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Khashoggi killers to be tried in kingdom
Foreign Minister Jubeir slams global outcry over journalist’s killing as ‘hysterical’, saying investigations take time.
Saudi Arabia has admitted Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside its consulate in the Turkish city of Istanbul.
Khashoggi – a Saudi writer, US resident, and Washington Post columnist – entered the building on October 2 to obtain documentation certifying he had divorced his ex-wife so he could remarry.
After weeks of repeated denials that it had anything to do with his disappearance, the kingdom eventually acknowledged that the murder was premeditated. The whereabouts of his body are still unknown.
Here are the latest developments:
Saturday, October 27
Saudi FM: Khashoggi issue has become ‘hysterical’
Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir has criticised the global outcry surrounding Khashoggi’s killing as “hysterical” and rejected Turkey’s demand to extradite the suspects.
“The issue has become fairly hysterical,” Jubeir said, adding that investigations take time and facts should be determined as inquiries continue.
Answering questions from journalists at a regional summit in Bahrain, Jubeir described Saudi Arabia’s relationship with the United States as “ironclad”, despite earlier comments from US Secretary of State James Mattis that the killing “undermines regional stability”.
Saudi FM: Khashoggi murder suspects will not be extradited
Riyadh dismissed Ankara’s calls to extradite 18 Saudis wanted for the murder of Khashoggi.
“The individuals are Saudi nationals. They’re detained in Saudi Arabia, and the investigation is in Saudi Arabia, and they will be prosecuted in Saudi Arabia,” Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir told a regional defence forum in Bahrain.
He was responding to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who on Friday renewed his call for the 18 men to be extradited for trial in Turkey.
Mattis: Khashoggi killing ‘undermines regional stability’
US Defence Secretary James Mattis said that Khashoggi’s murder “undermines regional stability” and that the US intends to take further action in response.
Speaking to an audience of international officials in Bahrain, Mattis avoided mentioning Saudi Arabia in connection with the murder but did say that US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had already revoked some Saudi visas and “will be taking additional measures”.
“With our collective interests in peace and unwavering respect for human rights in mind, the murder of Jamal Khashoggi in a diplomatic facility must concern us all,” he said.
He added that “our respect for the Saudi people is undiminished” but that respect “must come with transparency and trust”.
Mattis also argued that Russia could not replace US commitment to the Middle East, saying that Moscow lacked essential moral principles, and renewed criticism of Iran’s “outlaw regime”.
Friday, October 26
France’s Macron says Khashoggi killing no reason to halt arms sales to Saudi
French President Emmanuel Macron has dismissed calls by several European countries to suspend arms sales to Saudi Arabia following Khashoggi’s murder, calling them “pure demagoguery”.
Any sanctions should target “a field of activity … or individuals or interests who have been shown to have had something to do with the murder of Mr Khashoggi”, Macron told a news conference in Slovakia’s capital, Bratislava, adding “it’s pure demagoguery to say that we should stop selling arms”.
“That has nothing to do with the Khashoggi affair. That is linked to the situation in Yemen [where Saudi Arabia is fighting Houthi rebels], which requires a very close follow-up”.
He added that any sanctions following Khashoggi’s killing should be imposed at a European level “once the facts have been established”.
Khashoggi’s fiancee: Why I declined Trump’s invitation
The fiancee of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi has called for those responsible for his murder to be brought to justice, adding that she declined an invitation by US President Donald Trump to visit the White House.
Hatice Cengiz, a Turkish national, made the comments in an emotional interview with broadcaster Haberturk on Friday, her first TV appearance since Khashoggi’s killing inside the kingdom’s consulate in Istanbul more than three weeks ago.
“I demand that all those involved in this savagery from the highest to the lowest levels are punished and brought to justice,” she said.
In her interview with the Turkish broadcaster, Cengiz said Trump has invited her to visit the White House but said she would not go until the US was sincere in its efforts to uncover the truth behind Khashoggi’s killing.
Referring to Trump’s invitation, she said: “I perceived it as a statement to win public favour”.
Turkey seeks extradition of 18 Saudi suspects
Turkish prosecutors plan to seek the extradition of 18 suspects over the killing of Khashoggi.
Anadolu Agency said on Friday the Istanbul chief prosecutor’s office submitted its request to Turkey’s justice ministry, adding that the foreign ministry would formally request the extraditions.
