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Fossil Fuel Free: A Plan to Phase Out China’s ICEVs

The Innovation Center for Energy and Transportation (iCET), a leading U.S. and China based think tank focusing on Chinese environmental policy, published a report in May 2019 detailing the structure and feasibility of China’s ambitious goal to phase out internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEVs) in favor of new energy vehicles (NEVs) by 2050. The report is part of a larger project launched by the National Resource Defense Council (NRDC) and Energy Foundation China in partnership with the Chinese Ministry of Ecology and Environment and the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC). The project aims to reduce China’s oil consumption and improve its energy security through the development of renewable energy alternatives.

Any Chinese domestic move away from ICEVs would reverberate across global auto and oil markets. China is the world’s largest market for vehicle supply and demand. In 2018, the country’s annual production and sales volume reached thirty million units and total ownership exceeded two hundred million units. China surpassed the United States as the world’s largest crude oil importer in 2017, and was projected to import over seventy percent of its total crude oil in 2018. Automobiles accounted for 42 percent of China’s total oil consumption and over 80 percent of its total refined oil consumption. These factors demonstrate the massive shifts the recommendations in this report would require, both within China and abroad, and the huge implications for automakers and oil exporters.

Motivations for ICEV Phase Out

The report mentions multiple motivations for China to phase out ICEVs. One factor behind this policy direction is the technological dominance China would achieve should it become a leader in an auto industry increasingly projected to embrace green technology. In recent years, companies such as Tesla and BYD have built their reputations on electric technology, and electric vehicles are expected to spike in production by 2030. As the report itself states, China has the world’s largest car market, and thus can promote changes in the global auto market through its domestic regulations. Chinese President Xi Jinping himself has stated that developing NEV capacity compliments other efforts to improve China’s industrial strength. China currently is not a dominant player in the global auto industry; thus, the country has every incentive to push new technologies and production methods while they have time to build capacity and expertise in these developing markets. In demonstrating a path forward that accounts for anticipated trends in fuel efficiency and energy availability, the iCET report provides and advocates for a roadmap for Chinese predominance in both the domestic and international auto industries. Furthermore, given the number of people in China whose livelihoods depend on automobile access, it is strategic for policymakers and politicians alike to consider the best mechanisms to become more self-sufficient in this industry.

Another reason behind the ICEV ban policy is that the anticipated decrease in fossil fuel use from NEVs would improve Chinese energy security. China’s oil demand drastically outpaces its domestic production ability. The country has been a crude oil net-importer since 1996 and has progressed from importing about two million barrels of oil per day in 2004 to over eight million per day in 2017. These trends continued in 2018 despite increasing trade tensions with the United States and Iran, demonstrating the strength of China’s oil reliance. New energy vehicles rely on non-oil resources that are more abundant domestically. Although electricity sources such as coal conflict with public health goals, China has a rich coal supply. Furthermore, Chinese investments in solar power, natural gas, hydropower, and biofuels all can help power increasingly energy efficient and non-combustive vehicle engines in a less environmentally destructive way. Given energy reliance’s adverse effects on Beijing’s pursuit of its own goals, it serves Chinese strategic interests to invest in products that use renewable energy that it can produce independently from geopolitical tides.

The final motivation for ICEV phase out is this policy’s public health and environmental benefits. Promoting NEVs is compatible with preexisting Chinese policies, such as the “Blue Sky War” – an initiative that aims to protect the environment and public health. One of the most important elements measured in the air quality index (AQI) is PM2.5, a particulate matter that originates from combustion engine exhaust and carries severe health consequences for prolonged exposure. This is particularly true among young children, the elderly, and otherwise sensitive groups. One 2018 report found that 1.6 million Chinese people die prematurely due to air pollution each year, a trend largely reflected in incidences of cancer and cardio-respiratory diseases. The combustion process also produces ground-level ozone, a compound that inhibits plant growth, leading to massive inefficiencies in China’s agricultural sector.

iCET’s Proposed Strategy

Unlike previous technological leapfrogging in China, transitioning from ICEVs will require a slower approach. Phasing out ICEVs in any country is a tremendous challenge. For China, the task is further complicated by the large disparity in economic development between its underdeveloped Western, Southern, and Northeast regions and the developed Eastern coastal region where major cities like Beijing or Shanghai, municipal governments have already begun to limit ICEV sales and encourage NEV purchases through subsidies or preferential traffic policies.

