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Hurricane Harvey closes key oil and gas facilities in Texas
Key oil and gas facilities along the Texas Gulf Coast have temporarily shut down as Hurricane Harvey pounds the region with torrential rain and high winds, virtually assuring gasoline prices will rise in the storm’s aftermath.
Even before the Harvey made landfall late Friday, dozens of oil and gas platforms had been evacuated, at least three refineries had closed and at least two petrochemical plants had suspended operations.
How soon they reopen depends on the severity of flooding and the resumption of power to the areas. Experts say it’s still too early to say, with the storm still moving through the region. But they believe gas prices will increase 5 cents, to 25 cents per gallon.
Hurricane Harvey also continued to take a toll on U.S. air travel Saturday, with more than 960 flight cancellations as of mid-day, according to FlightAware. Nearly 800 of the cancelled flights were scheduled to either depart from or land at Houston’s two airports.
The shipping industry also is expected to be disrupted by the worst hurricane to hit the refinery-rich Texas coast in more than 50 years.
Here’s how Harvey is likely to affect business and pocketbooks:
— REFINERIES: Nearly one-third of the nation’s refining capacity sits in low-lying areas along the coast from Corpus Christi, Texas, to Lake Charles, Louisiana.
Several refineries at greatest risk of suffering a direct strike from high winds have already shut down, but it is the potential for flooding in the Houston and Beaumont, Texas, areas that could really pinch gasoline supplies.
Flooding and power outages caused by a storm surge are considered the biggest risk.
“The biggest driver of how much this will increase gas prices is how much rain falls in Houston during the next three days,” Andy Lipow, president of consultant Lipow Oil Associates, said Saturday. “We are in a wait-and-watch mode.”
For now, Lipow is predicting gasoline prices will rise 10 cents per gallon east of the Rockies.
Tom Kloza, an analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, predicts that prices could rise by up to 25 cents a gallon, but that an increase of 5 cents to 15 cents is more likely, assuming that the hurricane doesn’t cause lasting damage to refineries.
Flint Hills Resources announced that it would shutter a refinery before Harvey hit and Valero Energy Corp. said it was closing two facilities in Corpus Christi.
The prospect of supply interruptions sent gasoline futures to $1.74 a gallon, their highest level since April, before they retreated to around $1.67 by Friday afternoon.
In addition to the refinery closures, Formosa Plastics shut its petrochemical plant in Point Comfort, Texas, and OxyChem suspended operations at its petrochemical plant in Ingleside, Texas, according to Platts, an S&P Global division that tracks the commodities and energy industry.
— OIL AND GAS: Companies have been evacuating workers from oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico, and that is crimping the flow of oil and gas.
As of Friday, the U.S. Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement said workers had been removed from 86 of the 737 manned platforms used to pump oil and gas from beneath the Gulf.
The agency estimated that platforms accounting for about 22 percent of oil production and 23 percent of natural gas output in the Gulf had been shut down.
“We could see more production be taken offline in the Gulf of Mexico” if the path of the storm wanders farther east, said Jenna Delaney, an oil analyst for PIRA Energy. But, she noted, oil companies announced fewer platform shutdowns on Friday than they had on Thursday, which is an encouraging sign.
Exxon Mobil closed two of its platforms and was evacuating all personnel in the expected path of the storm, said spokeswoman Suann Guthrie. Shell halted operations on a big floating oil-production platform, and Anadarko evacuated workers and shut down four facilities in the western Gulf while continuing to operate those east of the storm’s predicted path.
On shore, ConcoPhillips stopped all operations in the Eagle Ford shale formation, which lies across a swath of South Texas inland from the Gulf. A company spokeswoman cited safety and potential disruptions in getting oil and gas from the wells to market during the storm.
— SHIPPING: Shipping terminals along the Texas coast shut down as the storm approached. Port operations in Corpus Christi and Galveston closed, and the port of Houston said container terminals and general cargo facilities were closing around midday Friday.
Rates for carrying freight between the Gulf of Mexico and the U.S. East Coast rose.
— TRAVEL: After nearly 1,200 flight cancellations Friday and Saturday, airlines already had canceled another 485 flights scheduled for Sunday, according to FlightAware.