“The reasoning behind the extradition request is that Jamal Khashoggi was murdered in Turkey by Saudi nationals who traveled to Turkey for this specific purpose,” a senior Turkish official said.
“It is clear that the judicial system in Turkey is better equipped to genuinely serve the cause of justice in this case,” the official added.
“The court proceedings in Turkey will be open to international observers in order to ensure the greatest level of transparency.”
Erdogan: Turkey has more evidence of killing
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Ankara has more documents and information, which it will reveal “when the time is right”.
During a speech to provincial members of his AK Party in the Turkish capital, Erdogan called on Saudi Arabia to reveal who gave the order for the dissident journalist to be killed.
He also announced that the chief Saudi prosecutor will be arriving in Istanbul on Sunday to meet with his Turkish counterpart as part of the investigation into Khashoggi’s murder.
Erdogan added that Khashoggi’s killer is likely to be among the 18 men arrested by Riyadh.
“There is no other explanation, the perpetrator is among these 18 people and if it isn’t then you have to explain who is the local collaborator,” he said.
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During the speech, Erdogan also called on the Saudis to hand over the men arrested in connection with the murder to Turkish authorities.
“If you are determined to lift this shroud of mystery, then this is the key point of our collaboration,” he said.
Mehmet Celik, a journalist from Daily Sabah, a pro-government English language newspaper in Turkey, said Erdogan had taken a more forceful position in the speech than previously.
“I think this is one of the harsher remarks Erdogan made on the case and he named both King Salman and Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.
“I think the [tone] and the language he used was significant in today’s speech, he was definitely harsher, he said the explanations made so far by Saudi Arabia were “childish” and he demanded more concrete and consistent answers from Saudi Arabia,” said Celik.
Search for Khashoggi’s body
Al Jazeera’s Alan FIsher said the speech showed that Turkey remained fully committed to getting to the bottom of Khashoggi’s killing.
He said that searches by Turkish authorities of a well in the consular grounds and a forest on the outskirts of Istanbul may suggest that Khashoggi’s remains have been disposed of in more than one location.
“The horrific reality is that we might be looking at not just one site, but perhaps two, three – even more – where perhaps this body has been scattered … The Turks seem to be on the mind that the body wasn’t taken out of the country and they therefore want the Saudis to point to this so-called Turkish cooperator,” he said.
Kremlin: No reason to doubt Saudi statements
Russia said it believes Saudi royals were not involved in Khashoggi’s murder after Russian President Vladimir Putin discussed the case with Saudi King Salman.
Dmitry Peskov, a Kremlin spokesman, called a journalist’s question on whether Moscow fully believes that the royals had no part in the murder “inappropriate”.
“There’s an official statement from the king, there’s an official statement from the crown prince and no one should have any grounds not to believe them,” Peskov said during a conference call on Friday.
Putin spoke to King Salman by telephone on Thursday to discuss “the situation around the case of Khashoggi”, according to a Kremlin statement.
In the wake of the Khashoggi controversy, a number of international leaders as well as prominent CEOs pulled out of an investment summit in Riyadh.
Al Jazeera’s Step Vaessen, reporting from Moscow, said that a Russian delegation did attend the Future Investment Initiative.
“It has been said, that Russia might be taking advantage of the deteriorating relationship between Saudi Arabia and a lot of Western countries,” she said.
Turkish foreign minister speaks with Saudi counterpart
Turkey’s Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has had a telephone call with his Saudi counterpart Adel al-Jubeir, a Turkish foreign ministry source said on Friday.
No information has so far been revealed about the content of the call.
Germany welcomes plan for joint EU position on Saudi arms deals
Germany’s Economy Minister Peter Altmaier said he welcomed Austria’s proposal for a joint European position on arm exports to Saudi Arabia.
Altmaier made the comments in an interview with German broadcaster Deutschlandfunk (DLF) on Friday.
The German government has agreed not to deliver weapons to the kingdom at the moment, he said in an interview during a visit to Turkey, adding that the effect of that decision would be stronger if European countries adopted a common position.
US praises Saudi move to lift travel ban on Khashoggi’s son
The son of slain journalist Jamal Khashoggi, Salah, arrived in the United States after Saudi Arabia lifted a travel ban.
