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A Look Inside The Chat Room The Deep State Uses To Fight Trump

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The possible existence of a subversive American “deep state” has captivated the attention of political observers and supporters of President Trump for months, and for the first time, evidence has allegedly surfaced that casts a light on the shadowy operations of a group many claim is working to bring down the Presidency.

This information comes as President Trump is battling his worst week in Washington so far.  In the past seven days, a constant stream of leaks and unsourced stories have sent the Trump White House into a tail-spin, and calls for his impeachment have grown.

On Wednesday night, just hours after the Dept. of Justice appointed a Special Prosecutor to handle the Trump/Russia probe, a series of screenshots began spreading around the Dark Web, a colloquial term for the portion of the Internet that is unlisted in search engines and requires special encrypted software to access. The Dark Web is known as the “Internet home” to those who wish to communicate anonymously and hacker groups like Anonymous.

An unidentified user going by “FreshCamel” posted on several Dark Web message boards Wednesday evening asking other users to help him make sense of communications he had intercepted on a messaging platform called Gliph, a secure messaging service that uses end-to-end encryption to prevent communications from being tracked back to those who sent them.

This individual did not provide much context regarding the source of these communications, but American users quickly put the pieces together.

On initial inspection, the screenshots, which are printed in their entirety below, appear to be taken from a short, highly-coded conversation held between approximately 5 individuals in the United States intelligence community on Wednesday, May 17th from 2:31 pm to 3:15 pm.

 

Third Estate Newsgroup’s Contributing Editor Micah Bull made contact with “FreshCamel” late Wednesday night via an encrypted email service, and this individual confirmed that he had accessed the personal computer of an employee at the FBI sometime around April 24th.  This access had been obtained through a falsified “phishing” email that installed spyware on this employee’s computer when opened.  “FreshCamel” declined to identify this individual for the time being, but confirmed that he or she is a higher-level employee in the Bureau.

According to “FreshCamel,” this individual’s computer is used to join a secured chat channel on Gliph approximately four times per week for exactly 45 minutes each session.  Activity has increased in recent days, “FreshCamel” confirmed.  For weeks, “FreshCamel” casually monitored these chats without realizing what they were, but when a topic of discussion in Wednesday’s chat became a major news story in the United States just hours after the chat was closed, he decided to seek help.

 

The screenshots from Wednesday’s chat are printed below:

These screenshots show a 45 minute chat on the afternoon of Wednesday, May 17. From 2:31 pm to 3:15 pm, 5 separate users sent a total of 20 messages.  “FreshCamel” confirmed that there were a total of 13 users “present” in the chat room, but the users known as “Severus,” “Roger,” “Huck,” “Juules,” and “Dooku” are those who consistently speak the most in these daily chats.

The chat begins with mention of “RR” and Mueller, hours before Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced that former FBI Director Robert Mueller would be named as the Special Prosecutor handling the probe into the Trump campaign’s communications with Russia.  The users admit that the news will “blindside” the White House.

Then, the topic of conversation turns to an individual referred to as “MF” and whether or not these users should work to “put [him] back in the news.”  They eventually agree that an individual known as “S” will work to draft a “memo” somehow connecting “MF” to Turkey and the user known as “Huck” will use a secured connection with their “friends in New York.”

On Thursday, a major story broke that former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn had accepted money from the Turkish government and then intervened on their behalf in U.S. military operations.  Flynn and Trump associates have denied these reports, but Flynn remains the subject of an ongoing FBI investigation.  The allusion to a “memo” also comes after news broke that former FBI Director James Comey wrote in a memo that President Trump directly asked him to end the investigation into Flynn.

The chat goes on to cover several other topics: including a “project” involving an individual who this groups refers to as “Limey,” a term for a British citizen.  In recent months, a former British Member of Parliament named Louise Mensch has captivated the Internet with reports and leaks that are often proven as false or dubiously-sourced.  Mensch’s reports often suggest that the FBI and “deep state” are close to indicting and arresting Flynn and several other Trump associates for espionage.

Third Estate Newsgroup suspects, but cannot confirm, that this mention of “Limey” refers to Mensch, and if true, would suggest that Mensch’s “sources” might be members of the intelligence community, but could be feeding her false information to support their own leaking and disinformation operations.

Third Estate Newsgroup is working to confirm the identify of the “tape” that these individuals delivered to someone referred to as “AEWP,” but has not had any success so far.

The conversation ends when the individual known as “Juules” comments that the media will have their hands full because “RM is happening tonight,” seemingly referring to the announced appointment of Robert Mueller just hours after this specific chat was closed.

“FreshCamel” told Third Estate Newsgroup that the conversations held by this group were often coded, and because he didn’t pay close attention to American politics, he didn’t realize that these individuals were discussing anything more than normal work responsibilities.  Due to the nature of the messaging platform, he could not screenshot conversations after they had occurred, but confirmed that “MF” (Michael Flynn) and “Limey” (Louise Mensch) had been topics of conversation before.

