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Why Collapse is not always a bad thing: the New Book by Ugo Bardi

General Ideas
New book provides an analysis of the process of failure and collapse, and outlines principles that help us manage these challenges in our lives
Heidelberg | New York, 12 December 2019
Image: © Springer Nature

Everyone experiences collapse in their lives: you may lose your job, get sick, or a close friend or family member may die. Collapse also happens to structures such as buildings, and on a larger scale affects whole systems like companies, communities or even civilisations. In his latest book, Before the Collapse: A Guide to the Other Side of Growth, Ugo Bardi sets out an approach for facing failure and collapse on all scales. He calls his method the “Seneca Strategy” based on the teachings of the ancient Roman philosopher, Lucius Annaeus Seneca.

Bardi draws on Seneca’s philosophy to explain why collapse is a necessary part of our lives and the world, and why trying to avoid it may lead to bigger problems later on. Seneca recognised that growth is slow but ruin is rapid, yet sudden collapse does not have to take us by surprise. In six concise chapters, Bardi outlines the science behind the collapse of complex systems, how the future can be modelled, and gives numerous examples of past and possible future collapses. Some of the cases Bardi lists include natural disasters, like Florence’s Great Flood, the collapse of a business such as the bankruptcy of the video rental service Blockbuster, as well as famines, epidemics and depopulation. As Seneca famously said: “Nothing that exists today is not the result of past collapse.”

Despite the subject matter, Before the Collapse is not a pessimistic book. Although Bardi emphasizes that technological progress might not prevent collapse, he stresses that the best strategy of coping with collapse is not to resist at all costs. It is possible to rebound after collapse, argues Bardi, and the new condition that arises may even be better than the old. The book finishes with a self-help style reference list summarising the six key things we should know before a collapse is imminent.

The practical tips in this book will appeal to any readers seeking a philosophical self-help guide for coping with collapse in their lives. Before the Collapse also provides general readers with a scientific analysis of local and global disasters and offers a pragmatic approach for preparing and weathering difficult times.

About the author

Ugo Bardi teaches physical chemistry at the University of Florence in Italy. He is interested in resource depletion, system dynamics modeling, climate science and renewable energy. He has an English language blog called “Cassandra’s legacy” and is also the author of two other books: Extracted: How the Quest for Global Mining Wealth is Plundering the Planet (Chelsea Green 2014) and The Limits to Growth Revisited (Springer 2011).

Further Information
About the book: Before the Collapse
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267 Comments on "Why Collapse is not always a bad thing: the New Book by Ugo Bardi"

  1. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 2:40 am 

    “I would agree with that. You should close them when you can afford to close them: financially and technically, read when sufficient storage for renewable electricity is in place. Experiencing black-outs would be a PR-disaster against renewable energy.”

    Somebody is waking up to reality finally

  2. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 2:42 am 

    “Reason: the insane idea of giving the right to apply for asylum to potentially billions of third worlders and live in the world’s first address, is acting like a magnet. Needs to be abolished completely. A bullet between the eyes is the correct answer.”

    Wow, mr. eurasian is waking up to the reality of being eurasian. LOL

  3. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 2:51 am 

    “The Turkish Intervention In Libya Might Lead To A War With Egypt”
    https://tinyurl.com/qsk6nvg moon of alabama