A State Department spokesperson said the US welcomed the decision by Riyadh to allow the dual Saudi-American citizen to go.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo discussed Salah’s status during his recent visit to the kingdom, spokesman Robert Palladino told reporters.
Palladino said Pompeo “made it clear to Saudi leaders that he wanted Salah Khashoggi to return to the United States, and we are pleased that he is now able to do so”.
The destination of Salah and his family was not known, but his late father lived in the Washington area.
The Saudi leadership drew sharp condemnation this week for staging a photo-op showing a clearly uncomfortable Salah shaking hands with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who has been accused of orchestrating Khashoggi’s murder.
UN: Khashoggi was victim of ‘extrajudicial execution’
The United Nations special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions said Khashoggi’s killing bears the hallmark of an extrajudicial execution.
“What we know is sufficient to suggest very strongly that Mr Khashoggi was the victim of an extrajudicial execution and that the Saudi Arabia government is implicated in one way or another,” Agnes Callamard told Al Jazeera.
Callamard called for an international investigation into Khashoggi’s murder earlier in the day at a UN session in New York City.
Faisal Fahad, the Saudi representative on the UN committee, said Callamard had overstepped her remit with her comments. “Kindly do not give us any personal opinions in this official meeting,” he said.
Al Jazeera’s Diplomatic Editor James Bays, reporting from the United Nations, said it’s unclear if an international probe will come to fruition.
“The UN secretary general [Antonio Guterres] says he will only form a panel to investigate if he gets a referral from one of the main bodies of the UN – the Security Council, the General Assembly, or the Human Rights Council, or from one of the countries concerned,” he said.
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| Agnes Callamard, the UN’s Special Rapporteur on Extra-Judicial Summary or Arbitrary Executions [Karim Kadim/AP] |
CIA director briefs Trump on Turkey evidence
CIA chief Gina Haspel returned from Turkey and briefed US President Donald Trump on her findings in the Khashoggi killing, the US State Department said.
“The president received a briefing from Director Haspel this morning following her return from Turkey. She briefed the president on their [Turks’] findings and her discussions,” spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said in a statement.
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The Washington Post, which Khashoggi contributed to as a columnist, has reported that Haspel listened to “compelling” audio recordings from Turkey’s government that captured the killing of the Saudi writer.
Al Jazeera’s Mike Hanna, reporting from Washington, DC, said the Trump-Haspel meeting was crucial as the US president said he wanted all the evidence available before making a decision on how to respond to Saudi Arabia.
He noted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also attended the meeting, but there were no other details of exactly what was discussed.
“The silence is a bit strange given that President Trump had been so adamant in recent days that this was a critical meeting in terms of the US getting information to determine how it’s going act in the days ahead,” said Hanna.
Khashoggi Friends Association holds global protest demanding justice
Supporters of Jamal Khashoggi gathered in cities around the world calling for those responsible for his murder to be held accountable.
In Istanbul, a man wearing a mask of Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, with fake blood on his hands, stood outside the consulate where he was killed more than three weeks ago.
The demonstrations were organised by a group calling itself the Khashoggi Friends Association, which is demanding justice for his murder.
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Protests were also held in London, Paris, and Washington, DC.
The event was not just a call for accountability for Khashoggi’s death, it was also an appeal to leaders in the Middle East to respect freedom of speech, highlighting “journalism is not a crime“.
96 Comments on "Khashoggi killers to be tried in kingdom"
Here we go again on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 11:27 am
Believe me, the CIA gave the thumbs up to this dirty deed….God Bless America
Davy on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 12:13 pm
Just like Seth Rich, huh, mini golf?
God bless Hillary
Davy on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 12:33 pm
We have rules here mini gulf.
I and me alone control this board. Nobody is allowed to post anything here unless I approve it first. Play by our rules or you will be neutered until my last dying breath. That’s a promise. dumbass
Davy on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 12:34 pm
“The Boomer Bomber, Naked Emperors and the End of Civility”
https://tinyurl.com/yd3vwgfd
“Recently Hillary Clinton picked herself up off the couch to declare that it was time to end being civil to her political opponents. Honestly, I thought this statement rich from someone who has so many dead bodies her scattered behind her.”