“FreshCamel” is not currently aware of the identities or affiliations of the other members in the group, but suggested that they are all members of intelligence organizations.  Third Estate Newsgroup has independently reviewed and verified these screenshots and other information provided by “FreshCamel.”

These screenshots might just be the first “proof” for Trump supporters who have decried the existence of a subversive “deep state” working to bring down Trump’s presidency for months.  Somehow, the individuals present in this chat were aware of both the timing and identity of the Special Prosecutor before he was announced, and seemed to provide the information used in the stories about Flynn that surfaced on Thursday.

The references to other groups within this chat, such as “the company group” and the “grapevine”, suggest that this group is just one of many groups within the intelligence community that are conversing secretly about topics and operations related to the investigation into Donald Trump.

Third Estate Newsgroup remains in contact with “FreshCamel,” and will work to bring you more as we discover it.

Third Estate



112 Comments on "A Look Inside The Chat Room The Deep State Uses To Fight Trump"

  1. bobinget on Wed, 24th May 2017 9:20 am 

    We should be shocked, shocked, to hear there’s organized opposition to President Trump.

    Let’s hear more from New York and Virginia concerning the President’s money laundering, selling US residencies to Known Russian crime bosses by inflating already inflated prices for Trump Tower apartments.

  2. You Don't Want to Know Me on Wed, 24th May 2017 9:45 am 

    “We should be shocked, shocked, to hear there’s organized opposition to President Trump.”

    LOL – actually we’d be shocked to find out that there isn’t.

  3. eugene on Wed, 24th May 2017 9:53 am 

    There is a “shadow” to bring down government as we know it. Trump is just the very tip of the ice berg. The “shadow” wants all financial regulations gone, all environmental regulations gone, all social support systems gone, public education gone and, in essence, a totally free rein for financial powers to do as they please. We may get rid of Trump but the people behind him will remain. Ad for Trump, he is a bastard of the first level. Borderline criminal activity his entire life, blatant abuse of money power, constant manipulation of everyone and the list is long. But what the hell, it’s America what can one expect.

    My wife and I live on Social Security and over the past yrs, I have watched Social Security become welfare and the economic problem of the country. I, rarely, see attacks on an out of control military/health care system.

  4. onlooker on Wed, 24th May 2017 10:02 am 

    I have to reiterate what Anonymouse has said. The President is just a figurehead neutered be checks and balances but even more so by financial overlords. Lets show some discernment here and not be like so many naive around the world , to think a change of leader or party will really change anything. If that were the case Mexico would be a much more people friendly place now

  5. bobinget on Wed, 24th May 2017 10:28 am 

    Another interception from another State;

    Diplomatic breakdown in Gulf

    I’m not exactly sure what is going on yet, but there has been a sudden and furious exchange of diplomatic attacks back and forth between the UAE and Qatar. Something about the UAE charging Qatar with being pro-Iran. A few hours later, Saudi Arabia entered the fray by cryptically labelling (FINALLY!) the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization (who happen to be protected in Qatar). And in the last hour, we are hearing that Qatar has recalled its ambassadors from the UAE, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kuwait. The UAE then banned Al Jazeerah (Qatar’s propaganda channel). And in the last few minutes, Qatar claims its government website has been hacked.

    So how do we make sense of this? Not long ago someone asked me what the difference is between the UAE, Qatar and Saudi regarding terrorism. I broke it down simply thus: The UAE does not, and has never supported extremist groups. It hosted unofficial Taliban-US talks in the past, but in a neutral and lawful manner. Saudi Arabia has supported, both directly and covertly, certain militant groups and operations in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon to counter what they saw as threatening Shiite projection of power. Qatar is flat out pro-ISIS, Muslim brotherhood and other ghastly groups like Al Nusra.

    It seems that the Saudi’s are taking seriously their pledge to the US administration to fight extremism. My guess is that the US government assured them that Iranian influence in Syria will be tackled once ISIS collapses there. So Saudi Arabia can take a step back, breathe a sigh of relief and focus on only one losing war (Yemen) instead of two. So why the instigation by the UAE? A few posts ago, I mentioned that Sheikh Mohammad bin Zayed, the defacto ruler of the UAE is as pro-American as a foreign ally can get. He will do whatever he can to promote US interests in the region. Don’t forget that he was in the white house just recently and spent time with Trump two days ago behind closed doors.

    The interesting thing is that we can draw parallels with what is happening in Libya. General Haftar is receiving support from the UAE and Egypt (which itself receives financial support from the UAE), while Qatar is supporting the Islamic rebels at the other end.

    I draw the following from these developments:

    1. As I predicted last week, states in the region are starting to look at the post-ISIS span of Northern Iraq and most of Syria and they are starting to act accordingly. The vacuum in this region is going to create serious nation to nation friction. There is a lot to gain/lose for Turkey, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the USA, Europe and Qatar primarily, and to a lesser degree, every other nation in the region.

