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Are Iran and Israel Headed for Their First Direct War?
SYRIA-ISRAEL BORDER, Golan Heights — Ever since the Iranian Islamic Revolution in 1979, Iran and Israel have been fighting each other in the shadows — through proxies, assassination squads and cyber-virus attacks, but never as rival armies meeting on the field of battle. That may be about to change, and if it does, it will have vast implications for Syria, Lebanon and the whole Middle East.
I’m sure neither side really wants a war. It could be devastating for Israel’s flourishing high-tech economy and for Iran’s already collapsing currency. But Iran’s Revolutionary Guards’ Quds Force seems determined to try to turn Syria into a base from which to pressure Israel, and Israel seems determined to prevent that. And in the past few weeks — for the first time ever — Israel and Iran have begun quietly trading blows directly, not through proxies, in Syria.
They have already gone through two rounds, and Round 3, now pending, could blow Syria sky-high.
Round 1 occurred on Feb. 10, when an Iranian drone launched by a Quds Force unit operating out of Syria’s T4 air base, in central Syria, was shot down with a missile from an Israeli Apache helicopter that was following it after it penetrated northern Israel airspace.
Initial reports were that the drone was purely on a reconnaissance mission. But the Israeli Army’s spokesman, Brig. Gen. Ronen Manelis, said Friday that the flight path and Israel’s analysis of the drone indicated that “the aircraft was carrying explosives” and that its mission was “an act of sabotage in Israeli territory.”
If true, that suggests that the Quds Force — commanded by Iran’s military mastermind Qassem Suleimani — was trying to launch an actual military strike on Israel.
“This is the first time we saw Iran do something against Israel — not by proxy,” a senior Israeli military source told me. “This opened a new period.”
It certainly did, because in Round 2, on April 9, Israeli jets launched a missile strike on T4, the drone’s home base — directly targeting, for the first time, an Iranian facility and personnel in Syria. Seven Quds Force members were killed, including Col. Mehdi Dehghan, who led the drone unit.
While the Israeli Army spokesman refused to confirm or deny the Israeli raid, Iran’s government unusually highlighted it — and Iran’s casualties — and vowed to take revenge.
“The Zionist entity will sooner or later receive the necessary response and will regret its misdeeds,” Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman, Bahram Qasemi, said Monday.
So now the whole neighborhood is holding its breath: Will there be a Round 3? Israeli defense officials let it be known that if the Iranians strike back, Israel may use the opportunity to mount a massive counterstrike on Iran’s entire military infrastructure in Syria, where Iran is attempting to establish forward air bases and factories for GPS-guided missiles that could hit targets inside Israel with much greater accuracy — inside a 50-meter radius. Iran also plans to provide the missiles to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
These Israeli defense officials say there is zero chance Israel will make the same mistake it made in Lebanon — letting Hezbollah establish a large missile threat there — by letting Iran do so in Syria.
On Tuesday, to drive home that point, the Israeli government reportedly distributed maps to Israeli news organizations showing five Iranian-controlled bases in Syria. All that was missing on them were bull’s-eyes of exactly where Israel will drop its bombs if the Iranians carry out their threats. The message from Israel to the Quds Force was hard to miss: “Beware. We know exactly where to find you.”
As Israel’s defense minister, Avigdor Lieberman, put it to a gathering of Israeli soldiers on Monday: “We are facing a new reality — the Lebanese Army, in cooperation with Hezbollah, the Syrian Army, the Shiite militias in Syria and above them Iran — are all becoming a single front against the state of Israel.”
Iran has legitimate security concerns in the gulf; it faces a number of hostile, pro-American Sunni Arab powers trying to contain its influence and undermine its Islamic regime. From Iran’s perspective, these are a threat. I get that.
But what is Iran doing in Syria?
Tehran’s building of bases and missile factories in Syria, after having helped President Bashar al-Assad largely crush the uprising against him, appears to be a move by the Quds Force’s Suleimani to extend Iran’s grip on key parts of the Sunni Arab world and advance his position at home in his struggle for power with Hassan Rouhani, Iran’s president. The Quds Force now more or less controls — through proxies — four Arab capitals: Damascus, Beirut, Baghdad and Sana.
Indeed, Iran has become the biggest “occupying power” in the Arab world today. But Suleimani may be overplaying his hand.
Even before the recent clashes with Israel, many average Iranians were publicly asking: What is Iran doing spending billions of dollars — which were supposed to go to Iranians as a result of the lifting of sanctions from the Iran nuclear deal — fighting wars in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen?
