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Are Iran and Israel Headed for Their First Direct War?
SYRIA-ISRAEL BORDER, Golan Heights — Ever since the Iranian Islamic Revolution in 1979, Iran and Israel have been fighting each other in the shadows — through proxies, assassination squads and cyber-virus attacks, but never as rival armies meeting on the field of battle. That may be about to change, and if it does, it will have vast implications for Syria, Lebanon and the whole Middle East.
I’m sure neither side really wants a war. It could be devastating for Israel’s flourishing high-tech economy and for Iran’s already collapsing currency. But Iran’s Revolutionary Guards’ Quds Force seems determined to try to turn Syria into a base from which to pressure Israel, and Israel seems determined to prevent that. And in the past few weeks — for the first time ever — Israel and Iran have begun quietly trading blows directly, not through proxies, in Syria.
They have already gone through two rounds, and Round 3, now pending, could blow Syria sky-high.
Round 1 occurred on Feb. 10, when an Iranian drone launched by a Quds Force unit operating out of Syria’s T4 air base, in central Syria, was shot down with a missile from an Israeli Apache helicopter that was following it after it penetrated northern Israel airspace.
Initial reports were that the drone was purely on a reconnaissance mission. But the Israeli Army’s spokesman, Brig. Gen. Ronen Manelis, said Friday that the flight path and Israel’s analysis of the drone indicated that “the aircraft was carrying explosives” and that its mission was “an act of sabotage in Israeli territory.”
If true, that suggests that the Quds Force — commanded by Iran’s military mastermind Qassem Suleimani — was trying to launch an actual military strike on Israel.
“This is the first time we saw Iran do something against Israel — not by proxy,” a senior Israeli military source told me. “This opened a new period.”
It certainly did, because in Round 2, on April 9, Israeli jets launched a missile strike on T4, the drone’s home base — directly targeting, for the first time, an Iranian facility and personnel in Syria. Seven Quds Force members were killed, including Col. Mehdi Dehghan, who led the drone unit.
While the Israeli Army spokesman refused to confirm or deny the Israeli raid, Iran’s government unusually highlighted it — and Iran’s casualties — and vowed to take revenge.
“The Zionist entity will sooner or later receive the necessary response and will regret its misdeeds,” Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman, Bahram Qasemi, said Monday.
So now the whole neighborhood is holding its breath: Will there be a Round 3? Israeli defense officials let it be known that if the Iranians strike back, Israel may use the opportunity to mount a massive counterstrike on Iran’s entire military infrastructure in Syria, where Iran is attempting to establish forward air bases and factories for GPS-guided missiles that could hit targets inside Israel with much greater accuracy — inside a 50-meter radius. Iran also plans to provide the missiles to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
These Israeli defense officials say there is zero chance Israel will make the same mistake it made in Lebanon — letting Hezbollah establish a large missile threat there — by letting Iran do so in Syria.
On Tuesday, to drive home that point, the Israeli government reportedly distributed maps to Israeli news organizations showing five Iranian-controlled bases in Syria. All that was missing on them were bull’s-eyes of exactly where Israel will drop its bombs if the Iranians carry out their threats. The message from Israel to the Quds Force was hard to miss: “Beware. We know exactly where to find you.”
As Israel’s defense minister, Avigdor Lieberman, put it to a gathering of Israeli soldiers on Monday: “We are facing a new reality — the Lebanese Army, in cooperation with Hezbollah, the Syrian Army, the Shiite militias in Syria and above them Iran — are all becoming a single front against the state of Israel.”
Iran has legitimate security concerns in the gulf; it faces a number of hostile, pro-American Sunni Arab powers trying to contain its influence and undermine its Islamic regime. From Iran’s perspective, these are a threat. I get that.
But what is Iran doing in Syria?
Tehran’s building of bases and missile factories in Syria, after having helped President Bashar al-Assad largely crush the uprising against him, appears to be a move by the Quds Force’s Suleimani to extend Iran’s grip on key parts of the Sunni Arab world and advance his position at home in his struggle for power with Hassan Rouhani, Iran’s president. The Quds Force now more or less controls — through proxies — four Arab capitals: Damascus, Beirut, Baghdad and Sana.
Indeed, Iran has become the biggest “occupying power” in the Arab world today. But Suleimani may be overplaying his hand.
Even before the recent clashes with Israel, many average Iranians were publicly asking: What is Iran doing spending billions of dollars — which were supposed to go to Iranians as a result of the lifting of sanctions from the Iran nuclear deal — fighting wars in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen?