“It is simply a reminder that Hillary is the symbol of where the Progressive left’s end game always was. Politics is the art of masking the use of violence to achieve political and social goals. It is the process of empowering the State, itself an instrument of violence, to impose one group’s will over that of another.”
“And yet, sadly, the most important part of analyzing what is happening here is that this is still very early in this process. The breakdown of political civility, now with open calls for violence against those they disagree with, is truly just starting.”
“And the people manipulating this for their own benefit, the George Soroses and the Tom Steyers, whose stated goal is to destroy the United States, have finally been outed as the puppet masters they’ve always been.”
“That brings me to the Boomer Bomber and his Orgy of Evidence Van. This guy is a perfect example of why these people’s machinations no longer have the same impact they used to. The Boomer Bomber is literally a cartoon version of what the average white, upper-middle class, smug liberal thinks every Trump supporter looks like. He’s literally straight out of Central Casting for the latest episode of NCIS or Homeland. They create these visions of the world in fiction and then try to make that into reality to give credence to the propaganda. But, it’s not working anymore. Being generous, the only people who believe this guy isn’t a patsy for a Democrat plot to derail a Republican sweep in the Mid-Terms are people who already view the world through this very narrow lens of false reality. The willfully blind and ideologically possessed who want to believe that these barbarians are at the entrances to their gated communities coming to lynch them for being Socialists.”
deadly on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 2:18 pm
It doesn’t matter who the Saudis send in, Charles Manson trumps their best efforts.
The death of one journalist is a tragedy, the deaths of 50 thousand Yemenis, a statistic.
Another couple of hundred billion in arms deals will increase the death toll. Death is a growth industry, it pays to die.
It’s permanent war these days, so nothing is going to change.
Sissyfuss on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 3:14 pm
The “Crowded Rat Syndrome” is manifesting itself throughout the world, and becoming quite obvious on this blog as well. Don’t expect it to improve.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 4:23 pm
Sisy
Excellent comment..I agree..
onlooker on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 4:43 pm
For those not familiar with the “Crowded Rat Syndrome”
https://io9.gizmodo.com/how-rats-turned-their-private-paradise-into-a-terrifyin-1687584457
how-rats-turned-their-private-paradise-into-a-terrifyin-Dystopia
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 4:45 pm
I still hate you sisy because you are an old white guy. I would like to breed your grandchildren.
Cloggie on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 4:56 pm
Syria summit with Russia, Germany and France, hosted by Turkey.
The US may have initiated the war, but currently no longer matters:
https://www.voanews.com/a/european-russian-leaders-join-erdogan-at-summit-on-syrian-civil-war/4630443.html
“I still hate you sisy because you are an old white guy. I would like to breed your grandchildren.”
There are people out there who don’t like you either:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/27/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting
No breeding for you, you punk. Are you prepared for #110? It’s underway:
https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm
Sissyfuss on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 5:17 pm
You’re a sick bitch, Miniscule Mind. A crowded rat of the lowest quality.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 6:03 pm
Clogg
You’re a politician, don’t become one of Hitler’s children..
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 6:05 pm
Sissy
I didn’t say that above comment about your grand children..
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 6:09 pm
When the collapse hits in a few year, the men will rape the women brutally.. There will be two or three men on one woman sometimes even — husbands and children were forced to watch …. the younger more attractive women will be raped multiple times and be passed around by the men..
Davy on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 6:13 pm
I said it. I am tired of your stupid games, so I am going to drag everyone down to my level.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 6:21 pm
I can’t help these crazy thoughts they just happen and then there are voices. Am I a bad person or just mentally Ill? I don’t know any more.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 6:50 pm
Alec Baldwin: ‘We Need To Overthrow The Government’
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-apos-overthrow-government-072010829.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&fbclid=IwAR0L068SR-j7XwpVsXfovxvPClHnL4alqgu-yIH2NWPpFi41-pxk_NPUhL4
Cloggie on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 8:48 pm
“Alec Baldwin: ‘We Need To Overthrow The Government’”
“By voting”, this Baldwin character adds. But the tone is indeed one of seeking a justification for violent overthrow. Libtard’s America’s last gasp.
Just try it, Baldwin and finally get your CW going and pave the way for the rise of PBM and its coming “Operation Enduring Europeanness” in a balkanized North-America. This ZOG-sharade has lasted long enough.
