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Kunstler: A Hot Mess
It wasn’t until more than a week after Hurricane Katrina slammed into New Orleans in 2005 that the full extent of the damage was recognized and so it will go with the hot mess where Houston used to be. Mostly, it is inconceivable that the business activity which made Houston the nation’s fourth largest city and, according to Chris Martenson, equal to the 10th largest economy in the world, will ever return to what it was before August 26, 2017.
The major activity there has been the refining and distribution of oil products, and no activity is more central to the functioning of the US economy. So the public and our currently clueless leaders across the political spectrum, plus a legacy news media lost in the carnival of race and gender freak shows, is about to discover the dynamic relationship between energy and an industrial economy.
The pivot in this relationship is banking, which enables the conversion of oil’s raw power into everything else that goes on in a so-called advanced economy. The popular assumption is that federal disaster relief can compensate for all losses. That assumption may go out the window with the Houston flood of 2017. And no amount of federal aid can compensate for the hours, days, and weeks that will tick by as businesses struggle to return to something like their former level of normal operation.
Many businesses will never recover, especially the smaller ones that support the big one — the little tool and die shops, the construction outfits, the trucking and shipping concerns, the riggers and pipefitters, the cement companies, and so on. All of that activity existed in highly rationalized chains of on-time production and service and nothing will be on-time in Houston for a long time to come. The arguments over insurance coverage have not even begun, and then there is the question of how businesses in this perpetual flood zone will renew their insurance. Or how might they relocate to higher ground? And how do they pay for that? And where is higher ground in this vast, swampy lowland?
The public has been conditioned by frequent natural disasters to think that nobody has to eat the losses, so that in effect loss doesn’t exist, just as the nation’s central bank has engineered the belief that risk no longer exists in the management of capital. We sure had a nice demonstration of the latter, with the Dow inching over the 22,000 hashmark in overnight futures trading today. The exertions of the Federal Reserve in propping up the stock markets will have to go pedal-to-metal now to make up for the hole in economic activity that Houston represents.
Meanwhile congress is left to dither over two conjoined financial emergencies at once: authorizing emergency aid to Houston, and resolving the debt ceiling problem. The fault lines are already visible in the ill-feeling left over from Texas’s congressional delegation voting against aid for Hurricane Sandy’s rip through New York and New Jersey. Texas Senator Ted Cruz, for one, has reinvented his political philosophy overnight to accommodate federal aid for natural disasters, something he was not keen on before September 26.
I’d assume that these politicians have some normal human sympathies — yes, really — but that these emotions won’t stand in the way of their agenda for mutual self-destruction. Even if they manage to cobble together some kind of emergency aid package for Houston, the process will coincide with the Treasury running out of supposedly “actual” money — that is, money which can be accounted for by some method besides check-kiting. Another assumption du jour is probably the idea that accounting no longer matters, that bankruptcy no longer means anything. Pretty soon, those logical fallacies will manifest in an accelerated falling value of the US dollar.
Somewhere in this reverberating hot mess stands a character named President Trump. He acted out the customary disaster visitation ceremony last week, but I predict that the as-yet-revealed after-effects of Hurricane Harvey will put him in deeper and stinkier hot water than George W. Bush splashed through with Katrina.
Meanwhile, what’s that monster called Irma doing out there in the Atlantic?
138 Comments on "Kunstler: A Hot Mess"
Dredd on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 7:36 am
All “cattle” but no hat …
https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/59aa06c41400002000fa7b42.jpeg?ops=scalefit_600_noupscale
rockman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 8:15 am
Boat/mac – “I’m sure that all of your neighbours who have lost their homes,” As I keep pointing out not nearly as many folks “lost” their homes as suffered water damage. Water damage that will be repaired. Expensive and a pain in the ass but not ‘destroyed”.
One of countless heart warming stories yesterday: a dozen teenagers helping tear out the drywall from a teacher’s house. She taught them years ago in 4th grade. And she didn’t send out a call for help…they just showed up.