That concern is surely one reason Iran, for all its fist-shaking — has not retaliated — yet. The Israeli airstrike on T4, along with the U.S.-British-French airstrike on the Syrian regime’s suspected chemical weapons facilities, have actually exposed the strategic vulnerabilities of both Russia and Iran in Syria. Their forces are very powerful versus the rebels there, but not so powerful versus the Western forces and Israel. Iran, which has to depend largely on Syria’s air defense system, is particularly exposed to Israel’s Air Force.
“Russia’s appearance of omnipotence in the Syrian arena has been shattered,” military writer Anshel Pfeffer noted in Haaretz on Monday. “Appearances of power count for a lot in this region.” Russia’s “forces there are insufficient to take on any of the other nations who have operated, and may operate again, in Syria. … The United States, Britain and France, as well as Israel and Turkey, can all deploy larger and more capable forces to the region much faster than Russia can.”
Suleimani could opt to strike back at Israel through proxies, either in the Middle East or against Israeli targets globally. But he now has to think twice about that, both because his forces in Syria are exposed — and for another reason: Iran is exposed financially. Iran’s currency is collapsing back home. The Iranian rial has lost one-third of its value just this year, which a wider confrontation with Israel would only exacerbate.
It would seem, in other words, that Suleimani is at odds with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and Iran’s President Rouhani. Putin and Rouhani share an interest in Syria quieting down now, and not becoming a financial drain or a military quagmire — by Suleimani turning it into an arena for a direct war with Israel.
But economic restraints have never stopped Suleimani and his Quds Force before and may not now. Their ambitions are big — to create a base to pressure Israel directly, to dominate the Arab states around them and to maintain the fervor of the Islamic Revolution. Everyone is basically awaiting Suleimani’s next move. Does he back down, lose a little face, and wait until he is stronger? Does Israel let him?
These are momentous days for both countries. One thing I know for sure. The status quo is not sustainable.
158 Comments on "Are Iran and Israel Headed for Their First Direct War?"
onlooker on Thu, 19th Apr 2018 6:17 pm
Anything is possible now in the ME and thus the planet
twocats on Thu, 19th Apr 2018 8:22 pm
the pro-Israeli bias in the article is to be expected but it is laying it on rather thick and obvious – like a two-bit hooker. I mean almost every other sentence is pure distortion and propaganda.
and the tone is just bizarre “momentous days” “I’m sure neither side wants a war”. what is this crack-head on and how do I get some of that sweet juju (pun unintended).
twocats on Thu, 19th Apr 2018 8:26 pm
I clicked on the article – thomas friendman! hahahahahah!!!!! that is flipping hysterical and makes total sense. I was wondering how such dribble made it into the times.
friedman has to be the luckiest SOB on the planet. guy is complete tool – total lackey loser – just happened to be at the right place (beirut) at the right time (the thing with the thing). f my life.
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Apr 2018 8:45 pm
It is not what they teach you at school, too “sensitive”, but Israel was born out of the Balfour Agreement, an agreement between the antisemite Arthur Balfour…
https://forward.com/opinion/386480/its-time-to-admit-that-arthur-balfour-was-a-white-supremacist-and-an-anti-s/
…and International Jewry.
The Balfour Agreement may be common knowledge, but not the reasons why it came about. Britain was with the back against the wall, in a war, WW1, it had brought about with the aim to destroy Germany in order to achieve a New British Century (does that ring a bell?):
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/britain-masterminded-ww1/
Germany had defeated Russia in the East, was in a winning position in the West and had offered an advantageous peace deal to the British and French (group hug and go home), but the British fanatics were not prepared for a German Century that inevitably was to follow and were determined to win at all cost.
American Jews came to the rescue. They knew they could arm-twist Wilson into sending the US army to Europe, in a war that had nothing to do with US interests but everything with Jewish interests: Palestine.
As such Germany became for the first time the victim of the koshers and was pushed into the abyss of Versailles, not because they were defeated but because the Germans trusted the Americans to be honest brokers, always a bad idea.
The Balfour agreement would only materialize after WW2, when a hollowed-out and empty shell Britain had become a US colony, forced by their American “friends” to give up the largest empire in history. The half-American Churchill, responsible for dragging Americans and Soviets into Europe, has been chosen “man of the century”. Strange fellas, these British.
