total collapse. I dont want to die as young as I am. And I defiantly dont want my friends and family to suffer. Its just want the studies conclude. You have no evidence or reason to believe your country or anywhere else will survive. You are an enemy of reason. You just have blind faith and magical thinking.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 2:06 am
CLogg
Zuckerbergs ideas sound way better than giving tax cuts to the 1 percent who dont even need them. Do you know how dumb you sound again?
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 3:35 am
“The rest of the world will get along just fine without the US, or you. The US is planned by your masters to be a 3rd world country in the near future. Be patient.”
mad kat, you live in a fantasy world if you think the rest of the world will be fine and the only collapse will be in the US. It is just part of your agenda peddling that relates to your own personal choice of leaving the US and adopting the P’s. It is a buyer’s remorse kind of thing. You are trying desperately to justify your move that appears to be a poor choice. Why else would you be so rabidly anti-American. That is all that is on your mind. Anyone with a brain understands the global world will live or die together. It will collapse sooner if we don’t cooperate. The P’s has a population of 100MIL today. Carrying capacity is likely 10MIL that you had in 1900. That is a huge reset mad kat, think about it.
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 3:38 am
“And then the real destabilization of America will begin in earnest, if Zuckerberg wins (close call).”
Pretty obvious anymore Presidents are irrelevant unless many other variables come into play. I would also say anymore since the country is so polarized those variables are not going to be present. It is likely the next well oiled government may be military.
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 4:46 am
Some wonder why I say that the US has to be put down now. This is one reason why:
“The US also employs terrorism as seen in the Philippines where Manila’s failure to heed US demands was swiftly followed by the appearance of militants from the Islamic State (IS) armed and funded by Washington’s allies in Riyadh. The militant group’s sudden appearance pressured Manila to continue accommodating the US military’s presence on its territory.”
https://journal-neo.org/2018/01/08/flaunting-british-neo-imperialism-in-asia-pacific/
Tomorrow would be fine with me.
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:06 am
“The US also employs terrorism as seen in the Philippines”
Nonsense, don’t blame decades of exploitation and disregard of your Muslim population on the US. You created your own shit nest.
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:47 am
Davy, your child’s blood covered flag waving is pure bullshit. You are one of the enablers of death around the world so your wasteful lifestyle can continue for a while longer. Plundering 1/4th of the world’s resources to exist is pure evil.
The rest of the world is no longer buying the “democracy” hypocrisy the US shits out daily. They are turning away and isolating the US as should have been done long ago. The US has met it’s match when it tried to punish today’s Russia and China. Even the Ps is no longer taking their bullshit, thanks to their new prez that doesn’t kiss DC butt and knows who has the power today. Russia and China.
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:51 am
Davy, how many innocent children, babies, women and men have been killed by the US empire since WW2? At Least 20 million according to a number of references. That blood is in every gallon of gas and every bite of food you consume.
Maybe you have no family, but if you do, they will be the ones to suffer soon. Blow-back is a bitch and she is coming to America. Sooner than you want to believe.
Dooma on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:53 am
What is it with Americans and their desire to vote in presidents who are celebraties?
Do they think that because someone has made obscene amounts of money that she/he is going to give away fists full of money?
Or that her/his wealth is going to rub off onto them?
Are they really that stupid? Oprah made her fortune by starting off with a shock talk show host not unlike Springer. But don’t mention that Kunstler. You are already moist at the prospect of her in office.
Just because she gives away free stuff on her show DOESN’T MAKE HER POLITICALLY SAVVY. Same goes with her interviews.
Each time America votes in a billionaire instead of someone even a little bit in touch with the reality of what is happening to the vast majority of people, the country just sinks further away from world credibility.
We have a billionaire ex merchant banker as a Prime Minister and it is the worst choice we have ever had. He is trying to block an investigation into our banking system.
But I guess that the real power brokers must be laughing at the stupidity of the electorate. They surely know by now that they can get away with blatant crimes while everyone hopes for a free iPhone.
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:59 am
“Davy, your child’s blood covered flag waving is pure bullshit.”
My kids are not to blame mad kat, you are to blame. Your generation are the ones who have taken the nation down this path. You deserve to be put down not the young of this nation.
“Davy, how many innocent children, babies, women and men have been killed by the US empire since WW2?”