That concern is surely one reason Iran, for all its fist-shaking — has not retaliated — yet. The Israeli airstrike on T4, along with the U.S.-British-French airstrike on the Syrian regime’s suspected chemical weapons facilities, have actually exposed the strategic vulnerabilities of both Russia and Iran in Syria. Their forces are very powerful versus the rebels there, but not so powerful versus the Western forces and Israel. Iran, which has to depend largely on Syria’s air defense system, is particularly exposed to Israel’s Air Force.
“Russia’s appearance of omnipotence in the Syrian arena has been shattered,” military writer Anshel Pfeffer noted in Haaretz on Monday. “Appearances of power count for a lot in this region.” Russia’s “forces there are insufficient to take on any of the other nations who have operated, and may operate again, in Syria. … The United States, Britain and France, as well as Israel and Turkey, can all deploy larger and more capable forces to the region much faster than Russia can.”
Suleimani could opt to strike back at Israel through proxies, either in the Middle East or against Israeli targets globally. But he now has to think twice about that, both because his forces in Syria are exposed — and for another reason: Iran is exposed financially. Iran’s currency is collapsing back home. The Iranian rial has lost one-third of its value just this year, which a wider confrontation with Israel would only exacerbate.
It would seem, in other words, that Suleimani is at odds with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and Iran’s President Rouhani. Putin and Rouhani share an interest in Syria quieting down now, and not becoming a financial drain or a military quagmire — by Suleimani turning it into an arena for a direct war with Israel.
But economic restraints have never stopped Suleimani and his Quds Force before and may not now. Their ambitions are big — to create a base to pressure Israel directly, to dominate the Arab states around them and to maintain the fervor of the Islamic Revolution. Everyone is basically awaiting Suleimani’s next move. Does he back down, lose a little face, and wait until he is stronger? Does Israel let him?
These are momentous days for both countries. One thing I know for sure. The status quo is not sustainable.
158 Comments on "Are Iran and Israel Headed for Their First Direct War?"
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:01 am
“China’s Monetary Shell Game”
Courtesy of Davy’s favourite source of Russian click bait disinformation: Tyler Durden@’The Hedge™’
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-20/chinas-monetary-shell-game
No tiny url necessary.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 5:09 am
Greggie, this is where the article originate:
http://www.alhambrapartners.com/2018/04/17/chinas-monetary-shell-game/
“China’s Monetary Shell Game”
The important point is can you debate the article? Do you understand what the article is saying? It has nothing to do with Russia or Tyler. You have shown us you can prick but is there a brain attached?
The brilliant point that puts the anti-dollar dumbasses in the dirt is this line:
“Among them, no more “selling UST’s” as the most visible sign of distress (if possible). Instead, the currency is to be given the rock-solid treatment, which given CNY’s history means continuing its “dollar” backing. De-dollarization is, at this juncture, being judged as too risky of a proposition.”
Thanks for highlighting this article. Your attention has maybe pushed the point home harder by your pricking exposure. The dollar is not going away. It is clear it is in decline but the only viable alternative the Yuan, is nowhere near ready to step up to the plate. In fact all the crowing from the likes of billy 3rd world types on US treasuries is likely moot too. China simply cannot afford to rock the boat because of it precarious economic situation. It can’t dump treasuries recklessly and expect to remain whole.
joe on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 10:20 am
” Apr 2018 1:15 pm
I never fully understood why Putin volunteered to intervene in Syria, putting his own country ar great risk, while ISIS was in the process of blowing up the entire ME. Putin might as well have watched from the sideline how the US colonial system blew itself up.
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A seriously good question, for an idea of an answer you have to look at what had preceeded that intervention, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan. The neocons had formed a foreign policy which aimed to make the US an empire in same sense as the British one (just no royals) therefore making the US truly a new Rome and protector of Zionist Israel who could use influence within to direct policy without. From communism to neo-conservatism Jewish influenced politcal thought has that violent streak inside it, a seed of struggle, which must be attained through war, Zionism takes the violent parts from Judaism and re expresses them as righteousness. Its not a very elegant expression of Judaism but it is effective.