“You’re a sick bitch, Miniscule Mind. A crowded rat of the lowest quality.”
Show more respect for your owners, Siss.
Btw wanna borrow my AK-47? They are all like that.
Cloggie on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 9:28 pm
Assad and Putin offer Europe to take back all refugees, provided Europe pays for the reconstruction of Syria.
http://www.pi-news.net/2018/10/putins-syrien-rueckfuehrungsprogramm/
deadly on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 9:42 pm
Eleven Chosen Ones bit the dust today in Pennsylvania.
Just another hard day on the planet even for the Jews today. Not a tragedy, just some more statistics. Bury the dead bodies and let everything get back to normal, get over it.
Hate rules the planet.
GetAVasectomyAndLetTheHumanSpecieDie on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 9:55 pm
Arab are useless shit skin. They have contributed nothing in the last 1000 years. It is time to start exterminating them. Nobody likes them. Russian must be really weak if they feel the need to associate with Arab.
Each time an Arab died, good news to the world.
We have to stop selling western technology to the Arab and let them die. Whites are in danger of die off not Arab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L8Z8fz7KQc
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 10:19 pm
‘This is an authoritarian era’ — and investors should be worried, says Richard Haass
“For 70, 75 years, we’ve had this rules-based international system, no great power wars, muted rivalries … and now when I look at the world and the people running the world, it gives me pause. I’m worried that when historians look back on this moment, they’re going to see this is the beginning of the unraveling.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/26/this-is-an-authoritarian-era-investors-should-worry-richard-haass.html?__source=twitter
Blue Tsunami on Sat, 27th Oct 2018 11:09 pm
DavyTurd: Your source for intelligent and balanced commentary- NOT.
“You do realize that this could be a set up…right or maybe you are not that smart.”
DavyTurd doubles down on the conspiracy nonsense as evidence grows against the bomber.
This latest news from the Miami Herald:
“In South Florida, where the sun shines year round, dreams and schemes grow like hothouse flowers. Sayoc finally found his true calling two years ago at a rally for Donald Trump in West Palm Beach. He bought a red Make America Great Again cap, carried a poster mocking Trump critics and joined the boisterous throng in chants of “Lock her up!””
“He plastered his van with stickers glorifying Trump and superimposing rifle-scope crosshairs on the faces of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. He began berating his lesbian boss at the pizza parlor, telling her she would burn in hell with the blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Muslims and gays who were ruining America.”
“This past Friday, nearly two years after Trump defeated Clinton for president and less than two weeks before the Nov. 6 midterm elections, Sayoc was arrested at a Plantation AutoZone and charged with mailing pipe bombs to a dozen prominent Democrats around the country, including former President Obama. The manila envelopes, replete with misspelled names and packed with crude explosive materials, passed through the Opa-locka postal facility just miles from where Sayoc, 56, grew up in Aventura and graduated from North Miami Beach High School.”
DavyTurd, however, has repeatedly told us he is “Neutral, fair, and balanced.”
The Turd is nuttier than a fruit cake, that’s for sure.
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 2:23 am
This is an authoritarian era’ — and investors should be worried, says Richard Haass
“For 70, 75 years, we’ve had this rules-based international system, no great power wars, muted rivalries … and now when I look at the world and the people running the world, it gives me pause. I’m worried that when historians look back on this moment, they’re going to see this is the beginning of the unraveling.”
Until 2016, (((Richard Haass))) was the unelected primus inter paris president of the US in his capacity of chairman of the CFR, overseeing empire international relations.
Poor Richard, he is entitely correct in seeing his ZOG-system unravelling. The West is approaching its own 1989 and will fall apart. Kiss the UN goodbye, the IMF, the WB, the dollar, multicult, the rule of the progressive left, feminism, Hollywood, every year 2% growth, the US empire, NATO. Kiss America goodbye in its present form. Smearwords of the empire “racist” and “Nazi” will lose their meaning and force. History is going to be rewritten, no longer to make the empire look good but in line with the truth. Yes, living in the empire was comfortable, much more so than in the Soviet empire, that came to its end because of its non-functioning central planned economy. The US empire will come to its end because of race. You cannot put whites, blacks, Aztecs, Arabs, Asians into a single taxfarm and expect it to result in one big party, expect a bloodbath instead. That’s what’s next, the unravelling not only of the empire…
https://www.rt.com/news/387313-us-losing-leadership-eu-mogherini/
…but also of the US…
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/amerikaner/
The center won’t hold. The presidency of DJT is the announcement that a large part of European-America is preparing to leave the union, now that they see that their days are over:
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/05/21/european-america-is-over/
The situation is an XXL replica of what happened in Yugoslavia, a country founded and dominated by Serbia after WW1 until communist ideology evaporated in 1989 and nationalism surfaced from underneath and the inevitable landgrab began. The waiting is for the American version of Vukovar and Slaviansk (Donbass) to materialize and will probably coincide with the end of the presidency of DJT.