In the past, China has piloted large reforms in a handful of small regions before nation-wide implementation. To account for regional disparities in economic development and the disruption caused by transitioning from ICEVs, the report suggests the Chinese government use a multi-tiered phase-out plan. Under this proposal, cities are divided into four tiers based on economic development and severity of the region’s environmental degradation (See Figure 1). Leading the transition are tier one and two areas including cities like Beijing and Shanghai as well as capital cities like Xi’an in China’s “Blue Sky War” regions which are some of the most polluted in the country. Tier three and four areas include much of the country’s Northeast and Western regions such as Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, and Tibet which are heavily reliant on coal and economically underdeveloped.

The report also divides vehicles into five classes: public passenger vehicles; privately owned passenger vehicles; municipal service vehicles; coaches and intercity light freight vehicles; and medium and heavy freight vehicles (See Figure 2). Passenger vehicles and municipal service vehicles will transition from ICEVs first followed by medium and heavy freight vehicles and coaches. In the next two decades, ICEV use might increase as China’s hinterlands develop. However, the report predicts that ICEV withdrawal will come close to completion by 2050.

Implications of ICEV Phase Out

The report’s plan carries important implications for global markets concerning both cars and the components necessary to support them. One consideration is that China’s peak oil consumption – and the world’s – will come earlier than anticipated. A study from researchers at Stanford University predicts that peak demand for conventional oil will occur in 2035, whereas less traditional liquid inputs will remain popular until 2070. Either way, both peaks will come earlier if China changes course away from ICEVs and deemphasizes one of its economy’s most petroleum-dependent sectors.

Along with this trend, the rare earth metals that comprise components for electric vehicles will increase in value should electric cars become mainstream in China. Elements such as nickel, lithium, lead, and cobalt are essential for the batteries in HEVs, PHEVs, and electric vehicles in general. Whereas economies reliant on oil sales will experience downturn, those with the raw resources for electric vehicle battery components will see a surge in activity. While these economies already are aware of these commodities’ anticipated values, this spike in value will occur sooner than projected should China advance its NEV technology according to iCET’s plan. For example, 49 percent of global lithium production in 2015 occurred in South America, positioning this market it particular to have advantages in a less oil-dependent future.

Along these lines, widespread NEV production implies that actors in Chinese industry would become more interested in economies that already have capacity to produce battery components. Therefore, China would become more interested in metal producing countries like Argentina, Chile, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, while also deemphasizing the importance of oil exporting nations such as Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia in its foreign policy.

Furthermore, Chinese involvement overseas has the potential to compound the previously listed effects and broaden the plan’s applicability outside of China. Initiatives like the BRI allow China to shape not only its own development, but also that of other countries. Although China’s sheer size allows it to shape the global market regardless, its economic reach provides an even more direct mechanism to expand its export market and promote global ICEV phase out should leaders in Beijing be inclined to this report’s suggestions.

On a larger scale, the potential for Chinese ICEV phase out in favor of more sustainable alternatives speaks to the global challenge of resource scarcity heading forward. Should the suggestions in this report materialize as policy, China would be providing an example of how to avoid relying on one of the more scarcity prone elements in the global supply chain. Consequentially, if countries like the United States cannot demonstrate that their policies provide more abundant resources and a better way of life, other countries will be inclined to cooperate with China given its system’s ability to deliver.

Obstacles to Implementation

The study concludes by outlining potential risks and problems China might encounter during the transition from ICEVs to NEVs. These problems can broadly be split into three categories related to policy limitations, resource scarcity, and infrastructure inadequacy.