    “The Turkish President Erdogan continues to create enemies for Turkey. After waging a war on Syria, he has managed to piss off the EU by pushing refugees towards it. He has displeased NATO and the U.S. by installing Russian air defenses. Most Arab countries at the Persian Gulf hate him for his support for Qatar. Erdogan has allied himself with the with the Government of National Accord (GNA) that rules in Tripoli, Libya. He will now have to take on several additional countries which support the GNA’s opponent…Most of the east and the south and most of the oil of the country is ruled by General Khalifa Haftar, a former CIA asset. Haftar has support from the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Russia. A U.S. delegation recently visited him. Nine month ago he started a campaign to eliminate the Muslim Brotherhood controlled GNA around Tripoli and Misrata. The campaign got stuck even as each side continued to put more and better material onto the ground and into the air. Pilots flying for Haftar are allegedly from the UAE and Egypt. The GNA flies Turkish drones which are likely controlled by Turkish pilots. There are also rumors that Russian mercenaries are involved in support of Haftar. Both sides lack well trained ground troops in sufficient numbers. At the end of November Erdogan offered a rather curious agreement to the GNA. In exchange for troops from Turkey the GNA would have to agree to a common maritime border between Libya and Turkey. Fayez al-Sarraj, the Chairman of the Presidential Council of Libya and prime minister of the GNA, agreed. That resulted in this curious map.”

  4. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:01 am 

    Trump supporters humiliated when Daily Show asks them if they’ve read the Ukraine call ‘transcript’

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/trump-supporters-humiliated-when-daily-show-asks-them-if-theyve-read-the-ukraine-call-transcript/?fbclid=IwAR0-6-SASWWVtWUJ0CSwwCdoMqdmKJenxgRlETyEwojBJiItdxB_5KkohfQ

    Can you get any more ignorant? I bet if you combined all of their IQ’s you might reach 80.

    They are as brainwashed as they think North Korea people are.

    LMFAO

  5. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:12 am 

    “Trump supporters humiliated when Daily Show asks them if they’ve read the Ukraine call ‘transcript”

    I doubt you read it either

  6. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:22 am 

    Davy

    I didn’t. But I’m not objecting to it either.

    Nice false equivalency though.

  7. DerHundistLos on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:24 am 

    Hey I am the MOB,

    Trump said it best himself. He stated that he could shoot someone in the middle of Times Square at 12:00 AM on January 1 and his ditto-heads (supporters) would defend his innocence.

    Facts are meaningless for the members of the cult of Trump. Thus, the reason for “fake news” and “alternative facts”.

    Take the news from last week that Trump was ordered by a judge to pay a $2 million fine for commingling charity funds for his personal enrichment. The Trumptardian interpretation is Trump was fined by a “liberal Democrat judge” who wanted to punish Trump for supporting veterans organizations instead of liberal charity groups.

    John McCain’s campaign manager summed it best when he said 1/3 of the American public has always been looney tunes nuts.

  8. DerHundistLos on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:29 am 

    How do you know I am the MOB didn’t read it, Davy? Or was this an opportunity you couldn’t pass up to get a dig in against an anti-Trumper?

    The cult of Trump alive and well.

  9. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:33 am 

    Fight For Democracy @ Impeachment rally in Times Square

    https://i.redd.it/93ul63rku9541.jpg

    NOT MY PRESIDENT!

  10. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:37 am 

    did you read it derhund? I skimmed it. Not worth much of a read. More DC stupidity that extremist liberals have become deranged over

    BTW, got a link?
    “Trump said it best himself. He stated that he could shoot someone in the middle of Times Square at 12:00 AM on January 1 and his ditto-heads (supporters) would defend his innocence.”

    Not saying he did or didn’t say it just would like to see some evidence for your extremist liberal “He said shit”. I have seen endless fake news from liberals who at one time were the educated ones but not anymore. Now it is about gaming the system not the truth.

  11. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:38 am 

    “Fight For Democracy @ Impeachment rally in Times Square”

    You mean the fight against democracy and the rally for overturning an election and destroying the constitution.

  12. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:40 am 

    “Nice false equivalency though.”

    do you know what that is or did you just massage it for that comment?

  13. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:49 am 

    All Trump supporters are dumb as stumps. And so happy to just carry water for the elites.