Airlines were offering customers the chance to reschedule trips that would take them to Houston, San Antonio or Austin from Friday through the weekend.
— UTILITIES: Researchers at Texas A&M University estimated that the storm would knock out power for at least 1.25 million people in Texas. They said the hardest-hit areas will include Corpus Christi, which is on the coast, and San Antonio, which is about 140 miles inland.
— INSURANCE: A firm that does forecasts for insurance companies said wind-damage claims could top $6 billion, although it said losses in the low billions are more likely.
Risk Management Solutions Inc. said losses from storm surges and inland flooding could be a bigger source of losses. If the firm is correct, that would put homeowners and the government-backed National Flood Insurance Program at risk.
The flood program is run by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which owes the Treasury about $23 billion in funds borrowed to cover the cost of past disasters, according to a recent report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office.
Homeowner policies with insurance companies don’t typically cover flood damage, yet a relatively small percentage of homeowners have flood insurance through the federal program.
114 Comments on "Hurricane Harvey closes key oil and gas facilities in Texas"
Dredd on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 10:30 am
“We just simply don’t know yet the damage all this rain will have on Houston’s energy infrastructure,” said Andrew Lipow, president of energy consultancy Lipow Oil Associates LLC.
Texas refineries could be offline for up to a month if their storm-drainage pumps become submerged, he said.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/harvey-throws-wrench-u-energy-engine-234418137–finance.html
Kenz300 on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 11:46 am
Climate Change and rising sea levels will impact coastal areas around the world causing mass migration inland.
GregT on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 12:21 pm
“Climate Change and rising sea levels will impact coastal areas around the world causing mass migration inland.”
And the sky is blue, and the sun rises in the east, and sets in the west.
Apneaman on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 1:09 pm
Look what the denial did to grannies.
Photo shows Texas nursing home residents submerged in Harvey floodwaters
http://valleycentral.com/news/nation-world/viral-photo-leads-to-rescue-of-residents-from-submerged-texas-nursing-home
If rockman was there he would say ‘we’re not your mommy lol’
First grandma then the kids. You have reaped what you have sown denier fucks.
Shortend on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 2:14 pm
Love reading opinion web articles like this one
Opinion: How much is climate change behind the Hurricane Harvey flooding in Houston?
Posted on MarketWatch no less!
We can be confident that we’re seeing more severe tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic than we did a few decades ago. It is likely that climate change has contributed to this trend, although there is low statistical confidence associated with this statement
it is very hard to say exactly how climate change has affected Hurricane Harvey
While it’s hard to pin the blame for Hurricane Harvey directly on climate change, we can say this: human-caused climate change has enhanced some of the impacts of the storm.
Fortunately, in Harvey’s case, the storm surge hasn’t been too bad, unlike for Hurricanes Katrina and Sandy, for example.
Building levees and sea walls can alleviate some of these impacts, although these barriers will need to be higher (and therefore more expensive) in the future to keep out the rising seas.
Houston, we have a problem
There are other factors that are making this storm worse than others in terms of its impact. Houston is the second-fastest growing city in the U.S., and the fourth most populous overall
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-is-climate-change-behind-the-hurricane-harvey-flooding-in-houston-2017-08-28
Sure, the cancer growth of humans is the main cause, along with their poop.
Apneaman on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 4:55 pm
It’s a fact: climate change made Hurricane Harvey more deadly
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/28/climate-change-hurricane-harvey-more-deadly
At AGW we don’t make things, we make things worse.
Denier logic 101
1 – Grandpa died of lung cancer. Grandpa smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day for 40 years. Some people who die of lung cancer never smoke, therefore cigarettes do not cause cancer.
2 – Ok smoking can cause cancer, but if you can’t tell me which particular package of cigarettes was the one that killed grandpa then it means the science is ‘not settled’. Not only do I need to know which package it was that did granddad in, but I need to know which cigarette it was and what drag of that cigarette was the one what dun killed grand-pappy. Until I get that answer it’s not settled and y’all cancer Dr’s is being alarmists and the kids will continue to get a carton of Camel full flavor in their Christmas stockings. Ain’t none of y’all liberal cancer Dr’s gonna steal my smoking freedumb
onlooker on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 5:02 pm
How can Harvey produce such extreme rainfall even though it is no longer over the ocean?