Israel is built on stolen land and stolen goods usually do not prosper. The Jews should have listened to Hitler when he offered them Madagaskar. Nice climate, green water, no muslims. It turned out different. When in Januari 1942 the German army had preempted a Soviet attack and made rapid advances into the USSR, a meeting was organized in the Wannsee villa with the purpose of organizing the Final Solution of the Jewish Problem, meaning, for those people who can read, a relocation of European Jewry to the East, back to the territory they had come from centuries earlier:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
The event also became known as the “holocaust”, after large scale US media campaigns in the seventies. That’s what you get if you let the Nuremberg sham trial be run by 70% Jewish staff.
It was the (alleged) fate of European Jewry that broke the dams and Israel was born. At the cost of the expelled/fled original inhabitants, the Palestinians.
The article talks about Iran. But there is also Turkey. Together they have 190 million people. Here we have Erdogan giving a speech in 2015, when US proxy ISIS was winning:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yD5Uzrm2Cdo
Erdogan wants to make peace between Sunnis and Shi’ites and together reconquer Jerusalem and the Al-Aqsa Mosque in particular, the third holiest site in Islam. Prime Minister Ahmed Davutoglu had remarked recently, that “Jerusalem belongs to the Muslims, not to the Jews“. Erdogan also said at the occasion that he wants “El-Andaluz” back (that would be Spain). We in Europe are definately not going to bore ourselves to death, after the immanent implosion of the US empire.
The prospects for Israel are grim indeed, outf*cked as they are by their neighbors. Fortunately they can have a piece of land in Upstate New York, “after the break”.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 19th Apr 2018 8:53 pm
Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Apr 2018 8:57 pm
“Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!”
How did my favorite Australian by far put it again when talking about the likes of millimind?
https://s.yimg.com/tr/i/0c94adc2e5ab403488f3dbe3e1336fe1_A.jpeg
MASTERMIND on Thu, 19th Apr 2018 9:01 pm
Clogg
I think you are giving the jews way to much credit..You are extremely paranoid. You hate the jews because most of them are everything you are not. Smart, whitey, kind, powerful, wealthy! Everything a neckbeard like you will ever be!
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Apr 2018 9:16 pm
Soros Open Society Foundation has fled Hungary. Seen as “enemy of the state”, which is what they are, using third world immigration as a weapon against the autochtones.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29632/it-worked-hungarys-tough-opposition-soros-forces-paul-bois
Good riddance to Soros. Remaindet Europe is next.
This could be the next Italian PM talking about Soros machinations on Italian TV:
https://youtu.be/1jt9MLdg3JQ
America may be gone, Europe not yet. Hardness is required. The populists are going to win this fight.
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Apr 2018 9:24 pm
“You hate the jews because most of them are everything you are not. Smart, whitey, kind, powerful, wealthy! Everything a neckbeard like you will ever be!”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
37k/capita
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands
53k/capita
Kosher losers.
You may have owned America 1933-202x, we Europeans had it for three centuries and we will be the seniors again, after WW3, your tribe is going to instigate for us. What are you waiting for?
“Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!”
All talk, no substance.
Boat on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 12:15 am
Clog
Cutting off banking with Russia and Iran would be smarter than bombing. Get-er-done.
Theedrich on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 12:26 am
Excellent posts, Cloggie! IsItReal exists only because it controls the American Jewbox and bribe-ocracy. But not even the Yankee funny farm can survive the global storm it has generated. Whether due to thermonukes or economic collapse, its days are numbered.
makati1 on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 12:31 am
Boat, cutting off China and Russia would be the end of the Us. You better think that one through.
Hint… that TV you are watching comes from…?
The engine that puts Us satellites comes from…?
Rare earths that are used in most electronics comes from…?
etc.
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 3:35 am
“Boat, cutting off China and Russia would be the end of the Us. You better think that one through.”
You are both stupid and ignorant of economics and finance. In the real world this would not happen without doing severe damage to all sides. But you idiots are not that bright.
DerHundistlos on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 3:37 am
Israel has morphed into becoming everything that the country abhorred- the Palestinians live in two over-crowded concentration camps, Israel steals Arab farms and homes at any time and for any reason.
Israel gets away with murder. How many people are aware of the USS Liberty attack? During the 1967 war, Israeli air force planes were repainted to appear as Egyptian jets. Then a vicious attack was launched against the USS Liberty with the intention of killing all on board and sinking the navy technical research ship sailing in international waters to eliminate all witnesses. Israel dropped bombs including napalm. 36 sailors were killed and 176 wounded.
Israel naturally blamed the incident on Egypt until such time as the evidence was overwhelming. The consequences? None. Hell, Israel was not even required to pay for the ship’s structural damage!!!!!
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 3:52 am
Israel naturally blamed the incident on Egypt until such time as the evidence was overwhelming. The consequences? None. Hell, Israel was not even required to pay for the ship’s structural damage!!!!!