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 2:33 am
He plastered his van with stickers glorifying Trump and superimposing rifle-scope crosshairs on the faces of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. He began berating his lesbian boss at the pizza parlor, telling her she would burn in hell with the blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Muslims and gays who were ruining America.”
Note that the perp was NOT white but Indian-Philipino mystery meat:
https://www.unz.com/video/ramzpaul_the-boomer-bomber/
My guess about his motivations… another darky-for-Trump, who was glad that he could live in the US, unlike billions of other less-fortunate darkies, but who despaired with insane Dems policies of mass third world immigration to the US, that can only lead to blowing up the country, which would cause poor Cesar to be outside the white Nirvana again.
And that is exactly what is going to happen next.
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 3:22 am
cloggie:
“another darky-for-Trump, who was glad that he could live in the US, unlike billions of other less-fortunate darkies.”
You are one very fucked up racist, weirdo, creep.
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 3:29 am
We will never know for sure if it was davy who said this or some hijacker like millimob or boney joel.
Probably the latter, because davy never quotes me by stating my nick first.
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 3:52 am
Thinking the unthinkable after Pittsburg:
http://www.spiegel.de/plus/thomas-friedman-ueber-donald-trump-eingetreten-wovor-ich-wirklich-angst-hatte-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000160311501
(((Thomas Friedman))) zählt zu den prominentesten Kommentatoren in den USA. Im Interview spricht er über die Furcht, dass bürgerkriegsähnliche Zustände drohen.
https://translate.google.com/?hl=nl#de/en/b%C3%BCrgerkrieg
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 4:10 am
In another thread the real Davy says:
“Not that it matters much but the comments after 1:37 were not me.”
I believe him. So the post of 3:22 was written by a frustrated millimob or boney joel, who in horror have to witness the complete downfall of the American left and their empire.
Good riddance to them.
Yesterday in Turkey…
https://russophile.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/27280/best-of-the-web-merkel-and-macrons-presence-at-syria-talks-will-seal-putins-diplomatic-triumph-on-one-condition.jpg
Paris-Berlin-Moscow
Continental Europe won in Syria, Anglo-Zionism lost.
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 4:20 am
Putin and Merkel holding hands, for the first time:
https://www.rt.com/news/442449-istanbul-syria-summit-highlights/
It will be too late for her. Today she will receive another electoral beating in the state of Hessen. Expect a palace revolt in her CDU soon and the possibility of a CDU-AFD pro-Russian coalition.
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 4:33 am
The New Iron Curtain, this time not running North-South, but East-West:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6323543/US-warning-migrants-section-Donald-Trumps-wall-Mexico-border-unveiled.html
Brexit latest:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6325393/Cross-party-group-MPs-plot-thwart-Brexit-tabling-amendment-force-second-vote.html
Cross-party group of MPs in plot to thwart Brexit by tabling a ‘killer’ amendment to demand a second referendum as soon as May comes back with a deal
Bregret setting in, hard Brexit ever less likely. “Norway” would be a good compromise.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6324769/Boris-Johnsons-leadership-bid-bankrolled-hedge-fund-manager.html
BoJo’s billionaire backer: Boris Johnson’s leadership bid will be bankrolled by one of the country’s richest hedge fund managers if PM is toppled over Brexit
Gentile moneyman Odey using BoJo as his puppet to achieve the UKIP agenda. Will likely be blocked by more moderate elements in the Tory and Labour party.