The documents written by PNAC were heavily influenced by Zionists both Christian and Jewish. Initially they used the millenarian aspects of christian fundamentalist tradition to push their agenda, then they used the lefts own anger against them when the US was exhausted for a few years after Iraq and all political capital on the right was spent, now they are using Americans bewilderment as a sheild to hide behind. Americans will simply accept eternal war cause they don’t very much question it anymore. The policy of ‘make America great again’ was understood to be a reversal of neo-conservatism but this has been a very difficult thing to achieve when trillions are at stake and interests go beyond money, into religion and the future of society.
Putin was fighting to preserve Assad cause he knew that if Syria goes then he loses his only port in the Mediterranean in Latakia and more than that, Syria will be yet another training ground for jihadists to invade southern Russia as they do now.
Germany originally came up with the use of jihadism as a way to defeat western countries btw, they tried to flip the ruler of Afghanistan to turn against Britian with a fake jihad during ww1….
He finally learned that to defend Russia the frontline is in Jerusalem, Mecca, Pesharwar, Beijing and Berlin. Can’t imagine what the US would do if Russian divisions were parked on the Mexico border, well actually I could and it would be a hell of allot less retrained than anything Russia has done….
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 10:26 am
“The brilliant point that puts the anti-dollar dumbasses in the dirt is this line:”
You appear to be rather confident in Alhambra’s opinions.
Have you put your money where your mouth is, and invested a portion of the family fortune with them? They are, after all, promising double digit ROI. Almost sounds too good to be true.
Cloggie on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 10:45 am
“Putin was fighting to preserve Assad cause he knew that if Syria goes then he loses his only port in the Mediterranean in Latakia and more than that, Syria will be yet another training ground for jihadists to invade southern Russia as they do now.”
joe, I was aware of those, but it needs to be seen in the light of the competition with the US. The loss of Lakatia would be acceptable if additionally the US loses the entire ME. I have always seen ISIS as the icebreaker of the neo-Ottoman empire and Turkey. In the end Turkey would have stepped in and replaced ISIS, perhaps even in consent with ISIS and hence bloodless. One giant Sunni empire from Istanbul to Indian Ocean. Putin blocked that and postponed the eventual demise of Israel. Putin fucked up my multi-polar world map.lol Well for the moment:
http://tinyurl.com/y8ydx6a9
“Can’t imagine what the US would do if Russian divisions were parked on the Mexico border, well actually I could and it would be a hell of allot less retrained than anything Russia has done….”
For the moment different divisions are showing up at the Mexican border as we speak:
https://www.infowars.com/migrant-caravan-arrives-at-us-mexico-border/
Mexico knows that by acting like that large parts of the US will be Mexican again soon, after the break.
But after the break=CW2, European, Russian and Chinese divisions will roam the US country-side.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 10:50 am
Very good post above by joe. Completely agree.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 10:58 am
“Have you put your money where your mouth is, and invested a portion of the family fortune with them? They are, after all, promising double digit ROI. Almost sounds too good to be true.”
greggie, what does investing have to do with the comment?? Stay on topic. Do you understand the topic? It is saying the Yuan is stuck in economic circularity of needing the economy with which it is part of to be reformed but the economy is too fragile to be reformed so an untenable status quo must be maintained. This means a dollar relationship and treasuries much to the chagrin of you anti-Americans.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 11:04 am
“greggie, what does investing have to do with the comment?? Stay on topic.”
The comment is the opinion of an investment firm Davy, and the topic was “Are Iran and Israel Headed for Their First Direct War?”
Your posting of Alhambra’s opinion on the Chinese economy, is not on topic.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 11:07 am
Clogg
50 migrants come into a country of 325 million people. That means one new migrant for around every 10 million American! WOW! I am so upset! You are not smart enough for science or math. You have mental illness and the IQ of an African.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 11:08 am
Greg
I saved this for you. Article about prepping in Canada’s newspaper globe and mail.
Ready for disaster: Why more people are preparing for the worst
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/article-why-the-preparedness-movement-is-gaining-momentum/
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 11:22 am
MM,
“Public Safety Canada recommends that everyone should be prepared to be self-sufficient for at least three days in the event of a natural disaster or some other emergency, with a kit that includes food and water, a can opener, wind-up or battery-powered flashlight, radio, first aid kit, extra keys for your house and car, cash and important family documents such as identification, insurance and bank records.”
Kind of a no brainer, would you not agree? Here on the west coast of BC, we are long overdue for a magnitude 9 earthquake. Most people have no preps whatsoever.
“Too many Canadians have yet to assemble such a kit in their homes, says Laurie Pearce, an expert in disaster management at Royal Roads University, in Victoria.”
