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Kunstler: Another Mighty Conundrum
The sanctuary city movement, and all its baggage, terminates in one troublesome idea: that the USA should have open borders and that anyone from a foreign land who manages to get here by whatever means is home-free-all. The most recent Democratic nominee for president said just the other day that she dreamed of open borders. The much-abused word dream has been at the center of our discourse about immigration, a purposefully sentimental manipulation of language for a culture struggling to ascertain the boundaries of reality in an era of universal wishful thinking.
Anyone who listens to National Public Radio, for instance, may notice the care they take to keep the boundary as fuzzy as possible vis-à-vis the status of people here from other lands. “Undocumented” has been the favorite trope, a dodge that implies that the people in question are victims of a clerical error — someone over in the Document Division forgot to hand them the right paperwork. Or else they are all simply labeled “immigrants,” leaving out the question of whether they are in the country legally or not. Do not suppose it is mere sloppiness.
Lately, there is the matter of census-takers asking the people they interview — theoretically everybody who resides in the US — whether they are citizens or not. It would seem to be within the legitimate interests of demographic statisticians to ask that question, but it has ignited a firestorm of opposition. All manner of casuistry has been applied by that opposition to rationalize why we wouldn’t want to know whether people here are citizens or not. It all seems to come down to a cynical political calculation that the voter rolls can be eventually padded in favor of the Democratic Party (of which I remain an unhappy registered member, in order to vote in the New York state primary election).
The sanctuary city movement seems to me the most mendacious element of the story, a nakedly emotional appeal against the rule of law. The attorney general of California, Xavier Becerra, lately threatened to fine corporations there that share employee information with federal agents. There has not been such arrant flouting of federal law by state officials since Governor George Wallace stood in the doorway of the University of Alabama crying “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever” in June, 1963 — and we all know how that ended.
I’m among those who would like to see the immigration laws honestly enforced. In fact, I would also like to see the 1965 immigration law reformed to admit far fewer people from any land into this country. We have economic and cultural interests to protect, and they would seem to be self-evident.
So why has there been no move by the federal authorities to impose sovereign federal law over figures like Mr. Becerra, or Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf, who went through the barrio there Paul Revere style warning that the ICE agents were coming? Well, one big reason is the marijuana situation. Nine states have legalized cannabis for recreational use (i.e. for getting high), and 29 have legalized it for medical purposes. This includes all of the states on the “Left Coast.” All of them are flouting federal law in doing that. But imagine the political uproar if the feds tried to step in at this point and quash the cannabis trade. In the early adapters, like Colorado, California, and Washington State, the trade has blossomed into multi-million dollar corporate enterprise, with significant tax revenue.
So, much as I object to the dishonest practices around immigration, I don’t see how the federal government can take principled action against them without first addressing its attitude to the marijuana situation. Of course, that could be easily disposed of by congress adopting a simple law to the effect that the cultivation and sale of cannabis shall be regulated by the states. The craven members of congress apparently don’t even dare to raise the issue of resolving this conundrum, and the thought may have never even entered the mighty golden brain-pan of our president — not to mention The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, Fox-News, or any of the other media organs of public debate. Well, maybe the time has come for that discussion.
129 Comments on "Kunstler: Another Mighty Conundrum"
makati1 on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 6:09 am
“So why has there been no move by the federal authorities to impose sovereign federal law …”
Simple. As I have said on here before, it is all part of the Great Leveling that your masters have planned for you so they can have their one world government. The Us is progressing nicely in that direction. Be patient.
baha on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 6:14 am
Local is better…Let the States decide, marijuana and immigration. The Fed can’t even handle his own money.
pointer on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 7:43 am
Well, Kunstler, it’s clear that you’ve allowed certain factions of the media to do your thinking for you. Certainly there must be more important issues than believing some imaginary story about brown people aka “bad hombres” coming in caravans to rape and kill residents of central North America, to sell them drugs and steal all the good-paying jobs.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 8:00 am
The media is dominated by deep state corrupted blind lying liberals that have destroyed liberalism and the Democratic Party. Kunstler as a card carrying Democrat sees right through the subterfuge of the lie that is the Democratic Party while still acknowledging the idiocies of the Republicans. These type of articles draw out those who take extremist sides. Both sides are a mess and Kunstler does a great job of showing this.
Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 8:33 am
Kunstler is sounding ever more like Trump during the 2016 campaign.
Has Kunstler discovered some hidden love for white America?
Of course not. In reality he is afraid that the intended Great Leveling could backfire in that it finally awakens whitey and his hundreds of millions of guns… oh wait…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xHhbG3wvk
…and that “his” country could be over by Christmas.
Poor mr Kunstler. His “demographic” lost the USSR between 1938-1953 and will lose the US as well, probably shortly after Trump.
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-08-18/review-a-history-of-the-future-by-james-kunstler/
Thus, it’s a complete surprise when Daniel and Evan learn that America has fractured into three separate countries. The most colorful of these is a confederation of southern states called the Foxfire Republic, led by a former country singer named Loving Morrow. Described by Kunstler as a case of “Dolly Parton meets Hitler,” she preaches hatred of various minority groups that allegedly stand in the way of a return to progress.
pointer on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 8:37 am
Agreed, Davy, that both parties are both brain-dead and corrupt. Two good and quick reads for insight on how we got here are “Listen, Liberal!” and “The Wrecking Crew” by Thomas Frank.
Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 8:52 am
The media is dominated by deep state corrupted blind lying liberals that have destroyed liberalism and the Democratic Party.
Wow, meathead knee-deep into conspiracy theories.
Work for you, millimind!
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 9:10 am
Davy
You are in a “Deep State” of paranoia! There is no evidence of any deep state…Which means there is no reason to believe it exists.
Losers are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories, study finds
http://www.psypost.org/2017/09/losers-likely-believe-conspiracy-theories-study-finds-49694
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 9:31 am
kunt is turning into a right winger! He needs a girlfriend desperately. And he world made by hand is laughable. He thinks his small town is going to come roaring back and when wal mart closes down…lOL
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 9:32 am
Every generation used to hope that the next generation would have a better life than them. By no measurable definition can you say that the Boomers are leaving a better world for the generations following them.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 10:10 am
“Kunstler is sounding ever more like Trump during the 2016 campaign.”
Nonsense
“Has Kunstler discovered some hidden love for white America?”
Kunstler smells a rat like many on both side of the political persuasion.
“Of course not. In reality he is afraid that the intended Great Leveling could backfire in that it finally awakens whitey and his hundreds of millions of guns… oh wait…”
Racist nonsense
“…and that “his” country could be over by Christmas.”
Nazi/Gaullist wishful thinking nonsense
“Poor mr Kunstler. His “demographic” lost the USSR between 1938-1953 and will lose the US as well, probably shortly after Trump.”
How about this demographics:
Will Germany Still Belong To Germans In The Near-Future?
Via GEFIRA https://tinyurl.com/ybpfj5ft
“The speed with which the German population is shrinking seems to be even too much for the statisticians of Destatis, the official German bureau of statistics, who posit that by 2060, with a zero level of net immigration, the German population will have declined to 60,2 million. However, our research team has found out that this number is far too optimistic: in 40 years Germany will have a population of 52,6 million people, a considerable 34% drop from the current 81 million inhabitants, and by the end of the century the native German population, the indigenous people without a migration background, will have shrunk even further and be approaching 21,6 million. The explanation that Destatis has mailed us is tantamount to admitting that their projections are unrealistic. If the German elites succeed in maintaining their population at 80 million, in 2060 the majority of naturalized Germans will have no historical relation to the nation’s ancestors who were once proud subjects of the Holy Roman Empire. Moreover, they will stand in the same relation to Albert Schweitzer, Johann Sebastian Bach, Karl Benz and Friedrich Nietzsche as Recep Tayyip Erdoğan stands to the Byzantine emperors. The excessive numbers of migrants will have altered the German nation forever.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 10:13 am
“You are in a “Deep State” of paranoia! There is no evidence of any deep state…Which means there is no reason to believe it exists.”