One big need during recovery: thousands of dump trucks and front end loaders. There will be hundreds of million of pounds of wet sheet rock and carpet sitting on curbs for months. This is not Katrina and not New Orleans: you won’t see whole neighborhood abandoned.
Westexasfanclub on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 8:26 am
Irma seems to spare the Caribbean and instead steers straight into NC or even NY. How about a little earthquake in CA to round up the punching?
Makati1 on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 8:36 am
Rockman, I bet you do. How many will even have money to tear out the wet stuff and get it to the curb? Every counter top will be swollen and useless. Most cabinets and furniture also. I have seen houses that were only in water a few days and they had to be gutted. Places of employment will be lost or closed too long for the employees to stay until they are reopened, if ever. I’ve seen what floods can do when I was in the National Guard. Only the wealthy were able to fix and move back in in a month. Most never were repaired. Mold and mildew destroyed more than the water did.
Darrell Cloud on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 8:47 am
What about Short’s 36 day prediction?
Davy on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 9:02 am
makat, Houston is going to prove your agenda so wrong. It will be horrible for you to see all those communities coming together. You hate that don’t you!
onlooker on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 9:13 am
Well Darrel here is some info related to you question.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/30/harvey-shuts-down-largest-us-oil-refinery-bears-down-on-louisiana-plants.html
“Houston plants appeared to suffer minimal damage, but were producing very few products because their access to oil is limited. The region is capable of refining about 2.7 million barrels a day of crude, or about 14 percent of total U.S. capacity. It could take refiners in the Houston area 14 to 17 days to fully recover, Lipow estimated.”
Harvey has affected 31 percent of the total U.S. refining capacity, taking into account facilities that have not shut down entirely, but throttled back operations, Lipow said.
It took one to two months for refineries to return to normal production after Hurricane Katrina knocked out about 30 percent of U.S. refining capacity when it struck the Gulf Coast in 2005, according to Tamar
Davy on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 10:05 am
“Oil Tanker Logjam Grows To 54 Ships As Gulf Ports Remain Closed”
http://tinyurl.com/y9l48ze5
“On Tuesday, just as Hurricane Harvey was peaking, we reported that according to ship-tracking data compiled by Bloomberg, as well as MarineTraffic real-time tracking, at least 25 tankers carrying almost 17 million barrels of imported crude oil were drifting near Texas and Louisiana ports, unable to offload because of closures from Tropical Storm Harvey. Since then the situation has deteriorated by more than double, and as of Friday evening, Bloomberg reports that 54 tankers with capacity more than 33 million barrels either to deliver imported crude from Latin America, Europe, Caribbean, Africa and Middle East or receive U.S. supplies are drifting off U.S. Gulf Coast as several key ports remain closed while others are open with restrictions.”
“The nation’s economy depends on the port’s continued operation. More than 80,000 jobs depend on the Corpus Christi Ship Channel, where more than $100 million worth of goods pass through every day. Port of Corpus Christi stakeholders generate $350 million a day in national economic output.”
rockman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 10:25 am
Looker – Haven’t heard of any Texas refineries shut down for damage. All done for safety. About 2 to 4 weeks to resume normal operations. Like Exxon’s second largest refinery in the Western Hemishere: neighbor/worker says 2 weeks to full production.
Darrell Cloud on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 10:59 am
Good to know Rock. If this is the case, then a momentary price spike is what we are looking at.
rockman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 11:36 am
Cloud – And with the holiday upon us there might have been a small spike without Harvey.
Tom on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 11:57 am
Davy; regarding the link that you posted about Houston tanker traffic:
There are ALWAYS that many tankers parked off Galveston, 54 tankers sitting out there is perfectly normal.
Some waiting to load, some to unload, many are shallow-water tankers that unload the big tankers with a deep draft offshore & bring it to port for them, many are full of heating oil & other various products that are seasonal.
If you visit the following link on a regular basis, you will learn that this amount of traffic is not unusual… It’s not unusual for any major crude / refined products exporting or importing hubs around the world.