In terms of policy limitations, the study encourages Chinese policy makers to clearly outline a ban schedule on ICEVs by setting up a cross-province and cross-industry committee to understand domestic and international impacts of the ban. Currently, Chinese priorities for transitioning to NEVs remain unclear to both producers and regulators, leading to implementation confusion on the ground. To avoid uncertainty going forward, the report suggests that policy makers should clarify regulatory documents to clearly state goals and expectations. Additionally, the government should implement policies to provide unemployment support for ICEV employees and bankruptcy protection for ICEV companies.

The authors go on to outline several concerning resource scarcities that might impact continued development and production of NEVs. The first problem is a scarcity of rare earth metals. Currently, China’s cobalt demand accounts for more than half of the world’s total. Nickel and lithium are also identified as potentially scarce materials. The report advises Chinese leaders to open new rare earth supply chains as well as improve battery recycling utility to prevent supply disruptions.

Finally, the report acknowledges several infrastructural problems that hamper the transition from ICEVs to NEVs. China’s electric charging infrastructure is not capable of meeting the demand of daily use of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles. This deficiency is partly due to an overall lack of charging stations across the country. In areas with charging stations, they are often inconveniently or illogically located.

Even if stations were adequately constructed, China’s power grid is currently incapable of supporting the needed energy demand. According to the NRDC, China’s peak energy load will increase by 62 percent in 2020 and 58 percent in 2030. NEV charging during peak load hours will further strain an already struggling grid. The report advises policy makers to incorporate solutions to these infrastructural problems in future NEV transition policies.

Other disruptive technologies, especially autonomous vehicles, will profoundly influence any transition plans. While the report briefly touches on such technologies, the authors are uncertain of their effect on ICEV phase out. Regardless, the iCET report offers a comprehensive plan for Chinese policy makers to follow in restructuring the world’s largest auto market.

CFR

164 Comments on "Fossil Fuel Free: A Plan to Phase Out China’s ICEVs"

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 12:14 am

“We will beat you..Like always. We are undefeated. You have never won yet.”

LOL – little parvenu, piggy-backing on the USSR

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon#/media/File:Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/23/boris-berezovsky-found-dead-berkshire-home

https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/origin-scientific-accomplishments/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/18/eu-puts-itself-at-the-top-of-rio-olympics-medal-table/

No US city in the top 30; soulless monster cities built by soulless people:

https://mobilityexchange.mercer.com/Insights/quality-of-living-rankings

You’re a third world has-been, waiting to be taken to the cleaners by Eurasia.

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 12:32 am

“A great example of makato’s golden Asia and the cloggo’s Eurasia fantasies. LOL, last man standing anyone?

“I Don’t Want My Money Trapped Here” – Hong Kong Hit By Capital Exodus As Protests Drag On””

You do understand that HK is on the verge of being raked in completely by China? Another prestige blow for Anglo supremacy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/18/matteo-salvini-italy-populist-league-five-star-movement

“Salvini wants to lead Italy. He may be about to get the chance”

Except for Britain, darkies are mega-out everywhere, even in the US.

Four more Trump years means that white America will get more time to prepare to break-away from ZOG. Trump and his crew…

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump-berater-stephen-miller-der-mann-der-amerika-abschotten-will-a-1282405.html

…are now openly white nationalist and this can only lead to CW2 in 2024. America is over, long live European-America. Give us a call if you need help. Europeans are terribly good at jews, much better than you.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/lord-heseltine-suggests-brexit-allowing-germany-win-world-war/

“Lord Heseltine suggests Brexit vote allows Germany to win World War Two ”

Anglos are so 20th century.

And regarding England… how did neocohn superkike Michael Ledeen put it again?