The answer to this is fascinating. Normally a hurricane pulls moisture up from the ocean and releases it as rain all around the storm’s area, particularly in the northeastern quadrant. But Harvey has dropped so much water over such a large area of southeastern Texas that the storm is pulling that water back up into itself and dumping it again as more rain. The flood area is so far and wide that it is acting like part of an ocean, feeding warm moisture up into Harvey. “You only need about 50 percent of the land to be covered with water for that to happen,” Masters said. “Obviously we have more than that in Texas.”
Could Harvey exist as a self-perpetuating rain machine over land?
Masters said meteorologists cannot answer this question yet. “If it were to stay perfectly still, could it maintain itself for a long period of time?” he asks. “That’s an interesting theoretical question. We just don’t know.”
The monster is feeding itself
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/hur … e-extreme/
Makati1 on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 5:59 pm
This site shows Harvey’s eye just off the coast.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-98.42,24.82,1186
It will build up again if it stays there for long.
Apneaman on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 10:28 pm
What a fucking nightmare.
With up to 42 Inches of Rain Already Dumped on Texas, Harvey’s Track Over Gulf Means 10-21 More to Come
https://robertscribbler.com/2017/08/28/with-up-to-40-inches-of-rain-already-dumped-on-houston-harveys-track-over-gulf-means-10-21-more-to-come/
Potential Houston Levee Failures: Reports Indicate that Reservoirs are Being Strained to the Breaking Point
https://robertscribbler.com/2017/08/29/potential-houston-levee-failures-reports-indicate-that-reservoirs-are-being-strained-to-the-breaking-point/
Makati1 on Mon, 28th Aug 2017 10:42 pm
Ap, I have never seen a storm like this in my lifetime. I watch it on earth.nullschool.net/ and marvel at how Harvey is dancing on and off the coast. Like going to the well for another bucket of water and then dumping it on Texas over and over again. Even the winds are staying over 50 kph. Amazing!
Boat on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:44 am
My subdivision had had close to 25 inches. I am not sure if the any residents will be able to exit in the morning. The good news is the river is supposed to crest tomorrow at 4′ above any previous flood and my home is 47′ above that level. No electricity but the cars are safe and I was able to buy plenty of ice, batteries, etc. Cooked with propane on the back porch and lucky that temps are low 70’s. There are maybe hundreds of flooded homes just in our area. We feel blessed we have seemed to escaped the worst. Spent about 6 hrs helping others move furniture to a second floor as water rose to a couple inches in their homes. Who knows but it seemed like hundreds of volunteers were out in force to help. Tomorrow it appears the weather will be better, we will see.
rockman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:54 am
Looker/mak – Even though Harvey hit Cat 4 just before it made landfall it wasn’t that great a storm. Had it not stalled it would have dumped a lot of rain and caused some flooding it would not have resulted in a situation remotely like we have now.
Even though Harvey made landfall much of it was still over the very warm waters of the Gulf. The water vapor is being picked up out there…not over the land. Look at the circulation pattern on radar. It’s very obvious where the rain clouds are originating. In a lifetime on the Gulf Coast stall like Harvey has. And with about half over the Gulf and the outer rain bands over Houston it is the “perfect storm”. I don’t recall anyone ever theorizing such a situation: Harvey is acting like a conveyor belt: picking up water vapor in its southern portion, rotating it over its NE and N section and dumping rain, and then circulating back over the Gulf and recharging. Typically hurricanes move completely out of the Gulf in 12 to 24 hours and loose that recharging dynamic. As it stands now Harvey will have been in that recharging mode from Friday morning to at least Wednesday…or later. About 70 to 80 hours compared to 24 or less. I suspect it is the slowest moving storm in recorded history.
rockman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:58 am
Boat – I’m here to lend a hand. But not sure how long before I can get from unflooded Baytown to Houston. If you can make it here you’re welcome for the duration.
rockman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 1:04 am
mak – You’re in typhoon alley. Can you imagine even a moderately powerful one stalling on your coast and hitting Manila for 5 or 6 days continuously? Someone mentioned Sandy: imagine it stalling on the Jersey shoreline and continuously banging NYC for the better part of a week.