What does that have to do with your blaming Philippines terrorism on the US? You always deflect to something else when you are caught in a miscarriage of the truth.
A rabid old man full of hate and delusions is all you are mad kat.
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 6:34 am
Dooma, most Americans are dumbed down to almost idiot levels. The last intelligent president was Eisenhower. It is the intention of the real powers in the US to keep the serfs distracted and stupid. It is easier to drain their blood if they don’t even know it is happening.
The US is destined to 3rd world status in the next decade. I watch then slide continuing every day from outside the gulag. It is increasing in speed. I see a cliff not far ahead.
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 6:50 am
Davy, your kids are going to pay the price for YOUR greed and support of the system that is going to ruin their lives. Maybe even cut their lives short with a war that they will have to experience first hand and personal.
Do you think that the Filipinos killed in the ISIS problem in Mindanao last year were all military? Nope! They were innocent men, women and children. Families destroyed because the immoral US has to try to run the world.
Because of your rabid defense of your evil country, I hope you experience that family shattering event in your life. You deserve it. Maybe some mall shooter? Or civil war? Or…real war that comes to the US shores?
I think you call murdering innocents “collateral damage”. I wonder what you will call it when it happens to you? If that makes me a “rabid old man” in your eyes, so be it. Some deserve what is going to happen.
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 6:57 am
“Dooma, most Americans are dumbed down to almost idiot levels.”
You are the dumb one mad kat. You moved away from a nice family in the US to a overpopulated 3rd world country. You are living on a social security stipend without health care and no family support system. You now want to blame the US for everything under the sun so as to make a poor decision look smart. This is the only way to explain your one-sided rabid anti-American obsession.
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 7:08 am
“Davy, your kids are going to pay the price for YOUR greed and support of the system that is going to ruin their lives. Maybe even cut their lives short with a war that they will have to experience first hand and personal.”
The future will tell but one thing is for sure you have no idea what the future will bring. You are just a crazy old man in a 3rd world country ranting and raving daily about nothing.
“Do you think that the Filipinos killed in the ISIS problem in Mindanao last year were all military? Nope! They were innocent men, women and children. Families destroyed because the immoral US has to try to run the world.”
They were killed by Duerte’s soldiers mad kat. Take credit where credit is due.
“Because of your rabid defense of your evil country, I hope you experience that family shattering event in your life. You deserve it. Maybe some mall shooter? Or civil war? Or…real war that comes to the US shores?”
DITO, I hope your death is nasty and messy. Being 75 and in a 3rd world country likely not too far off.
“I think you call murdering innocents “collateral damage”. I wonder what you will call it when it happens to you? If that makes me a “rabid old man” in your eyes, so be it. Some deserve what is going to happen.”
When it happens to me I call it life. A difficult life is ahead for all of us and this is why I am a doomer and a prepper. I am doing this as an academic exercise as well as a practical effort at insurance. I want to test theories and ideas for others. I realize this effort may not save me but it has been very interesting and rewarding. I have learn much and have a great passion to pursue. You on the other hand are only in it for yourself. You want everyone to know how smart you are and how stupid and doomed they are. You even tell your friends on this board they are doomed and you made the right choice. You are a demented old man full of hate and this world will not miss you. You are a 75 year old bag of shit wasting air and valuable resources.
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 7:38 am
Drone warfare being practiced in Syria.
“Russia Defends Syrian Military Bases From Massive Drone Attack”
https://tinyurl.com/y9tena99
“As darkness fell, Russia air defense systems detected “13 unidentified small-size air targets at a significant distance” swarming towards the bases. Ten assault drones were fast approaching the Khmeimim air base, and another three were advancing towards the naval base. All attack drones had payloads of what appears to be mortar rounds.”
“Seven UAVs were destroyed by the Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile system, and another six UAVs were hacked with radio equipment. Three of the UAVs landed in a safe area just outside the base, but the others exploded on various landing attempts. The Defense Ministry notes that the defense systems eliminated all threats with no casualties or damages.”
“The Defense Ministry said experts are analyzing the aircraft’s flight components and bomb ordnances for clues. Flight data from the GPS indicates the UAVs could have been launched at a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles). If so, this would be the first long-range drone attack by militants in the Syrian War.”