Why would that be? Because the Texan Jew LBJ had murdered himself into presidential office, that’s why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79lOKs0Kr_Y
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=161630
Here we have LBJ signing America’s suicide note (or execution order rather, from the perspective of LBJ):
http://www.lbjlibrary.org/assets/uploads/lbj/Press/a1421-30a_med.jpg
What an iconic picture!
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 3:58 am
“Why would that be? Because the Texan Jew LBJ had murdered himself into presidential office, that’s why:”
Nonsense and even if he has some Jew blood in him from 2oo years earlier who cares. He was a Texas Democrat. I seriously doubt your lying sources anyway.
Slimball
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 4:29 am
So what is your proof that this woman was lying about LBJ saying one day before the hit that JFK would die?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79lOKs0Kr_Y
Dimwit.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lee-harvey-oswald-jfk-files-conspiracy-theories-why-americans-dont-believe-killer-a8022206.html
The hit was about JFK intending to abolish the Federal Reserve (cash cow of the Jews) and to prevent Israel from acquiring nukes:
http://www.markdankof.com/mossadmurdersjfk.htm
From his father Joseph Kennedy (US ambassador in London in 1939) he was informed about the real story behind WW2 and Joseph intended to use his son as a weapon against J-Power in the US:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329556/How-JFK-secretly-ADMIRED-Hitler-Explosive-book-reveals-Presidents-praise-Nazis-travelled-Germany-Second-World-War.html
But tell me Davy boy, why did LBJ “the democrat” cover up the attack against The Liberty, TheHound is talking about?
Just kidding.
Dear reader, expect the Prozark to flee from a discussion, just like he always does about WW2 and 9/11.
Meathead, the bullhorn of the US empire, on its way out.
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 4:39 am
“ So what is your proof that this woman was lying about LBJ saying one day before the hit that JFK would die?”
What proof do you have dimwit? The word of an old woman?
“But tell me Davy boy, why did LBJ “the democrat” cover up the attack against The Liberty, TheHound is talking about?”
Who cares about an obscure 20th century event that I am sure you dumbasses have no real clue about but speculation being conspiracy addicted old men with nothing to do but whine. You live in the past like a junkie taking news and twisting it and regurgitating it to support your quilt work of fantasy..
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 4:54 am
What proof do you have dimwit? The word of an old woman?
Oh la la, don’t let your wife find out what you think of her.
Who cares about an obscure 20th century event
The standard routine Meathead applies if a discussion goes in the direction he doesn’t want to go, be it WW2, ZOG, 9/11 and now JFK. Meathead knows he is sitting on a pack of lies, so the “who cares” routine follows.
Meathead’s owner Millimind same story: “who cares how WTC7 came down, nobody got killed anyway”.ROFL
WTC7 free fall speed –> must have been controlled demolition –> owner Larry Silverstein and Israeli security company Kroll running WTC –> 9/11 was done by Israel. Period. No need to read thick tomes on the subject.
Nobody can say anything against that line of reasoning.
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 5:07 am
“The standard routine Meathead applies if a discussion goes in the direction he doesn’t want to go, be it WW2, ZOG, 9/11 and now JFK. Meathead knows he is sitting on a pack of lies, so the “who cares” routine follows.”
Conspiracy addicted old white guy nonsense. Some of it may be true but nothing that can become a new history. You live in a fantasy world nedernazi.
“WTC7 free fall speed”
Who cares about 911? We are in a new century. It is obvious the neocons were a failure. Maybe it happened maybe it didn’t. I have seen no solid proof it did. We have bigger fish to fry now than living in this past that you have to recite daily like saying the rosary so you maintain your fantasy faith. You are a liar and a fake.
makati1 on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 5:20 am
Economics and finance, Davy? Your ignorance and delusions extend to All of the real world. You don’t want to hear how the Us depends on the rest of the world to exist and how the rest of the world is walking away from you. How the rest of the world will party when the Us goes down forever. Only the 1%ers will be panic stricken and losers. And fools like you who defend them.
Do you think that Russia will care? China? Iran? Syria? Libya? Afghanistan? Yemen? The African countries? South America? Central America? Eastern Europe? The Koreas? and on and on. All 7.3 billion of us, outside the Us Iron Curtain, wait for that day. Even Japan will be happy to see the immoral, ignorant, arrogant Americans leave their country. “Yankee go home!” is the current thought of most of the 7+ billion who share this planet outside the Us. You refuse to see or believe that. The world will adjust to your absence.