It hurts some people so much when their beloved ideas are shown to be fake and corrupted. They attack you at first but eventually as the rank and stench of the lies come out they quiet down Eventually they finally shut up or appear delusional. The ones who continue the bluster are seen for who they are and that is insane.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 10:15 am
“kunt is turning into a right winger! He needs a girlfriend desperately. And he world made by hand is laughable. He thinks his small town is going to come roaring back and when wal mart closes down…lOL”
Kunstler is exposing people like you master baiter as the clown you are turning out to be.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 10:22 am
Here is an example of the coming Nazi/Gaullist utopia Empire we hear about daily from the dumb dutch guy. Look in the mirror dumb n dutch can you see hypocrisy. Can you smell the stench of decline and decay?
“Car Rams Into Group Of Pedestrians In German City; At Least 3 Killed”
https://tinyurl.com/y7xryhjs
“At least three people have reportedly been killed and several more injured (perhaps fatally) after a car rammed into a crowd on the streets of Muenster, a city in western Germany. Images of the scene of the incident, which unfolded around the Kiepenkerl statue in Munster’s old town, are beginning to emerge on Twitter. Around 30 people are believed to have been injured, according to RT. However, unconfirmed reports circulating online said 7 had been killed, and another 50 had been injured. Sky News reported that a small truck drove into a group of people who were seated in near the statue. In the photo below, the debris from what appear to be wooden chairs can be see scattered across the scene. Unconfirmed reports say the driver is dead.”
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 10:28 am
Dumb n dutch, looks like we are doing more than you are doing about borders.
“Texas National Guard Deploying To Border Within 72 Hours; DOJ Enacts “Zero Tolerance” Policy”
https://tinyurl.com/yahues2u
“Arizona and Texas will be sending 400 National Guard members to the southern border in response to President Donald Trump’s Wednesday Executive Order directing the troops to “assist the border patrol” in guarding the nation’s existing border fence – and of course the many miles of completely unprotected crossing zones. The troops will be armed for self defense “depending on the mission set,” according to Brig. Gen. Tracy Norris, commander of the Texas Army National Guard, who added that it was “premature right now to know what the cost will be” of the overall operation. “Tonight there are National Guard troops moving in support of the border security mission,” said chief Pentagon spokesperson Dana White, who added “”The National Guard’s efforts will include aviation, engineering, surveillance, communications, vehicle maintenance and logistical support.”
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 10:40 am
Davy
If you have a source of some credible evidence that this deep state exist, I am all ears. Prove yourself Davy! Or shut the fuck up and get over to infowars with all your tin foil hat buddies!
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 10:51 am
Davy
How is Kunt exposing me? What is there to expose exactly. You know how paranoid you sound! You think anyone who objects to your tin foil hat conspiracies is part of the conspiracy! Now that is deluded.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:05 am
Russia has restarted the Cold War – but this time as an outlaw state fighting only to assert its own power
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/07/russia-has-restarted-cold-war-time-outlaw-state-fighting-assert/
Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:18 am
“Car Rams Into Group Of Pedestrians In German City; At Least 3 Killed”
It was a DIESEL!!!!!
Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:21 am
Dumb n dutch, looks like we are doing more than you are doing about borders.
“Texas National Guard Deploying To Border Within 72 Hours; DOJ Enacts “Zero Tolerance” Policy”
I’m deeply impressed, Meathead.
You Americans are all so ruthless, merciless and straight to the point. You folks take no shit, so much is certain.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/967415441839796225
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:22 am
“If you have a source of some credible evidence that this deep state exist, I am all ears. Prove yourself Davy! Or shut the fuck up and get over to infowars with all your tin foil hat buddies!”
Master baiter, use a different word for “deep state” if it is easier on your snowflake ears. We are talking about the inner workings of the apparatus of state. Can you understand that? Intelligence services combined with coopted bureaucratic administration supported and coopted by various leadership nodes in the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial services on both sides of the political spectrum. This is then supported and coopted by corporate and plutocratic nodes of power both domestic and foreign, IOW a global cable of thieves. Surely you can get a feel for that or is that not touchy feely enough for a flaky snowflake guy like you?
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:26 am
“How is Kunt exposing me? What is there to expose exactly. You know how paranoid you sound! You think anyone who objects to your tin foil hat conspiracies is part of the conspiracy! Now that is deluded.”
You expose yourself as a lunatic dumbass and a great reason for the stupid extremist anti-Americans to have a reason to be anti-American. You are an example of an ugly American. You are a blind lying liberal dumbass on top of that. You are intellectually lame and redundantly boring with the same links and references posted nonstop.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:28 am
“Russia has restarted the Cold War – but this time as an outlaw state fighting only to assert its own power”
Please quit looking like a dumbass master baiter. The subject is much more complicated.