Makati1 on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 2:01 am
Rockman, perhaps you are not aware of the wind patterns here or you would know that that is not likely to ever happen. Texas is in Hurricane Alley (Mexico to the Carolinas), but it has totally different wind patterns. It has a west to east prevailing wind system 24/7/365.
The PS has a reversing wind system, monsoon vs dry, not to mention that it is too small of a land mass to stop any storm from crossing in less than a day. The last one, last week, was across Luzon and into the SCS in a few hours after touching the island’s Pacific coast. Only large land masses can block a typhoon’s movement.
We all live in a new world environmentally and will have to adjust to it. Every area will have its challenges, but in a land where you can go into the jungle and build a home from bamboo and palm fronds, the current building on the farm, with no concern about anything but rain, it is a lot easier to survive than in the ‘developed’ West. No freezing weather, no extreme heat, no drought, no taxes for me, etc. Nothing that has not been the norm here for millennia. “70s to 90s, partly cloudy with a chance of showers or a thunderstorm”. That is the normal weather report 365 days a year. One reason I am here and not in Pennsylvania. LOL
Cloggie on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 2:40 am
Help for the longer term? Bring in the water professionals!
https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-08-29/how-dutch-are-helping-new-orleans-stay-dry
https://www.pri.org/series/living-rising-seas
The oceans are rising and coastal cities around the world are threatened. But the Dutch are proving we may not all have to run for higher ground. And their message is catching on in the US.
Davy on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 3:45 am
makat, shut the f*ck up you are in one of the worst possible places overall on almost every metric of overpopulation, weather, earthquakes, and you are crowing like a stupid rooster how great you are and bad our board members are in Houston. What a worthless piece of shit.
Davy on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 4:15 am
I am curious the take by the science deniers on this one.
“Texas Faces More Flooding as Houston Crippled and Costs Soar”
http://tinyurl.com/yaqduhjs
“As floods inundated the nation’s fourth-largest city Monday, with an estimated 20 inches of rain still to come, predictions of damage ranged as high as $100 billion.”
“The storm promises to test the resilience of the biggest city in a state that’s home to almost 1 in 12 U.S. workers. Greater Houston, which includes eight counties, covers 8,778 square miles, an area larger than New Jersey. The metro area of 6.8 million is loosely organized with multiple centers of commerce, defined by vast and looping highways, strip malls and subdivisions.”
“Gasoline futures in New York extended gains a sixth session Tuesday as more than a million barrels of fuel-making capacity was knocked offline; and natural-gas fields and offshore-drilling rigs shut down. The motor fuel advanced 1.3 percent to $1.7342 a gallon at 7:32 a.m. London time. Ports along a 250-mile stretch of Texas coast were closed to tankers. Twenty-two vessels laden with a combined 15.3 million barrels of crude from as far afield as Brazil and Colombia were drifting off the coastline, waiting for the all clear. Ten of the state’s 25 refineries are shut down, accounting for about half the 6 million barrels per day of capacity, said Christi Craddick, chairman of the three-member Texas Railroad Commission, which regulates the industry. Companies will have to wait for floods to recede before they can evaluate damage, she said. “Hopefully within the next week to two weeks, we’ll see refineries back on line,” Craddick said.”
Davy on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 4:33 am
Moving North
“Coastal Watches/Warnings and Forecast Cone for Storm Center”
http://tinyurl.com/ybebng9r
“U.S. Rainfall QPF (from WPC)”
http://tinyurl.com/y7zweunj
Makati1 on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 4:46 am
Hahahahaha. Davy you live in a fascist police state that is dying from obesity, drugs and poverty, not to mention DEBT and you say I live in a bad place. Hypocrite!
You just cannot accept that there are other places to live on this planet that is BETTER than the FSA. You are stuck there, and that is a good thing … for the rest of the world.