Your blinders are firmly in place. Your mindset is fixed on the idea that America is ‘indispensable and exceptional’ when all it is is a loser country. A has been. Third world in fact if not quite visible to you … yet.
Now, revert to your immature name calling putdowns that are ineffective and funny. I might actually read them if they are still in the comments list at the right side of the screen when I am online. Or I may not. Too many other, more important, things to do most of the time than to laugh at your bullshit.
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 5:35 am
“WTC7 free fall speed”
Who cares about 911? We are in a new century. It is obvious the neocons were a failure. Maybe it happened maybe it didn’t. I have seen no solid proof it did. We have bigger fish to fry now than living in this past that you have to recite daily like saying the rosary so you maintain your fantasy faith. You are a liar and a fake.
The only lying fake are you and again we see this drive to cover up the largest crime in US history: “who cares”.
Says a lot about meathead’s fiber. Meathead wants the perps to get away with murder of 3000 people, because he fears that “the 1-percent” was indeed involved. And covering up the truth could be “anti-American”.
You can’t make this stuff up. What an unbelievable POS you are.
This illustrates that you and the empire gang you belong to and identify with can invent any lie. Davy will cover it up regardless.
“German war guilt”, holohoax, JFK murder, 9/11, WMD-lies, Syrian nerve gas, anything. Meathead is the ultimate ZOG-bot, the last Soviet standing.
I have seen no solid proof it did.
I gave it to you. Explain why this is not solid proof?
WTC7 free fall speed –> must have been controlled demolition –> owner Larry Silverstein and Israeli security company Kroll running WTC –> 9/11 was done by Israel. Period. No need to read thick tomes on the subject.
tic-toc-tic-toc
(He won’t bite but continue to cover up for the lies of Washington)
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 5:53 am
‘You don’t want to hear how the Us depends on the rest of the world to exist and how the rest of the world is walking away from you.”
Shut up extremist the rest of the world depends on the US also it is call codependence of interconnectedness. The US is becoming more a part of a multi-polar world quit exaggerating as you always do you extremist anti-American dumbass.
“How the rest of the world will party when the Us goes down forever. Only the 1%ers will be panic stricken and losers. And fools like you who defend them.”
Quit interjecting your emotions into the topic. Can’t you stay objective and on topic.
“All 7.3 billion of us, outside the Us Iron Curtain, wait for that day.”
Wow, slow down old man you are going to have a stoke. Now breathe deep and stop hyperventilating. I know you can’t control your emotions but that is what adults do. Are you ready to go to the old folks home where nurses can care for you…oops… you are in a 3rd world country with no access to such things.
“Your blinders are firmly in place. Your mindset is fixed on the idea that America is ‘indispensable and exceptional’ when all it is is a loser country. A has been. Third world in fact if not quite visible to you … yet.”
Extremist anti-American nonsense. You are just spouting off emotions. I have not seen one fact yet only emotions.
“Now, revert to your immature name calling putdowns that are ineffective and funny.”
Shut up dumbass, you call people plenty of names and do all the put downs you just hide them in hate and polarizing comments. If I call you names that is because I am honest and upfront about it. The names fit you perfectly. Don’t think you can get away with your behavior then whine about name calling. SLIMEBALL.
“I might actually read them if they are still in the comments list at the right side of the screen when I am online. Or I may not. Too many other, more important, things to do most of the time than to laugh at your bullshit.”
You read everything I say billy 3rd world. You just say such things to act like you are above the moderating from my neutering.
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 5:55 am
“tic-toc-tic-toc”
nedernazi, how many friggen times are you going to copy and paste the same shit over and over. Give it a rest. You are one obsessive extremist with nothing to do. You are here constantly day and night. Don’t you sleep, get a job please.
makati1 on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 5:58 am
The Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches of the Us government should be tried for war crimes. Few, if any, would be found innocent. Add in the generals and admirals, the State Department, NSA, Federal Reserve, etc. Clean house. Then go after the multi-nats that profit from terror and plundering worldwide.
Better yet, collapse the Us economy and the ability to wage war anywhere. Collapse the stock market casino forever to zero. Trap the above mentioned felons in their walled country where they will be hated and pursued to their deaths like the insane killers they are. Add in their ‘enablers’ who wave the bloody flag and support them.
But that will likely not happen. it will be nukes or Civil War. We shall see.
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 6:01 am
So many more in Asia should be tried for crimes against humanity so shut up you blabbering old man. China is one big crime against humanity and the planetary ecosystem. Your leader Duerte is a criminal. Putin is a mafia don that has killed multiple people. I could go on and on. The world is full of killers including the US. Go out to the fantasy farm and play with your cobra.