Every ten years or so, the EU needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business,

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 12:46 am

#TailSpinCountry

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7369733/Storm-No-Deal-leak-No10-sources-blame-Philip-Hammond-date-doomsday-dossier.html

“Storm over No Deal leak: No10 sources blame Philip Hammond for ‘revealing out-of-date doomsday dossier’ detailing apocalyptic Brexit forecasts ahead of Boris Johnson’s talks with EU”

No concessions, kick them out by the end of October.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7369833/From-petrol-shortages-significant-Channel-disruption-possible-RIOTS.html

“From petrol shortages to ‘significant’ Channel disruption and possible RIOTS: The secret dossier’s 14 claims of No Deal chaos”

You’ve got to give it to Muslims: they have no illussions about I AM THE MOB types:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7369383/Tlaib-Omar-share-anti-Semitic-cartoon-depicting-silenced-Trump-Netanyahu.html

“Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar spark backlash after sharing anti-Semitic cartoonists’ image depicting themselves being silenced by Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu”

More work for empire dave to keep his beloved multi-ethnic society together. Dave… Davy? Oh jeez, he’s off to Italy.

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 1:29 am

http://theconversation.com/gibraltar-after-brexit-why-spain-not-ireland-will-decide-the-uks-fate-111581

“Gibraltar after Brexit: why Spain, not Ireland will decide the UK’s fate”

Take.it.back.

What we can do is have a deal with the British of co-ownership, provided we get a huge Eurasian naval base in Dover.

No?

Than pack your bags or face the boot.

https://www.thelocal.es/20130808/four-reasons-why-gibraltar-should-be-spanish

“Four reasons Gibraltar should be Spanish”

The existence of a British colonial left-over on the European continent is incompatible with a future European super power status.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2019/02/07/another-spanish-warship-enters-gibraltar-waters-playing-national-anthem-in-two-hour-royal-navy-stand-off/

“ANOTHER SPANISH WARSHIP ENTERS GIBRALTAR WATERS PLAYING NATIONAL ANTHEM IN TWO-HOUR ROYAL NAVY STAND-OFF”

Come on Spain, you have the backing of the EU, Russia and China. The job can be done within an hour.

BoJo (and Farage) have said they want to break up the EU, we’re going to break up the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/14/boris-johnson-interview-we-can-be-the-heroes-of-europe-by-voting/

South-Africa shortly before genocide:

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/suedafrika-warum-kapstadt-eine-der-gefaehrlichsten-staedte-der-welt-ist-a-1281263.html

Kapstadt the most dangerous city in the world.

Negroes and whites should not live together. Nice first job for an EU army and evacuate white South-Africans back to Europe.

The next job is to strike a deal with Libya: the EU pacifies the country and restores central authority, provided the Libyan government cooperates with the EU to secure its southern borders against negro invaders and the EU is preferred customer of Libyan oil.

Other jobs for an EU military: guarantee the independence of Scotland and Ireland against English aggression. Oh and keep war mongering Anglo Navies out of the Mediterranean [*] and Black Sea, after striking a deal with the Chinese regarding the South China Sea.

[*] – The Egyptian navy is of course welcome to keep operating in the Mediterranean:

https://deepresource.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/egypt-navy.png

I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 4:59 am

Duncan

Check out this high IQ peckerwood

https://imgur.com/a/CKVNNAu

I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 5:45 am

Immigrant-owned businesses contribute billions to U.S. economy

https://www.axios.com/immigrant-owned-businesses-billions-economy-741f1790-db25-4da0-8950-9be174ee6689.html

I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 5:53 am

The Coming Migration out of Sub-Saharan Africa
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/08/26/the-coming-migration-out-of-sub-saharan-africa/

The great European replacement

I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 8:32 am

Germany’s Jewish council warns against AfD’s ‘right-wing extremism’ | The president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany has sharply criticized the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party, saying that it “incites fears and promotes a climate of exclusion of minorities.”

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-jewish-council-warns-against-afds-right-wing-extremism/a-50067299

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 10:25 am

“Germany’s Jewish council warns against AfD’s ‘right-wing extremism’ ”

Ah yes, the tiny jewish minority is to decide the fate of Germany. There are still too many jews in Germany. They should pack their bags and get lost to Israel, US or UK, while they still can. Soon continental Europe will be a very different place.