Get off the numbers thing. It is meaningless. It is the FSA’s most popular propaganda bullshit. The US consumes (wastes) enough resources (25% of the world’s total) to supply over 1,250,000,000 more people with an average lifestyle. Do the math, if you can.
Davy on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 5:16 am
Makat, we are fine. I do not deny the problems but who cares, worry about your own stupid little overpopulated Island. Leave me along. I will manage. I am not a quitter. I am not stuck here. I am free to leave whenever I like. In fact I could move to a beautiful place that is my wife’s home in Northern Italy. She has a wonderful house nestled in the mountains there. The biggest reason I stay is to give my kids a good life until it gets really bad. You quit your big family for a boyfriend and that has to bother you. I also chose to stay because it is here I can do a permaculture farm. I am good at what I do and I love what I am doing. As far as waste and consumption look to Asia “TOO”. Do the math dropout:
China Consumes Mind-Boggling Amounts of Raw Materials [Chart]
http://tinyurl.com/nb6a2aj
Makati1 on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 6:25 am
I am not doing ANYTHING to you, Davy. You can just ignore my posts. They ALL begin with: Makati1. It is you who has to defend the Imperial Bullshit. Not me. I just point out that I live in a better place than America and can enjoy life without Big Brother breathing down my neck.
Ah yes, you can move to that bankrupt, soon to be 3rd world, country called … Italy. But you won’t. At least, you will not try until it is too late and the door slams shut. That day is fast approaching. I got out with my resources when it was easy. It is getting more and more difficult to do so every day there.
Reverting to name calling. Yes, you fit right in with your redneck neighbors. LOL
Keep dreaming up fake lives for me. I laugh at how wrong you really are. You have no idea what I really do here. Nor will you ever. Only your incorrect guesses as you try to piss me off. The joke is on you. I’ll outlive you by years. And enjoy every minute of them. ^_^
rockman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 8:36 am
Davy – Did AGW contribute to the flooding by Harvey? Not a straight forward conclusion. The flooding is due to Harvey stalling. And Harvey stalled by being trapped between 2 high pressure systems: 1 north and 1 east towards FL. Had the FL not been there the remnants of Harvey would have passed thru New England by now. And high pressure areas generally represents nice weather phenomenon.
As I said earlier while Harvey reached Cat 4 it was not a “Great Storm” per se. Being stuck on the Texas shore line for 7+ days is what puts Harvey in the record book. Oddly enough the high pressure over FL protected it from a tropical storm off its east coast.
Davy on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 9:33 am
“I am not doing ANYTHING to you, Davy”
makat, you are sure as shit doing things to me. You are lying about my life with cherry picked facts and over generalizations. It is packaged in an emotional extremism of anti-Americanism in addition to a propaganda effort to embellish and promote Asia.
“I got out with my resources”
What a friggen goof ball. What resources dumbass? You have said several times in a braggart way you came to Manila with two suitcases. You wanted an emphasis on how tough you are or something. Now you are claiming you brough major resources to the equation.
“Ah yes, you can move to that bankrupt, soon to be 3rd world, country called … Italy.”
We are all going third world makat including your financial district in Makati, Manila where you live a western life and complain about it. You are never at the fantasy farm so we know you don’t live the noble 3rd world lifestyle you expose
“I’ll outlive you by years.”
LOL, there you go again talking about how long you are going to live at the ripe age of 75 with no health care to back you up. You want to move to the jungle at 80. Good luck with malaria and other tropical diseases oh, BTW, set to increase with CC. I said 80 because maybe in 5 years your little concrete brick house and ¼ mile road will be finished. How friggen worthless are Filipino workers? It is going on 5 years that you are claiming the farm is being worked on. LMFAO
Davy on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 9:36 am
YES, Rock, it did. I have been following AGW on both sides and yes it did. It is pretty obvious that the Jet steam has been altered and the sea warmed. Both contributed to the stalling and rainfall amounts.
rockman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 11:28 am
Davy – More on the uniqueness of Harvey. The Houston police chief just made a couple of good points. The Weather Channel had to create a new color for their rainfall maps: they had not anticipated ever seeing such high levels. And as far as those armchair warriors offering criticisms: hindsight doesn’t work when looking at an event that never happened.