I’ve spoken to Laurie on more than one occasion in my past life. I was involved at a high level with disaster planning, mitigation, and management.
Cloggie on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 11:37 am
50 migrants come into a country of 325 million people. That means one new migrant for around every 10 million American! WOW! I am so upset! You are not smart enough for science or math. You have mental illness and the IQ of an African.
These are the first 50 of a contingent of 1000, a nice test case to see whether Trump can prevail or that the US lefties know how to sabotage him. If he fails, the rest of the Americas know they only have to head North and rob and replace whitey.
Here you get a good impression of how cornered white America really is:
https://www.infowars.com/what-really-happened-in-charlottesville/
That’s good: total desperation and humiliation first of American whitey, last minute undeserved rescue next. I give you permission millimind to do with them what you want, like you did to the Russians in the USSR. First every trace of exceptionalism needs to evaporate from these white brains before we can plan for their survival as a junior partner of Paris-Berlin-Moscow, if they are going to be that lucky.
Hey look what we have got here, a (((comedian))) from New York congratulating Adolf with his birthday:
https://twitter.com/Matthew70948227/status/987413857999056896
Meathead doesn’t want to take it from me, “the Natzi”, but I am sure he will take it from his owners, namely that (((Gilbert Gottfried))) confirms what I have been saying all along, namely that WW2 was the war of the koshers against the white race and that assorted dummies like Soviets and Americans brought them to victory, totally against their own interest. They richly deserve a little hardness applied to themselves first.
But hey, no worries, whitey may have lost WW2, WW3 is next: Eurasia against Anglosphere, where Eurasia outnumbers Anglosphere 5:1. Brexit could not have come at a more opportune moment. All we in Eurasia need to do is wait until American whitey flees to the exits, for instance during a war against Iran.
America is a lie:
https://www.unz.com/article/why-is-the-alt-right-so-threatening/
“Integration” doesn’t exist other than in the bus and subway.
After WW3 a Versailles-2.0 will be applied to entire Anglosphere that will be completely dismembered: Down-Under to China, Greater London to the Muslims, Scotland goes Europe-direct, Quebec to France, Vancouver to China, large parts of the US-SW back to Mexico, a black country in the US-SE and Israel transplanted to Upstate-NY. East Coast mixed race.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 11:52 am
Greggie, then why did you comment on my comment? Go back in thread and you will see my comment was in response to your 3rd world buddies comment. It was a thread greggie so do you understand the point of the article or not?
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 11:56 am
“I’ve spoken to Laurie on more than one occasion in my past life. I was involved at a high level with disaster planning, mitigation, and management.“
That’s scary…I don’t think you are that smart greggie. You overplay your hand often here acting the expert but what I see is just anti-American pricking that is your expertise.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:01 pm
“I don’t think you are that smart greggie. You overplay your hand often here acting the expert but what I see is just anti-American pricking that is your expertise.”
More of your usual delusions Davy. What you ‘see’, and what is real, are two very different things. I would expect nothing less from you.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:06 pm
“Go back in thread and you will see my comment was in response to your 3rd world buddies comment.”
Makati1 is not my buddy Davy, and as far as I am aware, there are no 3rd worlders here on this forum. Most are US Americans.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:11 pm
“More of your usual delusions Davy. What you ‘see’, and what is real, are two very different things. I would expect nothing less from you.”
Who said it was real? I am just commenting on your attitude which acts above others but who’s comments indicate less than stellar abilities.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:13 pm
Makati1 is not my buddy Davy, and as far as I am aware, there are no 3rd worlders here on this forum. Most are US Americans.
billy 3rd world is your buddy and you go to great lengths to protect him and enable his polarizing message.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:17 pm
All you doomers here should go see the movie “A quiet place”…Its about a lot more than just scaring you..95% on rotten tomatoes.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a_quiet_place_2018/
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:18 pm
“Who said it was real?”
I did. I was involved at a high level with disaster planning, mitigation, and management, and the people that I dealt with were on international, federal, provincial, and local levels.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:20 pm
I did. I was involved at a high level with disaster planning, mitigation, and management, and the people that I dealt with were on international, federal, provincial, and local levels.”
I am proud of you greggie. Let’s all give greggie a round of applause….ok greggie you can sit down now. I bet that committee was a windinger.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:22 pm
“billy 3rd world is your buddy and you go to great lengths to protect him and enable his polarizing message.”