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 10:32 am

“The Coming Migration out of Sub-Saharan Africa”

US neocon wishful thinking. They never heard of the Medittarenean, but Americans suck at geography.

1.5 million invaders in 2015 sufficed to trigger the populist reaction in Europe. One load more and heads will role. Currently hardly any pickaniny makes it to Europe any more, thanks to Salvini. Next is teaming up with Russia and have an understanding with China and force the kikes and there Anglos into war.

That should suffice to trigger CW2.

Kenz300 on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 2:56 pm

China is leading the way to an electric vehicle future.

Gas and diesel are OLD polluting technologies.

Who still wants a land line or flip phone after the Iphone came out.

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 3:15 pm

Norway past EV tipping point; March 2019: 58% new vehicles is EV or hybrid:

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/18/ev-tippin-point-in-norway/

“EV Tipping Point in Norway”

I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Aug 2019 7:45 pm

Estonia President says far-right minister unfit for job

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-estonia-cabinet-idUSKCN1V91SR?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d5b3dfc37ca340001cf6a43&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 5:31 am

Flamethrowers at a Nazi

https://i.redd.it/n0tpus2uukh31.jpg

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 6:12 am

Macron outs himself as a Gaullist:

https://tass.com/world/1074151

“PARIS, August 20. /TASS/. French President Emmanuel Macron expressed confidence that Russia’s future is tied with Europe after the meeting with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin at the fort of Bregancon.

“I am confident that Russia’s future is fully tied with Europe. We believe in Europe that stretches from Lisbon to Vladivostok,” he wrote on his Twitter account on Tuesday.”

Paris-Berlin-Moscow a “fantasy”, Davy?

Oh the glory of Brexit!

You can have the Brits, America, we prefer the Russians.

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 6:59 am

“Donald Tusk REJECTS Boris Johnson’s backstop demands: European Council president slams PM’s ‘unrealistic’ Brexit plan in new EU slapdown”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7374523/Furious-EU-officials-slam-Boris-Johnsons-demands-ditch-backstop.html

Just get lost BoJo.

Either sign or run to the US… if the Commons will let you.

After the PBM statement of Macron yesterday, I hardly care about the precise shape of Brexit anymore, as long as it happens.

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 8:31 am

“Flamethrowers at a Nazi
https://i.redd.it/n0tpus2uukh31.jpg”

In Eurasia we love these kind of pictures, mobby!

I mean, if one half of the US goes at the throat of the other, all we Eurasians have to do is pick up the pieces afterwards!

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 10:15 am

Clogg

There is no Eurasia. Europe has turned into a lame duck basket case. A country turning into right wing terrorist.

And you don’t speak anyone but yourself. You are unemployed scum of society. Likely living on welfare with no woman.

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 10:27 am

Cloggie, life isn’t fair. Deal with it.

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 10:34 am

Stop Putin now, as Churchill would warn, or West will face the consequences

Putin’s stern warning: Russia will target US with new weapons

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/stop-putin-churchill-west-consequences-hoffman-soames

Turn them into another or Libya.

We came, we saw, he died!

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 10:56 am

Anti Immigration Italy PM resigns

https://news.sky.com/story/italys-prime-minister-announces-resignation-11789894

haha RIP populism

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 11:16 am

Have fossil fuels been substituted by renewables? An empirical assessment for 10 European countries (Marques, 2018)

In the installed capacity of wind power provokes an increase of 0.26%, and 0.22% in electricity generation from oil and natural gas, respectively in the long-run.