GregT on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:40 am
“You expose yourself as a lunatic dumbass and a great reason for the stupid extremist anti-Americans to have a reason to be anti-American. You are an example of an ugly American.”
You’re projecting again Davy.
GregT on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:53 am
“looks like we are doing more than you are doing about borders.”
We? When was the last time that ‘you’ strapped an assault rifle over ‘your’ shoulder, and went on a hunting safari for some indigenous Americans?
Now you have to admit, that it’s sad, ironic, and somewhat comical all at the same time, that a nation of illegal immigrants is now fighting to keep the indigenous peoples out.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:07 pm
Slimy, go back to bed your groupies have already retired from the fight. You have your big rallies by night but I own the morning. Chump
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:09 pm
Davy
You are right you talking about the deep state. because you have no evidence to prove it! At least I can back up what i say with reasons! I have a question, is George Soro’s apart of this deep state as well? How about the Hispanic street gang MS-13? LOL
GregT on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:11 pm
“The subject is much more complicated.”
Actually, the subject is every bit as simple as that, except that MM has things a little bit mixed up.
‘The USA has restarted the Cold War – but this time as an outlaw state fighting only to assert its own power.’
There, fixed it for him.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:12 pm
Illegal immigrants barely even want to come to America anymore. Illegal immigration has dropped 80 percent since 2000. That is more than a fivefold decrease in less than 20 years. One new immigrant is being added per every 1000 Americas…Pure right wing scaremongering..
https://imgur.com/a/8wf3O
https://www.scribd.com/document/375672329/CBP-Border-Security-Report-Fiscal-Year-2017
One new immigrant is being ag
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:12 pm
Slimy, it won’t be long before you whine about your borders. Talkin about assault rifles you are the gun freak. Tell the audience about all the guns and ammo you have hypocrite. In the old days before you came out of the closet as a Nazi & bisexual, you would brag about your guns.
GregT on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:12 pm
“You have your big rallies by night but I own the morning. Chump”
LOL 🙂
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:14 pm
You and mm are really very close being both simpletons. No wonder you like pricking him, slimy.
Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:14 pm
Wow, the two strongest supporters of the US empire, Davy and Millimind, going at each other’s throat.
[insert vile Natzi grin here]
Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:16 pm
You are right you talking about the deep state. because you have no evidence to prove it!
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy-ebook/dp/B000UZQIF6/ref=sr_1_1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_v3hqtCl0
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:17 pm
It’s true slimy. Where are your dumbass groupies now? Billy 3rd world went to bed with his tail between his legs after two comments. I know you though slimy, you will keep this up until you get the last word in. You are one obsessive stupid anti-American Canadian.
GregT on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:17 pm
“Slimy, it won’t be long before you whine about your borders.”
I don’t have any borders Davy. I’m an individual, not a tax farm.
“Talkin about assault rifles you are the gun freak.”
Firearms in the right hands are tools for hunting, and self defence. In the wrong hands they are weapons of offence, used to murder other people.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:19 pm
Dumb n Dutch, your slimy Nazi supporter is up so I see you feel emboldened. Lol. You pussies need cover to show your pussies.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:22 pm
Shut up ultranationalistic slimy closet Nazi. You think you are safe up there in the Butt hole of the Continent. You love your stupid BC but try to hide it. Just be honest and quit being slimy.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:27 pm
Davy
Are you on “FarmersOnly”dot com? You dont have to be lonely at Davy’s lonely dot com!