An example: 80 years ago the Corps of Engineers built 2 temporary rain retention reservoirs on the west side of Houston to prevent flood waters rolling eastward thru downtown Houston. The Corps starting releasing water from the reservoirs yesterday (causing flooding in new areas). But too late: water is now overtopping the dykes causing even more new flooding in west Houston. This is the first time this has happened in the last 80 years since the reservoirs were built.
Also you can ignore the official rescue numbers. Last I heard it was at 3,000. But those are rescues by the city, county and state authorities. Not a criticism: they are using all the manpower they have available. But rescues by civilians probably exceed 30,000. For instance watching rescues from several newly flooded areas this morning. Every rescue boat and vehicle were private citizens and not the authorities. As I said the other day: fortunately we’re in the land of jacked up pickup trucks and bass boats. LOL.
Also sad proof to the major’s recommendation of Friday night TO NOT try to self evacuate. Largest single fatal incident: a family of 6 drowned when their van ran off a flooded road into a bayou.
rockman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 11:33 am
And just in from the national weather service: Houston has just broke the all time record for the highest rainfall in a single incidence in the continent US. And it’s still taking.
GregT on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 11:37 am
“The Weather Channel had to create a new color for their rainfall maps: they had not anticipated ever seeing such high levels.”
As the Gulf continues to heat up, and the Jet stream continues to destabilize, expect even more colourful maps in the future. This ain’t over yet, by a long shot.
GregT on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 11:50 am
Welcome to the rest of our lives
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b0NrS2L6KcE
(Best viewed full screen, with volume turned up, for full impact)
Davy on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:10 pm
Let me introduce a fake green climate whiner.
(above)
(Best if ignored because of the hypocrisy involved with the lifestyle and the message)
GregT on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:16 pm
Which lifestyle and message would that be Davy?
You don’t know the first thing about me, but don’t stop that from continuing get to make shit up in your deluded feeble little mind.
Davy on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:21 pm
Wow, that was quick, grehg. OK, folks let’s make a bet on how long grehg can keep this thread going. He like to give the first and last slap. Must be a stupid Canadian thingy. You know “we bad” “we are Canadian!”
Apneaman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:30 pm
rockman why don’t you save your damage control efforts for the actual physical damage on the ground in your city. Even now you can’t stop with the rationalizations and attempted misdirection AKA – lying. It’s on everyone, but deniers like you and your oily cunt buddies own a wayyyyyyyyy bigger piece of the responsibility.
Nothing unique here. Just a continuation of every worsening AGW jacked Rain Bombs from the AGW jacked hydroglocial cycle.
Just last year
Historic Houston flood: 16 inches of rain in under 12 hours — and it’s not over – April 19, 2016
http://mashable.com/2016/04/18/houston-deluge-flooding/#YNf6HkYsAuqz
How about 2015?
The Central Texas Memorial Day Flood 2015 Is One for the History Books
http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/the-central-texas-memorial-day-flood-2015-is-one-for-the-history-books/
How many year after year ‘historic’, ‘record breaking’, ‘unprecedented’ floods do you need falling on your head to clue is? Actually only death would stop you from playing these stupid fucking games. Y’all are like little kids with the never ending excuse making and rationalizing and justifying.
Boat is the only one to man up and say that perhaps he was wrong with his theory that “they are exaggerating”. A theory that your dirty money paid for that came out of think tanks.
rockman you are a coward and a bullshit artist.
Why are y’all ‘helping out’ if you are not their mommies? Oh oh right,the cameras are rolling. Never miss an opportunity to score some free good press by ladling soup into bowls for the deplorable who got washed out. Pass out some toys to kids who lost everything. Y’all are fucking saints. Reminds me of John Gotti handing out Christmas turkeys.
GregT on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:31 pm
This happens to be an open Internet discussion forum Davy. There is no physical contact, oh battle hardened internet warrior.
Dredd on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:34 pm
“hindsight doesn’t work when looking at an event that never happened”
That is all the denialists have to use.