    2. Trump has clearly shifted the balance in the region, and to a great extent. He has empowered Saudi Arabia whereby it was previously handicapped by the Obama administration. He has seemingly drawn a line in the sand for Iran, although we aren’t yet sure where that line has been drawn exactly. There is more of an equilibrium now. If sense prevails, it means that Russia sells Iran more weapons and the US/Europe sell Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and the UAE more arms as well and the standoff continues. However, the US may make the mistake of getting too involved in Syria in order to tip the balance in Saudi’s favour. There are indications they are trying to do just that at the Syrian Iraqi border (in order to close off any more logistical support for Bashar from Iran).

    3. Given the developments in the Gulf, we could see an escalation in violence in Libya as a proxy battle. I’d be looking out for headlines indicating General Haftar is receiving new equipment or financial support from the UAE or maybe even Saudi.

    4. I don’t expect the OPEC agreement to be affected at all. Qatar may be infuriated by its neighbours right now, but it is a tiny nation with little oil production and it values its reputation as a centre for dialogue. It would look stupid throwing a tantrum as an OPEC member because of diplomatic and military issues.
    VIA

  6. Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 5:21 pm 

    ISIS flag now waving over Marawi in the Philipines:

    http://www.rappler.com/nation/170729-marawi-city-black-flag-maute

    President Duterte breaks off his visit to Russia.

  7. onlooker on Wed, 24th May 2017 5:28 pm 

    Looks like the US now says go sic em boy to ISIS wherever imperial designs are being thwarted

  8. makati1 on Wed, 24th May 2017 6:18 pm 

    onlooker, just wait until the first one flys in the U$. It’s coming. Be patient.

  9. Davy on Wed, 24th May 2017 6:34 pm 

    Looks like someone’s fiction is dissolving into reality. Just yesterday I was assured Duterte had it all under control.

  10. onlooker on Wed, 24th May 2017 6:44 pm 

    http://www.resilience.org/stories/2017-05-22/a-house-on-shaky-ground-eight-structural-flaws-of-the-western-worldview/
    A House on Shaky Ground: Eight Structural Flaws of the Western Worldview

  11. Anonymouse on Wed, 24th May 2017 6:49 pm 

    The uSlamic state, only puts in an appearance, like onlookers says, whenever it is deemed necessary (I think most of know who does the deeming).

    Certain regions and areas of the earth, are basically off-limits to the uSlamic state, such as.

    The united snakes itself (could change, but not likely). This does not exempt various
    sinister ‘plots’ and plans, supposedly being continuously hatched by the USlamic state in the uS, but the homeland will never see any real USlamic state actively on the ground.

    -Isreal (duh)

    -Saudi Arabia+GCC countries

    -uS or core uS allied oil facilities, no matter where they happen to be physically located.

    Not surprising that clog-fraud, our very own in-house deep shill for the Amero-Z empire, would be ‘surprised’ the uSlamic state might show up in the Philippines. The leader there, not exactly uS or uS military base friendly now is he? The only real ‘surprise’ here is, that they didn’t show up force sooner. Could be the recent of string of defeats on the Syrian front delaying their appearance.

    Remember, we’ve always been at war with EastAsia.

  12. makati1 on Wed, 24th May 2017 6:55 pm 

    Davy, reality is foreign to you. The current events in Mindanao are not new. Just more of the same. I was aware of the problem before I moved here. And it is under control. The military is moving in to control the situation.

    Are you worried about the events in Chicago? You should be. They are far more of a threat to you than anything in Mindanao is to me. And a lot closer. The U$ is devolving into a chaos that you will not be able to avoid.

  13. makati1 on Wed, 24th May 2017 7:04 pm 

    BTW: “most experts estimate that the number of Americans that are dependent on the federal government month after month is well over 100 million. And now that so many people are addicted to government handouts, can we ever return to a culture of independence and self-sufficiency?”

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/handout-nation-combined-enrollment-in-americas-4-largest-safety-net-programs-hits-a-record-high-of-236-million

    1/3 of the U$ population feeding at the government trough. As many as the total population of the Philippines. What happens when the money ends, as it must and will? Anarchy! Chaos! Collapse! When? Soon!

    Buckle Up!

  14. Davy on Wed, 24th May 2017 7:06 pm 

    Makati, I am well aware of what is going on there. I have followed it for years now. You do realize our troops were advising there for a time. What is new is a town has fallen that should not have fallen. Why should I worry about Chicago? Chicago is just fine except for a few city blocks in a culture of violence. That is not new makati. What is also not new is your fiction dissolving into reality.

  15. Davy on Wed, 24th May 2017 7:10 pm 

    So what makati. At least the US has plenty of food to feed all its people and your people there in the P’s. The rich get there hog slop too. This is the nature of the modern world. Government subsidies are everywhere. You act like these people are destitute. I know many people around here on government support. They are fine and most could make it fine without it. You are just doing more of your sensationalism makati.