Makati1 is not my buddy Davy, and as far as I am aware, there are no 3rd worlders here on this forum. Most are US Americans, including BillT. Who BTW, has been an American for far longer than you’ve even been alive.
He obviously has far more knowledge, and experience, than you do.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:24 pm
“I am proud of you greggie.”
Thanks Davy, you should be.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:29 pm
Greggie, he is your buddy and you are obsessed with protecting billy 3rd world. His message is very important to you. You go to great lengths to do this. Why are you hiding from this fact? You prick Americans repetitively and exclusively in your attempt to help billy 3rd world out. Billy 3rd world is no longer an American. He is an ex American that is rabidly anti-American just like you and this is why he is your buddy. You want this forum to be an extremist magnet to promote your extremist message.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:32 pm
greggie, we know how important it is for you to have everyone in awe with your abilities. LMFAO.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:34 pm
“greggie, we know how important it is for you to have everyone in awe with your abilities. LMFAO.”
I could care less, but it’s obviously important to you. In a strange and twisted kind of way.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:42 pm
“Greggie, he is your buddy and you are obsessed with protecting billy 3rd world.”
I’ve never met the man, and he lives half ways around the world from me.
“His message is very important to you.”
His message is his opinion. As an American, his right to free speech is protected by law.
“You prick Americans repetitively and exclusively in your attempt to help billy 3rd world out.”
Again, for at least the hundredth time, I could care less what tax farm you were born into. You could be Swahili for all I care, it wouldn’t make you any more, or less, of a psycho.
“Billy 3rd world is no longer an American. He is an ex American that is rabidly anti-American just like you and this is why he is your buddy.”
Makati1 is an American citizen Davy, and he is not anti-American, he is anti-warmongering.
“You want this forum to be an extremist magnet to promote your extremist message.”
Everything in the world is not either American, or anti-American Davy. That would be an extremist point of view.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:44 pm
Come on greggie you are always bragging about yourself. Is it a self confidence thing.? Low self-confidence people like to talk themselves up.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:47 pm
Never said either or greggie. It is you that have the extremist anti-American agenda that polarizes this comment board. You stalk and prick Americans exclusively and repetitively. This demonstrates your behavior perfectly. Talk is cheap greggie. Behavior and actions is what matters and I have you pegged perfectly.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:52 pm
“Talk is cheap greggie. Behavior and actions is what matters and I have you pegged perfectly.”
You have never met me, or witnessed either my behaviours, or my actions. This is a discussion forum Davy. All talk. No behaviour, and no actions.
You are clearly not playing with a full deck Davy.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 12:57 pm
“Come on greggie you are always bragging about yourself.”
If you consider somebody else talking about what they have done as bragging, that only points to your own emotional insecurities Davy. I’m sure that if you really knew how much some of my involvement impacts your own personal day to day life, you’d likely have an emotional meltdown.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 1:00 pm
Greg
The cause of war is preparation for war…
-W.E.B Du Bois
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 1:35 pm
Your persona here that you are so self conscious of I know greggie. That is what I am talking about. Who knows about who you are otherwise and I could care less. Here you are a prick that attacks Americans exclusively. You promote extremist by enabling there message. You flank them but then whine when their image rubs off on you. I am referring to you indulging in Nazi sympathy or Deagel Dot Com nonsense.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 2:31 pm
“Here you are a prick that attacks Americans exclusively.”
Let’s try this one more time, shall we.
I couldn’t care less what tax farm you were born into Davy. It makes zero difference to me.
“You promote extremist by enabling there message.”
You would be the extremist here. Everything to you is either American, or anti-American. Black or white. No middle ground.
You have polarized this board Davy, between 4.5% of the world’s population, and everybody else.
“I am referring to you indulging in Nazi sympathy or Deagel Dot Com nonsense.”
I do not indulge in anything Davy. While I do have sympathy for all of those who lost their lives in WW2, I have no way of telling whether the American website Deagel.com is correct or not. I do not have a crystal ball, and neither do you.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 2:59 pm
Greggie, give it a rest. See what happens when the pricking turns on you. You get egg on your face. Other people want to participate so quit clouding the board with your stupidity. I thought you were so special. Show that behavior that got you nominated to the prestigious something or another Canadian committee. Do you act this way at the committee meetings too? I think you are stuck on yourself. You like the exposure. You like being the top dog. I am just seeing childish behavior and low intelligence.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 3:06 pm
“You have polarized this board Davy, between 4.5% of the world’s population, and everybody else.”