TheNationalist on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 7:45 am
The International Jew is a scourge to all of the christian west.
Cloggie is right, whilst Churchill did some good to keep the krauts from invading the U.K. he was in bed with the American Jewry too much for my liking.
Now the yids have destabilised the entire middle east and are causing the death and suffering of millions. The ‘Haircut in search of a brain’ jew John Kerry (not his real name) was a good example of the filth floating to the top of yankeeland these days.
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 8:10 am
whilst Churchill did some good to keep the krauts from invading the U.K.
Not to play this up too much… but it were the British who declared war on Germany on September 1, 1939, not the other way around.
In fact, since German unification in 1871, the geopolitical naive Germans admired nobody more than the British and this lasted until the Hess flight to Scotland in May 1941, when the Germans had detected that the Soviets were about to attack, so the desperate Germans tried to at least to make peace with Britain.
The British ventured to destroy the best friend they could have ever had, much better than Soviets, Americans or even the “Frogs”.
This cartoon from Punch says it all:
https://tinyurl.com/y8a9j4vm
Germany: hurt pride
Britain: looking devious, snatching the French bride away, in order to destroy Germany in WW1
In hindsight, it is from a British perspective even a shame that Operation Sea Lion failed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion
Hey, the British even survived the Dutch invasion of 1690, which turned them into a fine Protestant country (rub, rub.lol)
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/bbc-british-biggest-fibs-the-glorious-revolution/
If the Germans had managed to invade Britain in 1940, for no other purpose than to force the British to peace and arrest Churchill, today Britain would have been a 100% British country. Instead assorted inconveniences like Soviets and Americans were drawn into Europe, colonizing everybody, including the Brits. Exit the most glorious empire in world history.
Sigh.
But the British will never forgive the Germans their unification of 1871, ending British 19th century hegemony by 1890.
History, stumbling from tragedy to tragedy.
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 8:27 am
History being butchered and revised is all you are doing nedernazi. You can always flush a rat when the story fits together so smoothly. Jew baiting is all I am seeing. Yea, the global Jewish leadership is disgusting but so are the deluded conspiracy addicted old white men who push empty agendas of lies. No wonder people of color are becoming so influential. All we need to do is look at this board to see old white men who are whining pussies. Grow some nuts please.
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 8:38 am
Thanks Davy for this intellectual rant, devoid of any historical content whatsoever, as per usual. You would not even know where to begin to add anything of substance.
History being butchered… nedernazi. You can always flush a rat when the story fits together so smoothly. Jew baiting is all I am seeing. Yea, the global Jewish leadership is disgusting but so are the deluded conspiracy addicted old white men who push empty agendas of lies. No wonder people of color are becoming so influential. old white men who are whining pussies. Grow some nuts please.
Davy stopped developing at an age of 12.
This is how the inner of his skull looks like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qDdYlyLRoI
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 8:43 am
History being butchered and revised is all you are doing nedernazi.
Well Davy, try to act like an educated men, rather than a stupid farmer from the Ozarks.
Where exactly is “history being butchered”. Please correct me. I would love to learn from you, for a change. I really do.
The floor and microphone is yours.
tic-toc-tic-toc
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 8:46 am
Nedernazi, you are story telling with cherry picked events out of context and without relationships. We saw that shit in WW2 with your Adolph and his cabal. Your story is a lie because the presentation serves your purpose. History is not there for individuals like you. History stands on its own. You are a lying slimball that is subhuman.
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 8:50 am
Nazi, I am sitting in my small prairie waiting on the dew to burn off and then I am going to set a fire off that would scare the shit out of a whining pussy like you. Go ahead and play your well crafted games of copy and paste goal seeking history to serve your ends. You are the most disgusting piece of rancid flesh to walk the earth.
Antius on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 9:02 am
“In fact, since German unification in 1871, the geopolitical naive Germans admired nobody more than the British and this lasted until the Hess flight to Scotland in May 1941, when the Germans had detected that the Soviets were about to attack, so the desperate Germans tried to at least to make peace with Britain.”
They sure learned their lesson. There are essentially two types of Briton: (1) The arrogant elites who care about nothing other than advancing their own authority; (2) The beleaguered suckers that they rule over.
The French disposed of their parasite class at the end of the 18th century. Britain didn’t. They are still ruled by people that regard them as underlings. The British government are shit. They are bent towards controlling and undermining their own people. Does it surprise anyone that they might also treat the rest of the world equally badly?