  16. makati1 on Wed, 24th May 2017 7:31 pm 

    “Makati, I am well aware of what is going on there.”

    No, you are only aware of what the U$ MSM says is going on here. Unless you live here and/or read the local newspapers, you still have only the U$ propaganda version. That is ALL Americans have of the world unless they travel to the locations personally. It is no more dangerous here than in the U$. Less so. But you will never accept that fact. Duterte has decades of experience handling this problem. Can you say the same for Trump? LMAO

  17. makati1 on Wed, 24th May 2017 7:36 pm 

    “So what makati. At least the US has plenty of food to feed all its people”

    Really? When the U$ farmers can no longer get fuel for their tractors and the petrochemicals that they rely on to have crops, then what? The Ps don’t rely on oil to eat.

    Not to mention climate changes that will eventually turn the farm belt into the new dust bowl, or worse. Today is NOT a guarantee of tomorrow. The economic collapse of America is going to be a lot more painful to Americans than any changes in the economy of the Ps will be to Filipinos. Count on it.

  18. makati1 on Wed, 24th May 2017 7:40 pm 

    Anon, you got it right. ISIS is the new shock troops for the U$ Empire. But, this time they are up against a president that doesn’t mind killing a few thousand to end the problem, unlike the two U$ ass kissing presidents before him. I hope he asks the Chinese and Russians for help, if he needs it and kicks the U$ troops out of the country.

    BTW: My partner’s brother is now in Mindanao with the P’s Navy. We know what is happening there, daily.

  19. Davy on Wed, 24th May 2017 7:53 pm 

    Funny how talkative you get makati when your armor has been pierced. The p’s imports food basics. The US imports luxury foods, big difference. Makati, when you can’t win he argument you claim a US MSM angle but that just shows how lame your position is.

  20. makati1 on Wed, 24th May 2017 8:05 pm 

    Davy, it’s fun to poke sticks at your ignorance. Cheap entertainment. Your brainwashing is so complete you cannot see anything else. The only thing the U$ is good at these days, other than it’s own self destruction, is it’s huge propaganda machine. The Great Leveling is well under way and the U$ has the farthest to fall.

  21. Davy on Wed, 24th May 2017 8:33 pm 

    You would know right makati since you are into cheap entertainment as opposed to real studies. That is likely the reason for your sci-fi obsession. Maybe if you would take Issues seriously you would be able to differentiate between your emotional agendas and reality.

  22. Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 11:51 pm 

    What is the US deep state, that since Trump for the first time is very visible for large segments of the population?

    Answer that everybody tries to avoid: the Israel Lobby.

    If you look at unelected bodies like the CFR, the Fed, many NGOs, the media, Wallstreet, think tanks, the political neocon movement, with presence in both parties, donors to prominent politicians, watchdogs like ADL, SPLC, etc., etc, than you know that the US is run by the Israel Lobby and uses its enormous resources to set up a global empire at the cost of everybode else. In the twenties Henry Ford warned against it, by 1933 the lobby owned the Roosevelt government and set the US on a path of world war.

    Between 1917 and roughly 1938 the same had happened in the USSR, but Stalin gradually won the upper hand. Although the US and USSR kept using each other to crush Europe, after WW2 the US began to treat the USSR as its enemy… just like it had treated Germany, that also had managed to free itself from communist threat, read Zionist grip, after 1933.

    After 1991, the US got Russia back as a vassal, with these socalled oligarchs, until one of them, Berezovski, thought it was a good idea to nominate Putin as president, in the expectation that he would do the bidding of the kosher oligarchs. He didn’t, he threw them in jail or kicked them out of the country.lol Berezovsky later committed suicide.rofl Most went to Britain, the US or Israel.

    Now Britain and the US are the last bastions of J-power. And then there came a US Putin wannabee, Trump. He is now under constant attack from the lobby (deep state) and the left, like most on this forum.

    The good news for the rest of the world is that many of the imperialists, like Brzezinski, understand that the US global empire is not going to happen. Russia and China perfectly understand the state of affairs in the US and have organized their defenses.

    Meanwhile the US is destroying itself through mass immigration from the third world since 1965. Under 5 year old, whites are already a minority. The US tries to adhere to first world standards but can’t. It is a matter of time before the country will fall apart, due to whites seeking to escape from the third world nightmare.

    We in Europe must prepare for that event by teaming up with Russia, setting up an EU army and intervene when the US will sink into chaos, perhaps from the moment that Trump leaves office.

  23. makati1 on Thu, 25th May 2017 1:15 am 

    Davy, I have done “real studies” for most of my 72 years. You can study your ass off but reality is the best teacher. I am more serious about reality than you can ever be. IF you are lucky enough to make it to 70, you might understand, but I doubt the Empire is going to allow you to get that old.