Once they falsely determined that the future could not be known, they doomed themselves to hindsight (the view from the asshole).
Scientists have been warning, and will continue to warn, of future catastrophes (The Extinction of Houston – 2).
Davy on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:39 pm
LMFAO, what’s da matter widdle grehg did I touch a nerve?
Apneaman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:40 pm
rockman says -” In a lifetime on the Gulf Coast stall like Harvey has. And with about half over the Gulf and the outer rain bands over Houston it is the “perfect storm”. I don’t recall anyone ever theorizing such a situation:”
You don’t recall because you don’t read articles like the one I already put in this thread yesterday that tells you this was modeled and speculated on.
It’s a fact: climate change made Hurricane Harvey more deadly
Michael E Mann
We can’t say that Hurricane Harvey was caused by climate change. But it was certainly worsened by it
“Finally, the more tenuous but potentially relevant climate factors: part of what has made Harvey such a devastating storm is the way it has stalled near the coast. It continues to pummel Houston and surrounding regions with a seemingly endless deluge, which will likely top out at nearly 4ft (1.22m) of rainfall over a days-long period before it is done.
The stalling is due to very weak prevailing winds, which are failing to steer the storm off to sea, allowing it to spin around and wobble back and forth. This pattern, in turn, is associated with a greatly expanded subtropical high pressure system over much of the US at the moment, with the jet stream pushed well to the north. This pattern of subtropical expansion is predicted in model simulations of human-caused climate change.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/28/climate-change-hurricane-harvey-more-deadly
The only people surprised about this event are deniers and liars and the ignorant.
Apneaman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:52 pm
October 2015, Volume 132, Issue 4, pp 501–515
Increased record-breaking precipitation events under global warming
“Abstract
In the last decade record-breaking rainfall events have occurred in many places around the world causing severe impacts to human society and the environment including agricultural losses and floodings. There is now medium confidence that human-induced greenhouse gases have contributed to changes in heavy precipitation events at the global scale. Here, we present the first analysis of record-breaking daily rainfall events using observational data. We show that over the last three decades the number of record-breaking events has significantly increased in the global mean. Globally, this increase has led to 12 % more record-breaking rainfall events over 1981–2010 compared to those expected in stationary time series. The number of record-breaking rainfall events peaked in 2010 with an estimated 26 % chance that a new rainfall record is due to long-term climate change. This increase in record-breaking rainfall is explained by a statistical model which accounts for the warming of air and associated increasing water holding capacity only. Our results suggest that whilst the number of rainfall record-breaking events can be related to natural multi-decadal variability over the period from 1901 to 1980, observed record-breaking rainfall events significantly increased afterwards consistent with rising temperatures.”
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-015-1434-y
Apneaman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 12:55 pm
Friday 16 June 2017 — Houston fears climate change will cause catastrophic flooding: ‘It’s not if, it’s when’
Human activity is worsening the problem in an already rainy area, and there could be damage worthy of a disaster movie if a storm hits the industrial section
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/16/texas-flooding-houston-climate-change-disaster?CMP=share_btn_tw
Dredd on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 1:16 pm
“hindsight doesn’t work when looking at an event that never happened”
The following article was posted before Harvey even became a hurricane: Harvey Set to Bring ‘Catastrophic’ Flooding Across Texas
Assholes (people whose vision is hindsight) should not go into the insurance business.
Ev“hindsight doesn’t work when looking at an event that never happened”en deniers can look ahead if they strain to get their eyes out of their ass.
The article I linked to (“Harvey Set to Bring ‘Catastrophic’ Flooding Across Texas”) also points out “Texas Governor Greg Abbott declared a state of disaster for 30 Texas counties” … which was also before Harvey became a hurricane.
Dredd on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 1:27 pm
“hindsight doesn’t work when looking at an event that never happened”
Assholes (people whose vision is hindsight) should not go into the insurance business.
Deniers can look ahead if they strain to get their eyes out of their ass, and thereby lose the denial..
(The Extinction of Houston, November 2, 2015).
Cloggie on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 1:34 pm
Climate Change and rising sea levels will impact coastal areas around the world causing mass migration inland.
Drama queen.