“After Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a partial withdraw of troops from Syria back in December, militants have been eager to gain an edge with swarming high-tech drones that have remarkable long-range capabilities. The one question that Russia, and others, are asking in this incident: who is supplying the militants with these high-tech, long-range drones?”
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 8:21 am
Makati1
OMG the innocent woman and children the big bad US is killing…MEH..Meh..Feeelings! lol your a self righteous buffoon.
joe on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 10:48 am
It’s liberal virtue signalers lie that religion, beliefs, race and culture should not be a reason that we should treat everyone the same. Ask a Hindoo nationalist or a second generation ‘Pakistan ‘ muslim if we are all the same and the honest one will tell you the truth. Men (specifically christian white men) are the target now because the last of their so called former power is ending. Equality between sees broadens and widens the tax base, global trade implies and end to systemic prejudices and the oppression of secularists over religious views (especially meek views of christians ) is to force fluidity of the operations of the state. But all of these will end in ruin. Ok, women don’t need men as much for protection from other men, they don’t need men for as much financial security, and men are definitely second place to the mother in most family legal cases, but all that can change. Some belief systems will ride equality all the way to domination.
Don’t even get me started on ‘positve discrimination’, the very idea of which is evil and racist and wrong, yet we expect this view forced on the demographic about to be horribly disenfranchised that they will be greatful. Oprah has no kids, she’s barren. White women, don’t forget, you are about to steal from your own son’s future.
Cloggie on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 12:02 pm
“Das Oprah-Amerika”
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/oprah-winfrey-als-us-praesidentin-wie-wahrscheinlich-ist-ihre-kandidatur-a-1186845.html
Now I know where Kunstler got his idea from to push Oprah Winfrey as the next president and turn the oval office in a talk show parlor, namely from the horse masquerading as a woman, I mean Meryl Streep.
The German language “news” outlet of the US deep state der Spiegel is trumpeting its enthusiasm in every direction. She has $2.8B, Trump only $2.1B. Those things count in America. Her platform: fighting racism and wimmins rights. Have your wallet at hand, white man.
Interesting tidbit: in 1997 Trump declared that Oprah would be his favorite running mate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc90K7Kieek
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 1:33 pm
Clogg
Oprah isn’t going to run..Zuckerburger is and he might do the unthinkable! Redistribute the wealth from the rich to the rest! UBI and universal healthcare for all!
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 1:34 pm
And Zuckerburer could do it at the speed of technology!
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 2:17 pm
Check out zucker berger’s gig in Hawaii. He may talk about redistribution just so it’s not his shit being redistributed. The guy is just another rich slimball.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 2:22 pm
Davy
You just dont like Tech because you are old .
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 2:32 pm
It’s Not Just Freezing Classrooms in Baltimore. America’s Schools Are Physically Falling Apart.
More than half of American schools are estimated to be in buildings that are not up to standard.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/01/its-not-just-freezing-classrooms-in-baltimore-americas-schools-are-physically-falling-apart/
Cloggie on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 3:02 pm
“More than half of American schools are estimated to be in buildings that are not up to standard.”
No worries, things will improve markedly after you will have imported another 30 million third world zombies. Remember: “diversity is our strength” (ADL)
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 3:25 pm
Clogg
We imported 1.5 million this year which is less than a 0.24% increase! You exaggerate everything because you are so ignorant and uneducated. And fearful!
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 4:00 pm
“You just dont like Tech because you are old”
Let’s compare our tech. what do you have?
Antius on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 4:02 pm
“We imported 1.5 million this year which is less than a 0.24% increase!”
I had no idea the population of USA had reached 625million 🙂
You are importing these people in huge numbers and they are outbreeding you. Any way you choose to look at it, your country will die within the lifetime of people now living. It will be replaced by something completely different, and the surviving white Americans will be tormented and abused by the children of those that you kindly, but foolishly, allowed to colonize your country.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 4:15 pm
Davy
The more you resist change, the more change fights back and eventually it overcomes your resistance.
Cloggie on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 4:17 pm
White America, the new “Indians”.
https://www.amazon.com/Death-West-Populations-Immigrant-Civilization/dp/0312302592/ref=sr_1_1
https://www.amazon.com/Suicide-Superpower-Will-America-Survive/dp/0312579977/ref=sr_1_4
Suicide organized by the media. Words as weapons.
“racism”, “xenophobia”, “natzi”, “supremacy”, etc.