    I didn’t have a 1%er family to ease my way. I worked from age 14 for what I needed and have. I learned my skills by sweat and experience. Books are for reference, not learning. I can build a house from the ground up, and did, all utilities installed. I can grow most fruits and veggies and raise chickens, rabbits and breed fish. I fathered and raised two beautiful, intelligent, independent daughters and provided for them for 28 years. I can repair cars and replace most parts, and did. My long list of skills makes me self-sufficient and secure, ANYWHERE in the world.

    YOU are the emotional snowflake. Not me. Wave that ‘patriotic’, corporate owned flag, covered in the blood of children and babies, if it makes you feel secure.

  24. makati1 on Thu, 25th May 2017 1:29 am 

    In other news: Dateline – Missouri
    “Another Insurer Quits Obamacare Leaving 25 Counties In Missouri With No Healthcare Options”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-24/another-insurer-quits-obamacare-leaving-25-counties-missouri-no-healthcare-options

    It appears that healthcare is abandoning the Ozarks.

  25. Cloggie on Thu, 25th May 2017 2:34 am 

    Which countries have the best healthcare?

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-05-countries-healthcare.html

    1. Switzerland
    2. Iceland
    3. Sweden
    4. Norway
    6. Australia
    7. Finland
    8. Spain
    9. Netherlands
    10. Luxembourg
    11. Japan
    15. France

    30. UK
    35. USA

    18 out of 20 of the top 20 are Western European, where virtually every nation boasts some form of universal health coverage.

    Yet if you look at medical care expenditure per capita, the US is on top by far:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

    1. USA $9451
    5. Netherlands $5343
    7. Sweden $5228

    That’s what you get if you let mass-migration happen without resistance. Good luck with pious “anti-racism”, destroying the future of your own children.

    The site medicalxpress is part of phys.org, that has an Anglo staff of 16:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phys.org

    The study comes from the UK magazine The Lancet.

    So no “European supremacists” patting themselves on the back.lol

  26. Cloggie on Thu, 25th May 2017 3:10 am 

    Here a micro-event that perfectly describes the situation in kosher colony USA. Currently the #1 white separatist in the US is Richard Spencer. He happened to be member of the same fitness club as a female Jewish professor Christine Fair, well until last week that was.

    Fair is hard-core deep state: RAND, UN, “United States Institute of Peace.” She is pro drone strikes in Pakistan. Hard-core US empire. Typical leftist SJW.

    The micro event: she spotted Richard Spencer, approached him and began a scene: “Nazi, Nazi!”. The result? The lame owner of the fitness club suspended Spencer’s membership. This micro event perfectly illustrates who owns America… and it ain’t the whites. These cucks don’t deserve a country of their own.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/22/white-nationalist-asked-black-staff-member-help-row-gym/

    https://altright.com/2017/05/23/georgetown-university-professor-personifies-the-jq/

    Over the past 2000 years Europeans have acted numerous times:

    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

    If you don’t do that, you lose your country. If Americans fail to act likewise, they will end up in exactly the same place as the Russians: in the Gulag, where this time the guards will be no longer necessarily white. Take your pick America. Your time is running out fast. Donald Trump was the last belch of European America within the old political system. After Trump, demographics will have further deteriorated to the disadvantage of the whites and voting yourself out of your predicament will be for ever impossible. It is either an uprising and separatism or a Soviet-style tyranny on “your” soil. And without a serious uprising, Europe and Russia can’t come to your aid and help break-up the country in a Mexican West, a white heartland (James Howard Kunstler’s “where Dolly Parton meets Hitler”) and a communist mixed-race East (“New Israel”, “Trans-Appalachia”).

    If this uprising fails to materialize we will get roughly the world map of George Orwell from 1984:

    http://tinyurl.com/l4px4wp

    A world divided in four blocks: Christian State (Eurosiberia), Islamic State (yellow), Confucian state (China) and Judaic state (Anglosphere).

  27. Anonymouse on Thu, 25th May 2017 4:49 am 

    Ummm, clog-fraud, the uS spending so much per capita on ‘health care’ has virtually nothing to do with its open-door immigration policy, and almost everything to do with uS wealth-care insurance corporations padding expenses, and then siphoning off the proceeds to distribute to their share-holders and executives. Immigrants, who on balance are likely far healthier than amerikas fat, medicated, HFCS fed, home-grown retards, cant be blamed for that little fabrication of yours. There are plenty of actual problems un-restricted immigration creates. Try to find some of them to talk about, as opposed to just making ones up as you go along.

    I know, you and reality dont get along that well clogged-fraud, but still….

  28. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 5:27 am 

    Makati all you are is a braggart and want to lift your self-esteem by bashing others. You know nothing about my early years. Until my father succeeded in becoming a business leader I did not have much. By that time he was affluent I was already in college and on my own. We lived middle class. I started washing dishes at 15 so I could buy a stereo. Do you remember Pioneer HPM100’s with Black Sabbath? I needed money to buy pot, beer and save for a car. My parents took care of me but they made sure I worked. I eventually climbed the ladder like my dad and became affluent. I learned much in this process then I left it and now live very different from my family.