  14. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:50 am 

    “Australia Just Experienced Its Hottest Day on Record”
    https://tinyurl.com/u2mprwc Bloomberg

    “Country’s maximum average temperature reached record Tuesday Air conditioners push up power use on Victoria’s stressed grid A firefighter douses a blaze near the Kulnura, New South Wales, Australia. Firefighters are bracing for more difficult conditions later in the week. A firefighter douses a blaze near the Kulnura, New South Wales, Australia. Firefighters are bracing for more difficult conditions later in the week. Australia recorded its hottest day on record as the country’s populated eastern seaboard grapples with smoke from devastating bushfires, while the rush to the relief of air conditioning puts pressure on a vulnerable power grid. The average maximum temperature across the country reached 40.9 Celsius (105.6 Fahrenheit) on Tuesday, beating the previous record of 40.3 Celsius on Jan. 7, 2013, according to the country’s weather bureau. The worst of the heat came across the continent’s interior, with vast swathes of territory experiencing severe heatwave conditions. Preliminary results suggest that the 17th December was Australia’s hottest day on record at 40.9 ºC, with the average maximum across the country as a whole, exceeding the previous record of 40.3 ºC on the 7th January 2013. https://t.co/TKwWBuFPgJ pic.twitter.com/xOFpokoXos — Bureau of Meteorology, Australia (@BOM_au) December 18, 2019”

  15. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:51 am 

    “All Trump supporters are dumb as stumps. And so happy to just carry water for the elites.”

    OH, and you don’t too?? LMFAO. We are all trapped MOBster just some of us pretend we are not.

  16. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:53 am 

    Davy

    Nobody cares about that anymore. That was years ago and there is another election next year.

    Boomer okay! lol

  17. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:58 am 

    cares about what MOBster? explain yourself #Millennialinthebasement#

  18. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:09 am 

    Pro-impeachment protesters march with Article II Section 4 banner

    https://i.redd.it/5sli2evb5a541.jpg

    WE ARE THE PEOPLE!

  19. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:32 am 

    US Senate approves Nord Stream 2 Russia-Germany pipeline sanctions

    https://www.dw.com/en/us-senate-approves-nord-stream-2-russia-germany-pipeline-sanctions/a-51711980?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

  20. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:44 am 

    “Pro-impeachment protesters march with Article II Section 4 banner”

    Impeachment is a lie MOBster. It is a joke and educated people should understand that. If you don’t like the guy get your shit together and vote him out. You dumbfucks are just making it easier for your “hated one” to get reelected by this charade. This charade unites the loud mouth 10% of your constituency but is alienating the rest who are the salient majority. I voted Democrat in the past and Republican but these days you crazies are scary. The silent majority are worried about all this energy at impeachment and nothing of substance on real issues that dims don’t even talk about anymore. I have a folder with liberal news I follow and the headlines are constant with Trump “anything negative”. Nothing but trump is going to lose the election.

    Extremist should take note of what happened in UK with the liberal left that talked extremist. They got their asses kicked like you Americans ones are shaping up to do unless you get your shit together. Your candidate offering is horrendous. I mean Geeze?? what a bunch of clowns. Trump may be a clown too but his ideas are not off in the stratosphere of possibility compared to Sanders/Warren. Uncle Joe is an 80-year-old buffoon corrupt to the teeth in dirt. BTW they all are corrupt but some more than others and Uncle Joe tops the list besides the fact he has early onset dementia surfacing. That fuck needs to be impeached off the campaign trail. Who do you have left?? Tulsi! She is not extremist enough in for the radicals who want a loud mouth AOC type. She is not a water carrier of the elites so she is nixed. She is anti-establishment in regards to the warfare state that must end. You guys are pathetic and MOBster you are a perfect example of this.

  21. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:44 am 

    “US Senate approves Nord Stream 2 Russia-Germany pipeline sanctions”

    Stupid

  22. Anonymouse on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:45 am 

    Speaking of stupid where is stupid? Too much to drink last night I guess.