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 4:45 pm
Cloggie, some/most Americans have no clue about what is happening to them. Especially the white, soon to be minority, Americans. Another generation and most will be of mixed blood and have permanent tans. LOL
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 4:46 pm
Global economic growth has peaked, says World Bank
https://www.ft.com/content/4b9e6190-f55e-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 4:47 pm
Madkat
World economy has peaked! That means it will collapse in the near term! Asia included! HAHA I TOLD YOU SUCKA! NOW I HAVE THE WORLD BANK TO BACK ME UP! AND YOU HAVE ZEROHEDGE LOL
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:00 pm
Clog
We are adding to our population a quarter of one percent a year of immigrants! Are you to dumb for math just like you are for science and engineering? And MADKAT shut the fuck up stop trying to scare ignorant people like clog. We are not going to all have tans because white people still make up around seventy percent of total population.
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:03 pm
“mixed blood and have permanent tans. LOL”
why are you whining mad kat. That is what you have in your adopted country. If it so bad why are you there?
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:03 pm
Davy, you want to come across as an intelligent, open minded person, and then you revert to your immature, closed minded attitude of arrogance, just like Tweedledum. You cannot help it. No one can disagree with you even when you know they are correct.
“You are a demented old man full of hate and this world will not miss you. You are a 75 year old bag of shit wasting air and valuable resources.”
I just tell it like it is. I am a realist*, not a pretender like you. You don’t like the message so you try to putdown the messenger. It’s called denial.
*Realist: a person who understands what is real and possible in a particular situation and is able to deal with problems in an effective and practical way.” M-W
BTW: I am not 75 yet, but I do expect to enjoy life for at least another 10-20 years. You do not have that luxury in the police state called America where true freedom no longer exists.
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:10 pm
Davy, I happen to like permanent tanned people. It may sound cliche but my best friend in the States is black. My second best is a mix of black and Asian. Both very intelligent and successful. I was not raised to be prejudiced.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:12 pm
Madkat
Why are you ignoring me? World economic growth has peaked. per world bank! So much for China’s silk road! I told you you dimwit! You wouldnt listen! Now you are going to be smacked by the two by four called reality!
Makati1 on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:15 pm
MM, The world has 10 apples.(Total world GDP)
2017 –
US has 7 apples
Ps has 3 apples
2027 –
US has 3 apples
Ps has 6 apples
There are fewer apples but the wealth has moved. THAT is the future.
Did I make that easy enough for you to understand?
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:16 pm
2015 2050
White Americans1 77.4% 70.8%
> Non-Hispanic Whites 61.8% 46.6%
Black Americans1 13.2% 14.4%
Asian Americans1 5.3% 7.7%
Multiracial Americans1 2.6% 5.4%
Hispanics (of any race) 17.8% 28.0%
It depends on how you classify white
https://tinyurl.com/jn9chd8
If you consider that a significant amount of hispanics are white them the numbers don’t look so bad.
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:17 pm
“Did I make that easy enough for you to understand?”
you look like you normally do and that is as stupid as ever.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:25 pm
Davy
Did you read what Madkat just said! LOL What an idiot! He cant take the bad news! What a weak minded fool!
MASTERMIND on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:26 pm
Madkat
Did you fall and hurt your head? Your apple analogy made zero sense. Did you even read the article I posted from the Financial Times? I know I am sorry it wasnt the burning platform or global research, but it will have to do! LOL
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:33 pm
Nothing to be finger pointing about.
Immigration to the EU-28 from non-member countries was 2.7 million in 2015.
On 1 January 2016, the number of people living in the EU-28 who were citizens of non-member countries was 20.7 million, while the number of people living in the EU-28 who had been born outside of the EU was 35.1 million.
https://tinyurl.com/yawpq9wy
Graph: Muslims make up 4.9% of Europe’s’ population
https://tinyurl.com/y9zrd6wu
France 8.8%
Germany 6.1%
UK 6.3%
Italy 4.8%
Netherlands 7.1%
Davy on Tue, 9th Jan 2018 5:38 pm
“I was not raised to be prejudiced.”
Sure you are mad kat, when it serves your agenda. When it does not then you are not prejudiced. You are very predictable. You are definitely a Jew baiter because you do not consider them human. You only real position is mad kat.