Tom on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 11:58 am
http://www.marinetraffic.com/
Tom on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 12:05 pm
Rockman;
Why will it take 2 to 4 weeks to resume full operations?
Is this for safety too, or because they don’t have crude oil to refine? Refinery Start-up Cycles don’t take 2-4 weeks.
I agree their should be only minimal damage from the storm. When you park a multi-billion dollar refinery that is key to our nation’s interest in Hurricane Alley; you best design it to be able to withstand hurricanes (& probably 100-year storm events).
Davy on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 12:32 pm
Well, Tom, you will admit there is little crude being unloaded so maybe the reason the number is not larger is there are tankers that are not even heading that way that normally would. The point is these tankers are sitting and not unloading.
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 12:53 pm
Tom where do you get you 1 in 100 year figure from?
Do you really fucking think they were expecting anything like this when they first decided to build the world Cancer center there? Tell yourself.
They will never fully recover. The Cancer will get back up and running as fast as fast can and with plenty of taxpayer help, but the city is fucked forever and even without another hurricane the AGW Jacked Rain Bombs will keep falling on their heads breaking record after record after record until the infrastructure is all broken down and the humans sprits are broken and the region is abandoned.
Views from space reveal the staggering extent of Harvey’s flooding – now confirmed as a 1-in-1,000-year event
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2017/08/31/views-from-space-reveal-the-staggering-extent-of-flooding-from-harvey/
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 12:54 pm
Harvey stirs up a toxic, industrial soup
“For the neighborhoods bordering Houston’s industrial facilities, an average day brings air polluted with nitrogen oxide, benzene, sulfur dioxide, and other harmful byproducts of the manufacturing processes that drive the city’s economic engine. People in these communities face cancer rates more than 20 percent higher than the city as a whole.
When Harvey forced many of these power plants and refineries to shut down, huge quantities of toxic chemicals — as much as 2 million pounds of them — were released into the air all at once. Nearby residents reported “unbearable” smells, and some were even told to “shelter in place” as authorities weighed the necessity of evacuation amid rising floodwaters.
The waters, of course, brought their own dangers. Storms often wash untreated sewage into the streets, carrying a risk of disease. Harvey’s historic flooding also brought pollution from flooded factories, refineries, plants, and Superfund sites.
The EPA’s Toxic Release Inventory catalogued 1,816 sites with harmful pollution in the state of Texas in 2015; 495 of those fall within the greater Houston metropolitan area, responsible for a cumulative 1.5 billion pounds of toxic waste a year. Many of these sites rely on containment ponds and storage tanks where hazardous materials are held until they can be treated and discharged — but as the storm overwhelmed infrastructure and flooded these sites, those concentrated pools of toxins were likely mixed into the floodwaters.
“There’s no need to test it,” one Houston Health department official told the New York Times. “It’s contaminated. There’s millions of contaminants.”
http://grist.org/article/harvey-stirs-up-a-toxic-industrial-soup/
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 12:56 pm
San Francisco hits 106 degrees — shatters all-time record
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Hey-San-Francisco-get-ready-for-the-heat-12166706.php
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 12:57 pm
BOM: Australia’s hottest winter on record, maximum temperatures up nearly 2C on the long-term average
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-01/australia-winter-2017-was-hot-dry-and-a-record/8862856
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 12:59 pm
I like to think of this collage of the best and worst of Houston and it applies to the entire US as well methinks.
http://imgur.com/gallery/ysoRB#IGy1zv0
rockman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 1:44 pm
A few more FACTS about that fed relief bill for Sandy. I wonder how much aid will be included for Alaska this time to help with the damage it suffered from Sandy compared to damage sustained from Harvey. LOL. From The NY Times no less:
“As Tropical Storm Harvey barrels down the Gulf Coast and talk of a disaster-relief bill begins, Republican lawmakers from Texas are rushing to defend their 2013 votes against spending $50.5 billion on Hurricane Sandy relief.