  23. REAL Green on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:54 am 

    “Germany Plans To Increase The Price Of Carbon, But Is It Enough?”
    https://tinyurl.com/wyaquyz
    https://tinyurl.com/s9tan3g german climate plan png

    “Putting a price on carbon is the most logical, sensible, and socially responsible way to restrain carbon dioxide emissions. Only idiots and tempestuous tweeters would say otherwise…Germany can’t do it alone, of course. But it can lead at a time when others lack the will or intelligence to save their own asses from disaster. One plan we may see in the future is countries refusing to let consumer goods pass their borders manufactured in countries that refuse to adopt meaningful climate change mitigation strategies. Would that be painful for Germany and other countries who follow its example? Absolutely. But then again, extinction will be even more painful. And when it happens, as it most certainly will, we can think Charles Koch and his perfect, well-formed turds for pushing us all into the blackness of the abyss.”

  24. REAL Green on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:55 am 

    This kind of thinking is typical out of FAKE Greens. While I agree carbon needs to be taxed, I also believe behavior needs to be modified first and foremost. The behavior in question is the desire to be affluent, to be affluent in the sense of the modern car culture. Talk to any well-off FAKE Green and they will look gut shot over the idea of being poorer. They still want their car and holiday away but green. It doesn’t work that way. They feel you can tax carbon and still be affluent. The car culture can be sustained with carbon taxes??? The airline industry with electric planes and syn fuel??? You can have greater affluence but it is a very difficult affluence of the mind and spirit. It means low carbon localism nobody wants to live these days because that is what they have in the 3rd world. It doesn’t have to be ll the way to the 3rd world but it needs to head that direction.

    FAKE Greens are big on regulations and policy. They love the idea of socialism. The problem comes in when they want to apply these ideas to reality. The reality is we are carbon trapped and if you are going to deal with that trap as in mitigate it in the name of green, you are going to have to be poorer. Germans are some of the wealthiest people on earth and have some room to adapt this position and still be well off but not that much. Wealth is very difficult to manage or you don’t have wealth. Wealth is managed by growing and preserving. That takes carbon in the end. You don’t eat and live nice ideas. You can’t have this wealth and not be drenched in carbon. You can’t enact policy to penalize carbon and not suffer consequences. A new idea of wealth should be preserving in decline which means house cleaning and less comforts.

    No amount of renewables and EV’s are going to eliminate carbon. This is the big lie of FAKE Greens. If they would admit to the carbon trap they are in and be realistic about managing and adapting to less carbon then I salute them. Lower carbon is the name of the game climate or not. It is about reducing our footprint both for resilience and survivability but also climate. Yet, don’t think for a moment that this will not have consequences. It means pain and suffering maybe not initially when the low hanging fruit is picked but later as all these various regulations from policy converge negatively against growth.

    Places like German are facing a perfect storm of consequences and FAKE Greens are hoodwinking people by saying we can fix climate and live well. No, stable climate is out of our control. You can go low carbon because it is smart in a collapsing world but you are not going to save climate besides Brown DENIALIST are as numerous as FAKE Greens. You can go low carbon understanding you will put yourself at a disadvantage and suffer those consequences. If you go into that situation with that attitude then you will actually be stronger than the Brown DENIALIST. The reason for this is you will be forced to be tougher and beat the rush. Now to be fair to Germany and give them credit, people are not going to do this unless policy pushes it. So FAKE Green is better than Brown Denialist longer term. That said FAKE Green affluence is still a lie and lies are corruption and eventually lies always are accounted for.

  25. Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:03 am 

    Trump Akbar!

  26. More Davy Trolling on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:10 am 

    Anonymouse on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:45 am

  27. JuanP is stupid on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:40 am 

    stupid is up but up late. I hope I am messing with your stupid vacation with your maggot South American pals. You guys are problem model global citizens frolicking in the surf. LMFAO

    This is from stupid:
    More Davy Trolling said Anonymouse on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:45 am

    Davy Trolling said makati1 on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 1:10 am

  28. More Davy Trolling on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:58 am 

    JuanP is stupid on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:40 am

  29. Cloggie on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 8:30 am 

    After the victory in the US, rightwing circles like the Heartland Institute now try to destroy the save the climate movement in Europe:

    https://m.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/klima-us-thinktanks-wollen-weltklimaabkommen-torpedieren-a-1301744.html