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 9:11 am
Nedernazi, you are story telling with cherry picked events out of context and without relationships. We saw that shit in WW2 with your Adolph and his cabal. Your story is a lie because the presentation serves your purpose. History is not there for individuals like you. History stands on its own. You are a lying slimball that is subhuman. Nazi, I am sitting in my small prairie waiting on the dew to burn off and then I am going to set a fire off that would scare the shit out of a whining pussy like you. Go ahead and play your well crafted games of copy and paste goal seeking history to serve your ends. You are the most disgusting piece of rancid flesh to walk the earth.
I walked twice through this furious rant, but could not detect a single reference to history, Meathead claims I “butchered”.
The only thing I clearly detected was that Meathead is furious like hell.
The cornered animal that he is 🙂
Meathead has absolutely nothing to say about the history of WW2. He never has in all the years we are both here. And it makes him mad as hell that he has nothing to say. Because he was always convinced that America is a beacon of liberty and goodness and the rest of the world a shithole. And for years he is challenged by me and deep inside he knows I’m right. If he had seen a loophole, he would have used it, but he never has. Meathead feels humiliated. That’s why he is angry.
twocats on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 9:24 am
The floor and microphone is yours…tic-toc-tic-toc
the height of trolldom. a holocaust denier trying to steer a conversation about war in syria to 911 conspiracy theory, the holocaust, origins of israel, churchill. almost all of it either irrelevant or absurd. a fringe poster with his most fringiest ideas – couched behind the occassional renewable energy “see aren’t I enlightened” euro-kumbayaa post. makes me wish we had an ignore button like on POB. This kind of garbage is just toxin to anything it goes near. And not because of genetics cloggie – but who you are. You are filth. but more importantly you are a near absolute troll. Stick to the renewables and spare us the inner pathology.
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 9:42 am
the height of trolldom
But just like Davy you are not going to undertake to try to make minced meat of me, right? That would be the right thing to do on a discussion board worth its name. Avoid difficult discussions by demonizing your opponent, the easy way out for someone without intellectual substance. The only one who ever seriously tried to defeat me over all these years was ghung. He will never try it again.
But who cares, the truth about your (?) country will be revealed to you after WW3, now “immanent”, shortly after the demise of the presidency of DJT, the last president of European America.
fmr-paultard on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 9:51 am
of course the world is in a de-escalation mode but the war is raging in its intensity down in eurotard’s basement. this is exact scenario fhurer faced when he moved ghosts armies to counter russian threats to the capitol.
of coruse china knows not to mess with australia because america still has the largest military on earth and a military solution would be too easy.
why would china be so stupid after all they told kim jung un to stand down and make peace. of course they have to. a shooting war would draw in china and ensure her total defeat.
Antius on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 9:56 am
“But who cares, the truth about your (?) country will be revealed to you after WW3, now “immanent”, shortly after the demise of the presidency of DJT, the last president of European America.”
What does Cloggie think of this?:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-19/polands-repopulation-problem
This is a problem facing all of the western world now and is a direct result of toxic left-wing values that have eaten away the traditional family. Unless something very dramatic happens, we are heading the same way as the American Indians. Not something anyone other than millimind or Madkat will be happy about.
Cloggie seems confident that Europe is on the cusp of some kind of populist nationalist revolution. The problem is that present day leaders like Macron, do not share these values. And there is a limited window of opportunity to stop the rot, before western nations are subsumed under the brown tide of third world immigration.
fmr-paultard on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 9:57 am
deescalation is not good to supertards strategy of having a strong military. it would be easy to whack china in a quick war. but supertards are denied the chance in a de-escalation strategy in china. but supertards can force china to sink american ships or australia just by arming taiwan.
china is a dictatorship like putin so they love military solution but it has to be encouraged like japan and ww2 and fuhrer also.
as a former paultard / libertarian who was advised to get “NAPpy” i understand the state love the use of force. so i’m always NAPpy.
just look at al baghdadi! he loved hot wars and he effectively wrote the history of the world that the idea of a caliphate is over for good.
joe on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 10:16 am
People need to remember that
Israel is ruled by Zionists, therefore they consider Persia, not Arabs as their true enemies, Jews consider Arabs the way Spartans considered helots. Persians however in a religious/historical sense defeated Israel once before, so Zionists will destroy them first.
Imho….