    You are not impressing me by telling me how great you are and how bad I am. This is your standard MO. All you are doing is showing me what you really are and that is a pissed-off old man that is an asshole to others because of either clinical narcissism or very poor inner self-esteem. If I am an asshole to you it is because that is all you have done to me for 5 years now

  29. Cloggie on Thu, 25th May 2017 5:31 am 

    Anony-punk, mass immigration leads to the slow death of any society and lowering of social cohesion, trust and solidarity levels, leading to a general rip-off society, where everybody tries to make as much money of each other as possible. All thanks to mass-migration, all by design of what you correctly describe as the “jew-knighted-states”.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf

  30. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 5:33 am 

    Makati, we are 3rd world and 1st world here in the Ozarks. Our health care is wonderful but not for all. So your cherry picking facts does not explain the brand new hospitals here in my area.
    http://www.pcrmc.com/
    https://www.mercy.net/rollamo

    If you are poor you go to the clinics and or get Medicare help because they have to treat you. It is unfair but that is what we have. Most people have good healthcare a percentage don’t.

  31. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 5:39 am 

    Clog we have better health care than you I imagine just not for all. We are a health care magnet in the world because of all that extra money that is in our health care system. This leaves many poor and unfortunate left out. We are a different way of life. I would also say your lists only proves a point at the surface. If you dig deeper Europe indirectly has much more cost through subsidies that do not appear in your embellished doctored listings. Lists for me are always suspect generalizations. Extremist and those with agendas always have a list to post. Yes we are having issues with health care inflation and it points to corruption of the original intent of medicine but don’t think you are much better and not heading in the same direction.

  32. Theedrich on Thu, 25th May 2017 5:48 am 

    FBI Assoc. Dir MARK FELT was “Deep Throat,” the “Deep State” felon who betrayed Nixon and his own solemn oath.  The WaPo’s Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein loved him and kept his identity secret for over three decades.  Woodward and Bernstein should long ago have been incarcerated as traitors, but the Deep State has let them roam free to cause more damage to the U.S.

    Given the FBI’s long-concealed  — and likely continuing — role in this kind of betrayal, it is clear that James Comey should have been fired the first day Trump was inaugurated.  It is difficult to understand why the current administration is not only not uncovering and prosecuting the host of leakers left over from the Negro, but even retaining them in office.  There seems to be a much greater force preventing the wholesale housecleaning that should have been done months ago.  One wonders which Repubs are being paid off to side with the Demonic Party in all this.  The snake pit is much deeper than anyone has realized.

  33. Cloggie on Thu, 25th May 2017 5:49 am 

    Clog we have better health care than you I imagine just not for all. We are a health care magnet in the world because of all that extra money that is in our health care system.

    I understand that. But how stable will your society be in the (not so) long run? You just imported the revolutionaries that will go at your throat or that of your children at the latest and demand “equality”.

    Furthermore, despite all this “high quality health care”, your life expectancy, a very serious non-agenda driven parameter, isn’t stellar to say the least:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    US #31, again way behind Europe, with white Americans the only group on earth with declining life expectancy (no doubt for psychological reasons & despair with their society, the same despair you can detect on this forum).

    This ranking has probably little to do with race, since health care is usually mostly required by old folks and they are in the US still in massive majority.

  34. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 6:07 am 

    “Furthermore, despite all this “high quality health care”, your life expectancy, a very serious non-agenda driven parameter, isn’t stellar to say the least:”

    Clog like our healthcare we have a 2 class society. Those who are educated and have a middle class or above life live as long as you Europeans. You are again generalizing for effect instead of digging deeper. We are a 1st world and 3rd world country. I am living among the 3rd world in the Ozarks of Missouri. There are poor uneducated people around here who are dying younger. You might think they are unhappy but they are in many cases happy people who like how they live and would not want to live how you do. It has always been like this around here. They have a culture they are proud of. They are poor but proud. My grandparents lived to their late eighties except one grandmother who was a heavy smoker. Our US way of life is killing us sooner in many cases. People that don’t eat properly and don’t exercise are dying younger in all classes. We also have shiny people who eat right and exercise. They get great health care and live longer. You can’t compare nations with lists unless you dig deeper.

  35. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 6:14 am 

    More proxy waring ahead?
    “Will Venezuela Be The Battleground In The Next U.S.-Russia Proxy War?”
    http://tinyurl.com/lvtj5rr

  36. Cloggie on Thu, 25th May 2017 7:14 am 

    RT is eager to report that:

    The Chinese Navy has warned a US warship to leave, as it sailed within 12 nautical miles of the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea “without permission.” Beijing says that the latest US move disrupts the peace process in the region.

    https://www.rt.com/news/389663-china-us-warship-warning/

    I was not aware that they had a “peace process” going on in the South China Sea.lol

    Seriously, many have predicted that this SCS issue could evolve in an exercise in locking horns. The US navy wants to control the SCS, China doesn’t like the US military too close to its shores and for that purpose created some artificial island and expand its sovereignty area.