    US=cancer

  30. Cloggie on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 2:43 pm 

    Trump made significant inroads in the system, but fundamentally changing it, no:

    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1207339447580151809

    Trump is now essentially funded by three Jews—Singer, Bernard Marcus, and Sheldon Adelson, together accounting for over $250 million in pro-Trump political money. In return, they want war with Iran…The same pattern is witnessed again and again…

    Only CW2 can do that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66cTxZeaLVA

    “Rabbi Yaron Reuven on youtube – “Jews destroyed Germany & Russia with usury, communism & porn” (& will do the same to USA etc)”

  31. JuanP is stupid AKA Davy on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:02 pm 

    We new it all along cloggo. Trump is more of the same ZOG. CW2 is are only hope.

  32. REAL Green on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:17 pm 

    Were lying again JuanP is stupid AKA Davy

  33. Davy & Socks on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:24 pm 

    Will the REAL DavySkum stand-up.

  34. JuanP is stupid on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:31 pm 

    Lots of stupid today. Stupid is pressured and triggered

    This is from stupid:
    Davy & Socks said Will the REAL DavySkum stand-up.

    REAL Green said Were lying again JuanP is stupid AKA Davy

    JuanP is stupid AKA Davy said We new it all along cloggo. Trump is more of the s…

    REAL Green said That’s write Davy Go Trump! Make America weak….

    Davy said But JuanP is stupid is me REAL Green

    REAL Green said JaunP is stupid is write Davy. Were a retard.

  35. Supertard JianP on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:33 pm 

    JuanP is stupid on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:31 pm
    Above not supertard obv.

  36. Cloggie on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 4:48 pm 

    The Good Lawd has decided that from now on the world revolves around Russia:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/18/world/magnetic-north-pole-drift-scn-trnd/index.html

  37. Cloggie on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:01 pm 

    Dems prepare to impeach themselves.

  38. Cloggie on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:05 pm 

    BBC Newsnight: Finland wants to fully decarbonize in 15 years, not 30.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/finland-carbon-neutral-fossil-fuels-climate-change-global-warming-a8943886.html

    “Finland vows to become carbon neutral by 2035”

  39. Davy@LiarHypocriteFraud.org on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:14 pm 

    “This kind of thinking is typical out of FAKE Greens.”

    DavySkum is THE FAKE Green authority that’s for certain.

  40. JuanP is stupid on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:19 pm 

    Well stupid you are fooling your daddy makato. It is hilarious how he can still be so fond of you when you deceive him like you do. LMFAO

    this is from stupid:
    Davy@LiarHypocriteFraud.org said “This kind of thinking is typical out of FAK…

    Supertard JianP said JuanP is stupid on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 3:31 pm Abov…

  41. full woke supremacist muzzies jerk I love cats I love every kind of cats I want to hug cats but I cant hug all cats. so anyway Im a cats lover and I love to run sorry im being emotional im thinking about cats again on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:27 pm 

    Above supertard obv.

  42. JuanP is stupid on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:30 pm 

    stupid has lost it

    this is stupid:
    full woke supremacist muzzies jerk I love cock I love every kind of cock I want to hug cock but I cant hug all cock. so anyway Im a cock lover and I love to run sorry im being emotional im thinking about cock again said Above supertard obv.

  43. full woke supremacist muzzies jerk I love cats I love every kind of cats I want to hug cats but I cant hug all cats. so anyway Im a cats lover and I love to run sorry im being emotional im thinking about cats again on Wed, 18th Dec 2019 5:31 pm 

    Above superetard obv.

  44. Cloggie on Thu, 19th Dec 2019 4:35 am 

    “Scottish leader Nicola Sturgeon says she will consider ‘ALL OPTIONS’ if UK govt rejects 2nd independence vote”

    https://www.rt.com/uk/476275-scotland-sturgeon-options-referndum/

    Just Leave, Nicola.