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 10:31 am
@Antius – mixed feelings about Polands demography. You are of course correct about leftist values, demise of the family, free sex, etc., etc. All true. On the other hand it would be good to have fewer people in Europe (300-400 million instead of 500 million)… provided we seriously begin to defend our southern border, which is extremely easy to defend… if you want to. I have some hope that Italy could develop a different attitude now that the populists (sort of) carried away the victory there. Austria is another promising gate keeper. Hungary is plain fabulous. My all-time favorite Europeans.
Cloggie seems confident that Europe is on the cusp of some kind of populist nationalist revolution.
It more or less happened in Russia and Eastern Europe and has now spilled over to Austria and Italy and Eastern Germany. Marine le Pen scored 36% last year, which is considerable, but she is too anti-European and therefor lost. I hope she rethinks. My preferred strategy is NOT to abolish European cooperation but rather to tame it through a conservative “Gaullist (Putinist) revolution”. Abolish the intended EU super state and replace it with a more EEC form of cooperation, “Europe of the Fatherlands”, where France, Germany and Russia play the leading role. Once that is in place we should concentrate on North-America and draw those willing to participate in a global “European Culture Circle”.
This won’t happen without WW3.
BobInget on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 12:54 pm
That Israel and their great Allie Saudi Arabia will some day attack Iran is a distinct possibility.
What is less certain, will the US join in?
Which side will Putin take? Neither, IMO. Instead,
V. Putin will watch as the US, Israel, Iran, Saudi,
destroy each other.
Cloggie on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 1:15 pm
I never fully understood why Putin volunteered to intervene in Syria, putting his own country ar great risk, while ISIS was in the process of blowing up the entire ME. Putin might as well have watched from the sideline how the US colonial system blew itself up.
GregT on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 2:16 pm
“Nazi, I am sitting in my small prairie waiting on the dew to burn off and then I am going to set a fire off that would scare the shit out of a whining pussy like you.”
Now that truly is a scary thought. It’s bad enough that they’ve allowed you access to a cell phone. Matches take things to an entirely different level.
You should immediately be reported to the authorities, before you seriously injure somebody, or worse.
Anonymouse1 on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 3:33 pm
More like shitting in his small SWAMP. Or, wooden shack works just as well. I guess when you have gone insane, a fetid swamp starts to look like ‘the prairie’. Probably no point in pointing out to dumbass that there is nothing resembling ‘the prairie’, where he is currently squatting.
makati1 on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 5:40 pm
Prairie:a wide area of flat land, covered with grass, esp. a large area in central North America that was originally covered by grass and is now mainly farming land. / a treeless grassy plain of the central US and S Canada. / A large area of flat, grassy land in North America. Prairies have very few trees.
MASTERMIND on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 5:50 pm
Madkat
After a good run of growth, China’s economy braces for bumps -The Economist
https://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21740688-trade-war-america-and-battle-against-debt-home-cloud
makati1 on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 6:14 pm
Ah, yes, “The Economist” A group of chicken guts readers that can never seem to predict when the economy is going to collapse, but they pretend that they know and keep feeding the suckers bullshit for their paycheck. For instance: Alan Greenspan net worth around $10 Million. Most of which is from selling books and making speeches to the suckers. Why isn’t it $10 Billion or more? He was supposed to be a genius and know everything about economics.
Question: If economists are so intelligent and knowing, why are they not ALL in the list of billionaires or even trillionaires? After all, they say they know what is going to happen and why. Same for ‘financial advisors’. Charlatans all!
You fail to see that the Us is already bankrupt and when it can no longer sell Us Bonds(debt) for petrodollars, the house of cards called the ‘Us economy’ will come crashing down. China holds that power, but you are blind to it. Suck up some more of that Us propaganda. I’m waiting for the day it happens with a bottle of champagne waiting on the pantry shelf.
Davy on Fri, 20th Apr 2018 8:10 pm
“China’s Monetary Shell Game”
https://tinyurl.com/yadypug4
At root, I continue to believe, is CNY. Beginning early last year, there was a clear choice made to prioritize the currency over every other consideration. Unlike the media, Chinese officials very early on realized the overriding factor in everything (globally) – the “dollar.” Thus, they knew CNY DOWN = BAD.
“Among them, no more “selling UST’s” as the most visible sign of distress (if possible). Instead, the currency is to be given the rock-solid treatment, which given CNY’s history means continuing its “dollar” backing. De-dollarization is, at this juncture, being judged as too risky of a proposition.”
“I believe that’s the theory, anyway. It’s a further lesson in how to continue to loosen RMB while making the rest of the world think you’re doing something else (at worst neutral). China has a sustained money problem it cannot by definition fix. Next best thing? Hide it. Why? There is no recovery coming.”