    Well, these two will keep themselves busy alright and lock horns until somebody bows.

  37. makati1 on Thu, 25th May 2017 7:25 am 

    Davy, ALL of America is now 3rd world. There is no 1st world, only the nobles and the serfs and guess which you are. Hint: not a noble. lol

  38. makati1 on Thu, 25th May 2017 7:32 am 

    BTW Davy: You might want to come here for your serious med problems. Two blocks from my condo.

    http://www.makatimed.net.ph/

    Costs will be a fraction of those in the U$, with equal or better care. $50/day for a room. $15 per specialist doctors visit. Hire a private nurse for $50 per day. Etc. Not that I have need of them.

    For what I spent on one tooth crown in the US, I can get 10 here and they are better than the one I paid for there 10 years ago.

    Brag all you want. I’ll continue to point out the errors in your claims of American ‘exceptionalism’.

  39. makati1 on Thu, 25th May 2017 7:42 am 

    Or maybe this one? St. Luke’s Medical Center?

    “Ranked 8th in the world for medical tourism in 2015 by the International Healthcare Research Center and Medical Tourism Association, international patients recognize the Philippines as the premier medical destination due to its proven track record in health care, highly-skilled and English-speaking physicians and medical staff, convenience and affordability.”

    http://www.stluke.com.ph/for-the-medical-traveler.html

    St. Luke’s expert doctors are highly-skilled and experienced in their various specializations. Our physicians and medical staff have received international training on the latest medical procedures and equipment to ensure top-notch patient care and patient safety. Some of the healthcare services we offer include:

    Cardiac Diagnostic and Therapeutic Procedures
    Latest Cancer Treatment Options
    Orthopedics
    Infertility Treatments
    Cosmetic Surgery
    Dental Treatment
    General Surgery
    Organ Transplants
    Rehabilitation and Geriatric
    Bariatric Surgery
    Pediatrics
    Second Opinion Consults

    Healthcare services at St. Luke’s Medical Center in the Philippines are priced competitively as compared to other countries like the United States of America, Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore and South Korea.”

  40. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 7:43 am 

    Makati, you are such an exaggerator that you even believe what you say. This is a continental sized country with 330MIL. I think there is a variety of things going on. My state has 6MIL people and a little more than half as big with a similar GDP and you want to call the whole US 3rd world. So your comparisons are way the hell off and show that you have other emotional issues going on with your extreme versions of reality. The US is among the highest in the 1st world on many levels and we also have a 3rd world component. You are just too pissed off to acknowledge that. For you this is about a discrediting the US any chance you get. You are a warp personality and a lonely old man with little future because you left your family. Now you are all alone in your twilight living on a small social security stipend and that is really sad.

  41. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 7:47 am 

    “The US navy wants to control the SCS”

    Not true Clog. The US wants to be a primary power there but it does not claim any territory and leaves when not wanted like with the Philippines. China is there to claim territory and restrict freedom of movement to what it considers its territory. These reefs China took are disputed and should not be considered sovereign territory until an agreement is reached between relevant parties. The US has a right to be in this area. China has a right to a place as a primary power in the area. Neither has the right to control this area.

  42. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 7:55 am 

    Makati are you on the board of the Philippines chamber of commerce or are you trying to talk up your decision to move there? Maybe you have that remorse buyers get when they make a poor purchase. The P’s are insignificant in the world today at the level you comment on the country here on this board. It appears you are trying too hard to prove something for emotional reasons.

  43. makati1 on Thu, 25th May 2017 7:57 am 

    Davy, size has nothing to do with it. Quality has. The U$ is dying. The Ps is young and growing. Ignoring the facts I post only increases the fact that you cannot refute them with real facts, just U$ MSM propaganda.

    You always revert to “emotional issues” being a problem of mine. Better buy a mirror and look into it. You have issues only a trained psychiatrist has names for.

    Writing bloviating long comments trying to prove you are intelligent is a waste. You say little with a lot of fancy words. Do you get paid by the number of words you can fit into a comment? I don’t bother to read any comment that takes half my screen. I know they are bullshit, for the most part and mot worth reading.

    You live in a country where 1/3 of it’s citizens rely on the government for their incomes and survival. Not a good brag. 40 million need food stamps to eat. Wages are at 1980 levels. Real unemployment is at 20% plus. The life expectancy is going DOWN. The infrastructure is crumbling. Debt is about ready to kill off the economy forever. War is the only out, and this time it will come to American shores taking millions of American lives.

    Why would I want to live there? I have built a new life here, and it suits me just fine. Not lonely or any of the other negatives you seem to think I have. In fact, I am happier now than anytime in the last 20 years. And, I am free. You have no idea what that is, or ever will.