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:31 pm
Radical-right wing groups reach all time high
https://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/radical_right_wing_groups_reach_all_time_high/
Charlottesville attack shows homegrown terror on the right is on the rise
https://theconversation.com/charlottesville-attack-shows-homegrown-terror-on-the-right-is-on-the-rise-78242
U.S. sees 300 violent attacks inspired by far right every year
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-sees-300-violent-attacks-inspired-far-right-every-year
The Year in Hate: Trump buoyed white supremacists in 2017, sparking backlash among black nationalist groups
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2018/02/21/year-hate-trump-buoyed-white-supremacists-2017-sparking-backlash-among-black-nationalist#.Wo4UQrTcGtg.twitter
Anti-Semitic incidents soared in 2017, marking nation’s largest single-year increase, report finds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/02/27/anti-semitic-incidents-soared-in-past-year-anti-defamation-league-report-finds/?utm_term=.27a3b282ec1a
MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:32 pm
Hackers breach dozens of voting machines brought to conference
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/344488-hackers-break-into-voting-machines-in-minutes-at-hacking-competition
Russians compromised election systems in seven states
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-election/russians-compromised-election-systems-in-seven-states-nbc-news-idUSKCN1GC01E
Top-Secret NSA Report: Details Russian Hacking Effort Days before 2016 Election
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/
Fake news sharing in US is a rightwing thing, says Oxford study http://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/polarization-partisanship-and-junk-news/
Study: Fake news may have won Trump the election
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/03/study-fake-news-may-have-won-trump-the-election/
GregT on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:33 pm
“You love your stupid BC but try to hide it.”
I’ve travelled the world over Davy, the only continent that I haven’t visited is Antarctica. I’ve seen some amazing places, but nothing that even comes remotely close to right here.
That being said, I’m not at all a fan of top down centralized control. It always leads to corruption.
GregT on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:38 pm
MM,
Smack talking your duly elected President, isn’t exactly an intelligent thing to do in a democratic society, and neither is blaming the Russians on how your fellow citizens voted.
United you stand, divided you will fall.
Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:38 pm
You love your stupid BC but try to hide it.
Why should somebody try to hide his love for a given territory?
Aha, to avoid being called a “ultranationalistic slimy closet Nazi.”
Check. Got it.
Seriously, Greg is one of the least nationalist people on this board. I really wonder if Meathead even has a beginning of an understanding of what a nationalist is.
Fortunately I’m here to give Meathead an intellectual hand in this matter… a nationalist is somebody who places value in the continued existence of a given territoriality and homogeneous population, bonded together over many centuries.
#BloodAndSoil
I’m old enough to know how it feels to live in a 100% “pure” Dutch society and can confirm it is far better than this multicult sh*tpile it is becoming today, where nobody feels at home anymore.
I remember the first black person to enter the Dutch media landscape, the American dancer and singer Donald Jones, end fifties:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcbkv51baU
(“I would love to put you in a box”)
He was funny and everybody loved him. But meanwhile the Dutch stopped loving the never ending influx of foreigners and stopped laughing.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:39 pm
“Are you on “FarmersOnly”dot com?
master baiter, i have a wife unlike you who has your 5 friends on call 24/7.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:41 pm
“but nothing that even comes remotely close to right here.”
Too bad the people are the ugliest in the world both in appearance and personality. That would ruin the place for me.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:46 pm
“Seriously, Greg is one of the least nationalist people on this board. I really wonder if Meathead even has a beginning of an understanding of what a nationalist is.”
What kind of answer is that dumb n dutch, you guys are Nazi allies, of course you are going to defend him. One needs to only see how ultra-anti-American slimy is to understand he is playing a game of deception. He is a true and blue ugly Canadian anti-American dedicated and extreme.
“He was funny and everybody loved him. But meanwhile the Dutch stopped loving the never ending influx of foreigners and stopped laughing.”
You dumb dutch people deserve more foreigners because of the way you have exploited and colonized the world for hundreds of years.
GregT on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:49 pm
“Too bad the people are the ugliest in the world both in appearance and personality.”
They are no different in either appearance, or personality, from the exact same people living south of the human imaginary line drawn in the sand called the Canada / US border. Oh, except that Canada isn’t anywhere near as racially mixed. And Davy, many of the people around these parts, moved here from the US of A.
GregT on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:51 pm
“you guys are Nazi allies, of course you are going to defend him. One needs to only see how ultra-anti-American slimy is to understand he is playing a game of deception. He is a true and blue ugly Canadian anti-American dedicated and extreme.”
Your paranoid delusions are becoming more and more complicated Davy. Not a good sign buddy.
Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 1:00 pm
“They are no different in either appearance, or personality”
You Canadians are disgusting people. The ugliest anti-Americans I have dealt with on this board are Canadians. You people are sick in the head. No wonder your country is going down the drain.