    The US and UK are over and downunder will disappear in the tummy of the Red Dragon.

    Toxic One World globalism will evaporate, just like the USSR variety of globalism.
    Soviets disappeared from history.
    Anglos are about to disappear from history.
    Good riddance to them.
    Take your pick: Euro or mongrel and pick up arms and let the landgrab begin.

    It is going to hurt a little.

  45. Facts vs "Alternative Facts" on Thu, 19th Dec 2019 4:39 am 

    Between when President Trump assumed office in January 2017 and the end of October 2019, the average number of public false or misleading statements Chump has made per day continues to increase.

    According to the Washington Posts’ Fact Checkers: “For the president’s first 100 days, Trump averaged 4.9 false claims a day… since we last updated this tally two months ago, the president has averaged 15.7 lies a day. Our calculations suggest that if the current escalation rate remains steady, by the end of his term the president could be making as many as nineteen public false statements a day, on average.”

    The truth is optional for Trump. Unimaginable a president of the United States would knowingly and without conscience lie as often as or more than the truth.

    Proof positive the U.S. is in decline as a world power. For most of the world community, the sooner the better.

  46. Fact checker on Thu, 19th Dec 2019 4:42 am 

    “Between when President Trump assumed office in January 2017 and the end of October 2019, the average number of public false or misleading statements Chump has made per day continues to increase.”

    links, references, and examples??

  47. Davy on Thu, 19th Dec 2019 5:09 am 

    Clog neighborhood is heating up.

    “Angry French Pensioners Cut Power To Central Bank, Hint At More To Come”
    https://tinyurl.com/t87xen5 zero hedge

    “France’s trade unions on Wednesday defended a series of illegal power cuts to 150,000 homes, thousands of companies and the Bank of France in an effort to force the Macron government to quash its wide-ranging pension reform, according to Reuters.”

  48. Davy on Thu, 19th Dec 2019 5:17 am 

    Lies from the top

    “Former NSA Tech Chief Says Mueller Report Was Based On CIA-Fabricated “Evidence”
    https://tinyurl.com/wjvlkwr duran

    “BILL BINNEY: I basically have always been saying that all of this Russian hack never happened, but we have some more evidence coming out recently. We haven’t published it yet, but what we have seen is that there are at least five items that we’ve found that were produced by Guccifer 2.0 back on June 15th, where they had the Russian fingerprints in them, suggesting the Russians made the hack. Well, we found the same five items published by Wikileaks in the Podesta emails. Those items do not have the Russian fingerprints, which directly implies that Guccifer 2.0 was inserting these into the files to make it look like the Russians did this hack. Taking that into account with all the other evidence we have; like the download speeds from Guccifer 2.0 were too fast, and they couldn’t be managed by the web; and that the files he was putting together and saying that he actually hacked, the two files he said he had were really one file, and he was playing with the data; moving it to two different files to claim two hacks. Taking that into account with the fabrication of the Russian fingerprints, it leads us back to inferring that in fact the marble framework out of the Vault 7 compromise of CIA hacking routines was a possible user in this case. In other words, it looked like the CIA did this, and that it was a matter of the CIA making it look like the Russians were doing the hack. So, when you look at that and also look at the DNC emails that were published by Wikileaks that have this FAT-file format in them, all 35,813 of these emails have rounded off times to the nearest even second. That’s a FAT-file format property; that argues that those files were, in fact, downloaded to a thumb drive or CD-rom and physically transported before Wikileaks posted them.”

  49. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 19th Dec 2019 6:08 am 

    Davy

    Well, if he says so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    It must be true.

    You are as dumb as a stump. lol

  50. Davy on Thu, 19th Dec 2019 6:36 am 

    thats cute MOBster. kind of like makato does with his ^<^. You guys think alike. LOL

    obviously you have been moderated and neutered.

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