The installed capacity of wind power preserves fossil fuel generation to back up its electricity generation. In fact, the installed capacity of wind power has been deployed in large amounts to increase the exploitation of natural resources. But, the intermittency phenomenon, more noticeable in wind power, means that, unlike fossil fuels, the installation of this RES capacity does not correspond to growth by the same amount of electricity generation. On the one hand, this can cause a lack of energy in the grid, i.e., the excess of installed capacity does not correspond to the effective generation to satisfy the entire demand. On the other hand, it can cause an excess of energy in the grid, i.e., the installed capacity of wind power deployed can result in effective generation being able to satisfy the entire demand and provoke an excess of electricity in the grid. Consequently, the idle capacity of wind power has been increasing the overcapacity of fossil fuels to back up its intermittent generation, which provokes economic inefficiencies.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421518300983

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 11:23 am

Renewable energy doesn’t last forever. It’s created from metals that are mined.

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 11:25 am

Rural areas don’t pollute the air, water or land.

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 11:28 am

Populism won’t save any country- people will just complain about their government.

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 12:13 pm

Anti Immigration Italy PM resigns

https://news.sky.com/story/italys-prime-minister-announces-resignation-11789894

haha RIP populism

No low-IQ moron, Salvini has blown up the coalition because he knows he can win the next election.

Italy is turning right!!!!!

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 1:03 pm

Clogg

All turning right means is their economy is in a depression and headed for collapse.

Economic growth peaked forty years ago in Europe. And now we are reaching the very end. And the far right will just exasperate their decline and fall.

And unlike the 1940’s. This time there isn’t enough resources left and time to rebuild Europe.

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 1:35 pm

“All turning right means is their economy is in a depression and headed for collapse.”

No it doesn’t. It simply means the Italians are going to defend their country against invaders.

Despite what many uninformed idiots think, Italy is not in a depression; in fact it is a surplus country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance

…verry much unlike your country.

That deficit of 130% gdp is more than compensated by the ridiculously low motgage sum of ca. 17% total real estate value (Italians are tax dodgers and prefer to pay off the mortgage).

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 3:21 pm

Cloggie, focus on your own problems. Never mind what other countries are doing.

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 3:44 pm

The West would benefit from a Big Tent/Catch-All type of government. Instead of squabbling, grow up, set side their differences and work together.

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 4:52 pm

“The West would benefit”

The West is over.

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 4:58 pm

Zogby: Trump would beat any Democrat.

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2019/08/19/trump-in-dead-heats-with-biden-and-sanders-half-of-voters-silently-support-trump-2/

#FourMoreYears

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 5:02 pm

Italy’s prime minister resigns as government nears collapse
https://nypost.com/2019/08/20/italys-prime-minister-resigns-as-government-nears-collapse/

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 5:20 pm

There is a silent killer: loneliness. Social media is isolating people, not “connecting” people.

Kenz300 on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 5:40 pm

Electric vehicles are the future, no emissions, no noise, less fuel costs, less maintenance costs, last longer EV’s are just better technology.

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 5:40 pm

Western society should bring back etiquette. Not a lot of young people show respect for themselves or others.

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 6:46 pm

Walmart sues Tesla after it says solar panels caught fire on store roofs

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/20/energy/walmart-tesla-solar-panels-suit/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&utm_content=2019-08-20T23%3A44%3A04&utm_source=twbusiness

If you want your home or business to burn down. Solar is the way to go!

LOL

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 6:56 pm

Elon Musk is not bright.

makati1 on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 7:30 pm

Kenz, Electric vehicles are NOT the future. They cannot exist with out FFs. They will be impossible to make when the SHTF and globalization ends.

Just one example: Where do the rare earths come from to make them (and most other electronics)? Answer: China!

Maybe you need a refresher course:

http://sunweber.blogspot.com/2011/12/machines-making-machines-making.html

How many thousands of parts and steps in their manufacture, from the mines to your garage, are there? Answer: Tens of thousands. NOT going to exist past the end of BAU! Stop sucking up that techie koolaid and see the real world to come.

makati1 on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 7:32 pm

Rick, Elton Musk is insane, not retarded. Anyone who buys his bullshit or products are as insane as he is. But then, look at Amerika today. Full of insane, delusional, brainwashed tax slaves. he would never have gotten even a start in a normal country.

Rick on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 7:58 pm

mak, you are right.