Elevation Houston: 32 m
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston
Dredd on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 1:45 pm
“Now is exactly the time to talk about climate change…
Turn on the coverage of the Hurricane Harvey and the Houston flooding and you’ll hear lots of talk about how unprecedented this kind of rainfall is. How no one saw it coming, so no one could adequately prepare … the truth is that these events have long been predicted by climate scientists.” (Harvey Didn’t Come Out of the Blue).
The deniers are hampered by the fact of their eyes being deep in their assholes so all they have is hindsight.
Dredd on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 2:12 pm
T. Rex “Anti-Semitism Needs a Special Envoy but Climate Change Doesn’t, Tillerson Says With State Department Changes”
That is an example of hindsight (eyes deep in the asshole): https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-semitism-needs-special-envoy-175741519.html
onlooker on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 2:16 pm
Time to put a plug in for Americans and the way they have stepped up to help one another in this Disaster. Yeah we aint perfect but this is heartening to see. The vile ones have always really been the elite and their henchman.
Dredd on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 2:29 pm
Cloggie,
“Elevation Houston: 32 m”
Reminds me of Admiral Tilley when he was giving a talk on sea level rise at the Pentagon.
He intimated that a Senator like you came up at a previous presentation and asked “why all the Navy worry about sea level rise?”
“Don’t you know, Admiral, that we always build our seaports at sea level?”
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“There’s a lot of very dangerous materials that are generally … not designed against 20ft floods and if we have that it’s just going to be an incredibly bleak situation,” he said … the US’s second-biggest seaport in terms of total tonnage, some of the nation’s largest refineries and its biggest petrochemical complex … storm surge along the Ship Channel would cause about 90m gallons of crude oil and chemical substances to rush into neighbourhoods and Galveston Bay – an event that a 2015 report claims “could easily become the worst environmental disaster in US history”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/16/texas-flooding-houston-climate-change-disaster?CMP=share_btn_tw
Apneaman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 2:30 pm
Clog, 32m. So what is that supposed to mean? Go ahead explain the significance.
What was the elevation when they built the city? What was it when they built all the refineries?
Are we supposed to believe they sank trillions into the city and industry all the while events like this were happening?
Do you think they would have built there if they knew this was coming?
Denier fucks like you own the suffering.
Better hope there is not a reckoning one day.
I have no problem imagining Nuremberg for deniers trials and then the live streamed hangings afterwards.
Don’t worry too much, it will be the leaders and money men and professional propagandists who get their necks stretched. Liars like you will just be shunned or perhaps beaten senseless by grieving victims.
You’re guilty.
Apneaman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 2:38 pm
Hey clog, you should use the same denier tactic for the AGW Jacked burning to the ground of Fort McMurray and Gatlinburg. Imply that it happened because they built those cities too close to trees.
You can then expand it to Rain Bombed inland cities like Kansas city recently. Imply that it would never have happened if they had not stupidity built those cities under clouds.
Heavy rain causes record-breaking flooding in Kansas City area
Posted 7:01 am, August 22, 2017,
http://kdvr.com/2017/08/22/heavy-rain-causes-flash-flooding-in-kansas-city-missouri/
Further, you can blame all high temperature records on the humans for evolving on a planet too close to the Sun.
Milk it for all it’s worth old man.
Cloggie on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 2:41 pm
You’re guilty.
For what, planetary cancer and DNA-level gulag guard?
For reminding that Houston is at 32 m, so unlikely to be swallowed by the waves any time soon?
You have a problematic relationship with facts, as in none whatsoever.
No go design a refinery, you punk.
Apneaman on Tue, 29th Aug 2017 2:44 pm
Worst Tropical Rainfall Event in Texas History Made More Deadly by Climate Change: Harvey Totals Now Top 49 Inches
“That the flood was made worse by climate change is a scientific fact. That Texas is still getting pummeled by a tragic blow that is costing both lives and tens of billions of dollars in damages is a foregone conclusion.”
https://robertscribbler.com/2017/08/29/worst-tropical-rainfall-event-in-texas-history-made-more-deadly-by-climate-change-harvey-totals-now-top-49-inches/