    Buckle Up! America is just beginning its ride to the bottom.

  44. makati1 on Thu, 25th May 2017 8:00 am 

    “Not true Clog. The US wants to be a primary power there but it does not claim any territory and leaves when not wanted like with the Philippines. China is there to claim territory and restrict freedom of movement to what it considers its territory. These reefs China took are disputed and should not be considered sovereign territory until an agreement is reached between relevant parties. The US has a right to be in this area. China has a right to a place as a primary power in the area. Neither has the right to control this area”

    PURE U$ propaganda echo. Sounds like an article in the WaPo or NYT. LOL

  45. Apneaman on Thu, 25th May 2017 8:25 am 

    Deep state, he said-she said. What could possibly be more important than that soap opera?

    Oceanographer: “The impact of ocean deoxygenation may be profound…” Ocean Oxygen Decline Greater Than Predicted

    Oldspeak: “From the department of Faster Than Expected, we find that one of the least studied of the ocean’s “deadly trio“, deoxygenation, is occuing 3 times faster than predicted. One of the “profound effects” scientists have observed is likely the continued collapse of the marine food chain resulting from the decline of its basis and producer of 70% of the oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere, plankton. As Trump sucks up all the air in the room, the air gets more scarce worldwide. Couple this with recent reports that Global warming could breach 1.5c in less than ten years and what you have is a world of shit, friends. And we’re alllll gonna have to take a bite. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick….” -OSJ

    https://theoldspeakjournal.wordpress.com/2017/05/24/oceanographer-the-impact-of-ocean-deoxygenation-may-be-profound-ocean-oxygen-decline-greater-than-predicted/

  46. Cloggie on Thu, 25th May 2017 8:34 am 

    Not true Clog. The US wants to be a primary power there but it does not claim any territory and leaves when not wanted like with the Philippines. China is there to claim territory and restrict freedom of movement to what it considers its territory.

    Davy, putting a navy vessel is equal to controlling the location. There is no other definition. Or “projecting power” as you prefer to call it.

    China does indeed claim the area on the pretext of these new artificial islands. A claim rejected by a western organized court. Not that I care about US or Chinese domination of the SCS.

    But there is absolutely no reason that China intends to block commercial shipping, it would only shoot itself in the foot with such a move, not going to happen.

    But far more interesting is the potential for a large conflict; I understand very well the concern of Aussie senior politician Malcolm Fraser that the conflict could escalate to the tune that Australia could lose its sovereignty and become a Chinese province, if in case of war, US ally Australia is being implicated in the conflict by serving as a launching pad for US attacks against China. Empty Australia, now that’s a war booty!

    What we see happening here is that the US and China are beginning to zero in on each other for the position of global top dog.

    Expect soothing words of moderation and blankets from Europe and Russia, with both political entities in the position of the US and USSR resp. in the thirties, smilingly seeing the WW1 conflict, namely who is the strongest state in Europe, flaring up again. It is always good (in the eyes of cynical politicians) if geopolitical competitors go at each others throat and give each other a hair cut.

  47. makati1 on Thu, 25th May 2017 8:56 am 

    Cloggie, I see the U$ bluster in the SCS as just that. It cannot hurt China without committing suicide. Maybe 10-15 years ago, it had military superiority, but not now. China controls S.E.Asia and the ASEAN countries know it. Accommodation of the dragon, not a war they could not win.

    And as for financial/economic advantage. Well, the U$ sent it’s factories to Asia and crippled its own ability to be independent. It has had a huge trade deficit since then and made China wealthy. It still sends about $1B per day to China’s coffers, allowing China to buy up what the Empire covets all over the world. Buy, not take.

    China does not have to displace the USD, only weaken it enough to bring down the U$ economy. So many ways China holds the Imperial eagle’s balls in its dragon’s grasp. LOL

  48. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 9:10 am 

    Makati, say something new because all you did above is the same song and dance that is clearly a failure of thinking. You cut me down and talk yourself up. What’s new with that? Same old shit another day is all. You throw out some massaged lame and personally contrived numbers that mean little in the bigger picture. You are in your twilight years and it shows.

  49. Davy on Thu, 25th May 2017 9:15 am 

    Clog, last I looked there are norms of freedom of navigation and what is considered international waters. Putting a ship in these places is normal. The rest of your comment is conjecture and opinions on the geopolitical landscape. This is hardly fact. Your agenda is well know because it is broadcast pretty heavily. You want to see the US decline, China to rise as an offset and all this allowing a resurgent Europe to go back to governing its destiny which is marginal now. Both you and makati have this anti-American agenda and this SCS issue is just another place for it to be broadcast.

  50. Sissyfuss on Thu, 25th May 2017 10:03 am 

    App, in the movie SOYLENT GREEN the oceans were dying and the night time temps in New York were in the 90s. And the GMO govt supplied biscuits had a funny aftertaste.

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