I take that back. I seriously doubt that even 20% of Americans are fanatical extremists like you are Davy. So likely less than 1% of the world’s population.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 4:07 pm
Greggie, give the pricking a rest. Others would like to speak. Show that behavior that got you nominated to that prestigious committee you have been bragging about. I think you are full of shit because what kind of person with such a dysfunctional personality would be on such a committee of whatever that goofy committee is you say you were on.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 4:34 pm
“Show that behavior that got you nominated to that prestigious committee you have been bragging about.”
Which prestigious committee would you be referring to Davy? Or merely more of your usual paranoid delusions?
makati1 on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 7:23 pm
“Makati1 is an American citizen Davy, and he is not anti-American, he is anti-warmongering.”
Spot on, Greg. I wish only the best for Americans, but I see where they are going because of their own inaction to prevent it. For that, they deserve what is coming. Unfortunately, that inaction enables the wanton destruction and killing around the world by the psychopaths in Washington. I only hope they do not take the rest of us down with them.
Davy on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 7:54 pm
“I wish only the best for Americans”
I guess that is why you wish a 3:00am wakeup call from Russia. STFU liar.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 8:00 pm
Madkat
Your double think is laughable. First you say all Americans are brainwashed. Then you blame the brainwashed people for not preventing the war mongering. if they are brainwashed they don’t know any better. You can’t have it both ways. You dumbshit
MASTERMIND on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 8:08 pm
Venezuela’s collapse one of the worst in modern history:IMF
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/39989671/venezuelas-collapse-one-of-the-worst-in-modern-history-imf/
makati1 on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 8:11 pm
MM, your non-thought is obvious. Most Americans ARE totally brainwashed. It is a voluntary affliction. Especially in this age of the internet. Lack of rational thought, exceptional greed, etc. has turned Americans into zombies.
Thousands of Americans, still awake, are leaving the country every year for a better place in the world. I did so. You can too.
Too late now, I think, for most Americans. but the coming pain will wake some of them up to civil action, I hope. We shall see.
“dumshit”? Look in the mirror MM.
makati1 on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 8:25 pm
“Venezuela’s collapse one of the worst in modern history:IMF”
Soon to be followed by the Us which will make Venezuela seem like a picnic.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 8:55 pm
Madkat
Government Intervention is triggered by a Keynesian belief that aggregate demand can be increased by lower interest rates and by increasing government deficits thereby somehow spurring economic growth. Debt grows faster than income growth and eventually has to be restructured, i.e., everyone loses in the end. Since 2007, global debt has grown by US$57 trillion and it’s had disastrous results. Greece, Detroit, Puerto Richo, Venezuela are just the beginning of this trend. Soon, it will be followed by larger countries like China and United States.
https://www.perchingtree.com/return-of-great-depression/
‘WORSE THAN 2007’: Top central banker warns of looming wave of worldwide bankruptcies
http://www.businessinsider.com/worse-than-2007-top-banker-warns-of-looming-wave-of-worldwide-bankruptcies-2016-1
Leave the economics to someone educated like me. If someone needs someone to fart all day and put up a new fence they will call you!
MASTERMIND on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 9:31 pm
Madkat it was your dumb fuck generation that ruined America. And now you skeet off to another country and blame the people who are still here. You slime ball.
https://i.redd.it/cw0eiezy5dt01.jpg
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 9:38 pm
“Greece, Detroit, Puerto Richo, Venezuela are just the beginning of this trend. Soon, it will be followed by larger countries like China and United States.”
That statement would be in agreement with makati1 MM. Just saying.
GregT on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 9:42 pm
“Madkat it was your dumb fuck generation that ruined America.”
America isn’t ruined yet MM, but it soon will be if the brainwashed masses don’t stand up against the MIC and the ZOG.
makati1 on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 9:59 pm
MM keeps proving his ignorance. A lack of English comprehension, I guess. Maybe he slept thru that class in college?
MASTERMIND on Sat, 21st Apr 2018 10:15 pm
Madkat
You just want the US to collapse because you want revenge on your ex wife. Grow up..it was your fault she left you! I would leave you too..You are a self righteous-arrogant old prude! If the US wasn’t plundering the world. Then some other country world fill the vacuum. This is just what humans do. And your whole beef with the US is self serving. It makes you feel like a good person, to shake your finger! Typical Mormon…