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 8:00 pm

China’s belt and road cargo to Europe under scrutiny as operator admits to moving empty containers
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3023574/chinas-belt-and-road-cargo-europe-under-scrutiny-operator

poor clogg. how naive can you possibly be?

HAHAHA

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 8:34 pm

More than 100 migrants feared dead off Libyan coast: Doctors Without Borders

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/migrant-ship-sinking-msf-doctors-without-borders-1.5253907

I AM THE MOB on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 9:35 pm

Trump says Europe will give him anything he wants: ‘All we have to do is tax their cars’

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/20/trump-says-europe-will-give-in-all-we-have-to-do-is-tax-their-cars.html

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Aug 2019 11:58 pm

American empire imploding in East-Asia, Australia is toast, just like Malcolm Frase predicted:

https://www.ussc.edu.au/analysis/averting-crisis-american-strategy-military-spending-and-collective-defence-in-the-indo-pacific

“America no longer enjoys military primacy in the Indo-Pacific and its capacity to uphold a favourable balance of power is increasingly uncertain.”

Fortunately, PBM will be standing by to support a defeated and balkinizing former super-power, by canibalizing the viable (white) parts and park them in a global Commonwealth of European Peoples.

Holy cow!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7375741/Chinese-military-overrun-forces-Asia-hours-report-says.html

“Chinese military could overrun US forces in Asia ‘within hours’ amid ‘unprecedented crisis’ in American defense strategy, says report”

I didn’t know it was THAT bad!

“Walmart sues Tesla after it says solar panels caught fire on store roofs”

Americans and renewable technology, a dead-born child. Leave it to the Europeans.

“Trump says Europe will give him anything he wants: ‘All we have to do is tax their cars”

Any idea what we could do to Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, Tesla?

Deglobalize!

Just pack your bags and go back to the prairie and try to defend yourself against advancing Latino’s. Or white nationalists from secedinf.

Any idea how precarious your situation really is? You could be months away from a Soviet-style-1991-collapse.

“More than 100 migrants feared dead off Libyan coast: Doctors Without Borders”

Enemy combattants dying, always good news. Now go after these slimy libtard doctors… and put them over the border.

Cloggie on Wed, 21st Aug 2019 12:05 am

Yesterday-night BBC: German Euro-parlimentarian Elmar Brok on no-deal Brexit:

UK to lose 10% GDP, Germany 0.5%

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/RJDX1Y/brexit-stop-brexit-sign-graphics-gun-guns-pistol-concepts-conceptual-images-sign-was-held-by-a-remain-in-the-european-union-campaigner-stop-brexit-peaceful-demonstration-britain-shot-in-the-foot-sign-RJDX1Y.jpg

#CallBoJosBluff!

Cloggie on Wed, 21st Aug 2019 12:19 am

More Trump-is-a-white-nationalist:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7376471/Trump-says-Russia-rejoin-G7-claims-Putin-booted-outsmarted-Obama.html

“Donald Trump says Vladimir Putin SHOULD be invited to rejoin G7 claiming Obama got the Russian leader kicked out ‘because he got outsmarted’ and not because Kremlin strongman seized Crimea”

What happened to George Soros, US Deep State? A few moldy opinions in the NYT, that’s it!

https://images.app.goo.gl/godJsHBFGGSptYiP7

Cloggie on Wed, 21st Aug 2019 12:46 am

Thug diplomacy:

Trump cancels visit with Danish PM because she doesn’t want to sell Greenland:

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/trump-laesst-treffen-mit-daenischer-regierungschefin-platzen-wegen-groenland-a-1282903.html

Wham! Good thug!

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nachrichten-am-morgen-die-news-in-echtzeit-a-1282021.html

“Trump unterstellt jüdischen Wählern der Demokraten Illoyalität”

Trump says jewish Dems voters are not loyal to the US! lol.

That’s true of course, they are a fifth column, intent on destroying white society, but until now you didn’t say that in polite company.

I AM THE MOB on Wed, 21st Aug 2019 6:06 am