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 5:11 am
“This latest news from the Miami Herald:”
How about a title and link stupid. Blue Tsunami Looks like a sloppy joe sock. Sloppy joe is likely a sock. Are all these deviants are part of SLOB the MOB or another deviant like gregt or juanp or et all…LOL. One thing is certain these deviants are not saying anything just disrupting. A real individual will have to show skin in the game tested over time by admissions of who they are. Otherwise it is never certain they are not fake. They will have to show intelligent debate that is authentic. Intelligent debate over time shows a real individual. This individual attacking me with sock puppets and hijacked handles might think that he can upset me enough to leave but this is not the case. Back in the old days I had 6 of the extremist gang at me at ounce. They were real individuals back before we had the infection of socks and handle hijacking. I am here to stay. I will get my message out much to your or yours dismay. It takes a lot of work to maintain a sock and be a hijacker so have fun deviant.
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 5:13 am
“We will never know for sure if it was davy who said this or some hijacker like millimob or boney joel. Probably the latter, because davy never quotes me by stating my nick first.”
not me neder
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 5:16 am
“I believe him. So the post of 3:22 was written by a frustrated millimob or boney joel, who in horror have to witness the complete downfall of the American left and their empire.”
neder, I have to agree with you but I would include the NWO which your beloved euroland is a part of too.
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 5:29 am
This is for sloppy joe and his sock blue tsunami. Add to that the antifa wannabe SLOB THE MOB. Your days are over soon.
“Growing #Walkaway movement may threaten Dems”
https://tinyurl.com/y87o77ff
“Could a gay hairdresser from New York City set off a mass exodus from the Democratic Party? A hashtag and a growing wave (not a blue one) of videos on YouTube and Facebook signal that the Democrats finally have gotten too crazy for at least some of their formerly faithful supporters. Celina Farber of the Epoch Times catalogues a growing wave of revolt against Democrats’ embrace of socialism and no borders and general insanity under the rubric of #Walkaway: When actor James Woods tweeted out the hashtag “#WalkAway” in late June, even the alt-right missed the enormity of what lay beneath it. The Democratic Party had, in fact, struck an iceberg. Some 5 million people on Facebook and YouTube have seen the video by now. A very handsome gay man, who you just assume is about to scold you on progressive talking points, instead says this: “Once upon a time, I was a liberal. Well, to be honest, less than a year ago, I was still a liberal. “I reject a system which allows an ambitious, misinformed and dogmatic mob to suppress free speech, create false narratives, and apathetically steamroll over the truth.”
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 5:45 am
“If You Ignore the News, America Actually Seems Pretty Nice”
https://tinyurl.com/ybgzdpdr
“I too was struck by how remote national politics felt during my road trip. But, while I wouldn’t be shocked if the percentage of politically obsessed people is higher in New York or Cambridge, Massachusetts, than in Sioux Falls or Tulsa, the seeming remoteness of national issues was attributable at least as much to what I was doing as to where I was. Televisions in bars and restaurants, where I spent a lot more time during my road trip than I usually do, are seldom turned to news channels no matter where you are. They usually show sports”
“My trip also involved lots of conversations with people about their communities or areas of expertise. Such conversations tend not to focus on national politics — unless of course the community is Washington or the area of expertise national politics (and it is understandably those kinds of people whose views get the most attention in the national media). Finally, when you’re on a long road trip and are the only driver, there’s not much time for social media. I posted some travel photos on Instagram and lots of pictures of artfully swirled caffe lattes on Twitter, but that was about it.”
“Now that I’m back in New York and my media diet is back to more or less normal, the sense of calm, remove and, yes, optimism that pervaded my long days of driving has begun to dissipate. Maybe this just means I’m returning to the real world after an escapist journey. But I also wonder if it’s an indication that my normal media diet — even though it’s mostly free of such known toxins as Facebook and cable TV news, and heavy on old books — is driving me a little nuts.”
“If one exits this roiling media landscape to spend a few weeks interacting with the actual (and often spectacular) American landscape, and talking to people about things not directly related to Donald Trump, this country can actually feel like a pretty calm, friendly, well-functioning place. Maybe it is! But until its citizens find better ways to talk to each other about national issues, it will also probably keep feeling like a country on the brink of something awful.”
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 5:45 am
That article was for you neder an extremist Dutch white racist that spends his days on a North American site forum because if he said some of the things he does on this site he would be arrested in Holland. Neder is trying his hardest to bring down the US the old fashion Nazi way and that is extremist propaganda that is sustained and focused. He is dedicated and shows little indication for any other kind of activity. He is here 24/7. I wonder where he has time to sleep and work. He can eat and shit with his IPHONE. He is the quintessential anti-American euroland Nazi extremist. He may have been to the US once a long time ago. I think he went to New York City or something. He has never traveled around the country despite him thinking he has his hands on the heartbeat of America. Kind of like billy over in 3rd world Philippines who has been away for 10 years yet acts like he know the place still. You guys need to find something less obsessive to direct your anger and resentment to. Your narcissistic self-love activities are getting old here.
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 5:55 am
“US Electric Car Range Will Average 275 Miles By 2022, 400 Miles By 2028 — New Research (Part 1)”
https://tinyurl.com/ycst7v5b
“The average range of fully electric cars (BEVs) available in the US by 2022 will be around 275 miles and could reach 400 miles by 2028. These are two findings from my new exclusive analysis and forecast. While range increases will vary by automaker, model, price point, and the level of existing battery range; we will likely see average range increases of 25 to 40 miles every two to three years for the next several years.”
“From 2011 through projected model upgrades for 2019, automakers will have increased the battery range of their BEV models an average of 38 miles each upgrade — a cumulative 15% increase on average per year.”
“As battery production scales to match growing demand for EVs, along with greater investment in battery technology and manufacturing efficiencies, we will likely continue to see automakers regularly update BEV battery range (frequently with no price increase) every 2–3 years. And while range increases will vary by automaker, model, price point, and the level of existing battery range, I expect average range increases for a majority of BEVs of around 25 to 40 miles. If solid-state batteries reach market as expected around 2025–2027, BEVs (especially higher-end models) could surpass an average 500 miles of range by 2030. Of course, most high-end luxury models should have ranges of 350–400 miles by around 2024 (Tesla models already have ranges up to ~335 miles), while many non-luxury vehicles should see ranges of around 275–300 miles.”
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 5:57 am
BACK ON TOPIC (ENERGY)
I posted this article to show a technophile who is not factoring the economic situation nor diminishing returns to technology in regards to the physics and the economics. Yet, I am hopeful to see more improvements with BEV’s and solar/wind efficiency and market penetration. I for one am hoping for a 20HP electric tractor to use on the farm with my solar system and planned additions powering it.
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 6:08 am
CLogg
They make it too easy!
https://i.redd.it/g1i3hk0icvu11.jpg
They look smart..
LMFAO!
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 6:28 am
SLOP FROM THE MOB, show your colors you ant-fa scumbag.
https://tinyurl.com/yathrvx9
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 6:52 am
“US Electric Car Range Will Average 275 Miles By 2022, 400 Miles By 2028 — New Research (Part 1)”
Over 400 km, charging speed becomes more important than extra range as nobody can travel more than 400 km without a half hour break.
Perhaps we should not even want that people can drive more than 400 km a day, as part of a general “effort” for western man to slow down.
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 6:57 am
CLogg
They make it too easy!
https://i.redd.it/g1i3hk0icvu11.jpg
They look smart..
LMFAO!
Your “Elders” could sick these bushranger simpletons against Europe in conjunction with your Soviet palls.
Now they are turning against you. They may indeed not be the brightest bulbs in the Christmas tree, but they are smart enough to blow your brains out.
#Pittsburg
More to come
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 7:05 am
“Perhaps we should not even want that people can drive more than 400 km a day, as part of a general “effort” for western man to slow down.”
Yeap, neder, might thoughts also.
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 8:11 am
I hijacked my own handle in a desperate bid for sympathy. Please forgive me.
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 8:15 am
“you ant-fa scumbag.”
My name is Davy “Semi-Tough” and I like to dress-up in women’s clothing.
JuanP on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 8:20 am
MOB, quit stealing people’s identity. Are you capable of intelligent conversation of just childish outbursts.
Davy on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 8:23 am
“If You Ignore Me, America Actually Seems Pretty Nice”
Truth Police on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 8:25 am
“MOB, quit stealing people’s identity. Are you capable of intelligent conversation of just childish outbursts.”
Like how Davy just stole JuanP’s handle? JuanP never posts at this time of the morning.
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 28th Oct 2018 8:31 am
Juan, a playboy wet back fag does not talk like that. That can’t be you so it must be Davy.