Senator John Cornyn’s spokesman, Drew Brandewie, tweeted on Friday that the senator “voted for Sandy relief, just not the package that became law.” He said the final bill included “extraneous” money for items unrelated to disaster relief. (Mr. Cornyn voted for an amendment that would have provided about $24 billion in funding.)
On Tuesday, in an interview with NBC’s Katy Tur, Senator Ted Cruz put a specific number on unrelated spending in the 2013 legislation: “Two-thirds of that bill had nothing to do with Sandy.”
And on Wednesday morning, Representative Bill Flores echoed criticism of the Sandy relief bill during a local radio interview. Congress “went crazy with it, packing it full of pork,” he said. “Most people don’t realize that the $51 billion bill included spending for almost all 50 states” as well as Guam, the Virgin Islands and American Samoa.”
Boat on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 4:13 pm
In my sub division we have a hurricane control center providing free meals for cleanup. Volunteers feeding volunteers and residents.
Tom on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 4:57 pm
Davy, did you not read my post…
It is not unusual in the least for there to be 100 various tankers parked off Galveston… This has nothing to do with the hurricane…
Tom on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 5:03 pm
Dave; there are probably 200 Tankers that are parked off the East Coast of the UAE; probably 100 Tankers parked just south of Lagos, Nigeria – Have these areas been recently hit by a hurricane too???
Tom on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 5:15 pm
If the Colonial Pipeline stays shut down for the next few weeks & gasoline becomes scarce on the East Coast; there will be no fuel for the people of the impacted areas to evacuate. I might pick up a few RBOB futures Monday in case such an eventuality takes place.
Boat on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 5:38 pm
The colonial pipeline to open this weekend. Google please.
onlooker on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 5:40 pm
Tom, remember that even if Colonial is up and running soon which appears will happen, they are still depending on refined crude to ship. If the refineries stay shut in for weeks, then that is bad news for some parts of the US
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/08/26/hurricane-forces-refineries-to-shut-down-worst-impact-may-be-to-come.htmlThe last hurricane to hit Texas was Hurricane Ike in 2008, when oil prices were falling amid the financial crisis. Ike forced more than a dozen refineries to close, largely due to flooding. Exxon Mobil’s Baytown refinery, one of the nation’s largest, took more than a month to start up again.
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 6:10 pm
Boat, no surprise there. With the humans it’s always a mixed bag of behaviors, but contrary to Hollywood movies the humans tend to help each other out post disaster the majority of the time. I’ve read a few hysterical looting articles and it’s true that it happens and it’s true that it is more prevalent among the poor/black, but from what I have read the biggest looters in Houston were all corporations selling water for $100 a case and gouging on most products folks needed – water, fuel, etc. Don’t hear any of those white supremacists up in arms about that form of looting now do you?
This one had me LMAO because I know it will chap their asses and doubly so after that parasite white prosperity gospel, con artist preacher was exposed for the piece of shit he is.
Hurricane Harvey: Mosques open doors to victims of devastating flooding in Houston
Inter-faith relations have been strained in Texas in recent years, but Harvey victims ‘feel very fortunate that the Muslim community were willing’ to donate their space
“As the murky floodwaters of Hurricane Harvey kept rising, a vast mosque here – like several others across the state – opened its doors to Americans of all faiths. It offered a dry place to sleep, diaper-changing stations, endless coffee and sweet tea, and warm trays of Pakistani and Syrian rice dishes.”
“Look, helping is a total no-brainer. You don’t even have to discuss or debate it,” said M.J. Khan, president of the Islamic Society of Greater Houston, who started to load up on fans, towels and bedding last weekend as the rain began to fall. “It’s part of our faith and part of being human. I always feel that this is why God created human beings: for us to help each other.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-faith-survivors-rescue-storm-flooding-victims-a7925331.html
You know them Muslim terrorists are a lot like hard core deniers and their overlords in that both groups have no issue taking their own cities and countries down for their ‘beliefs’ & ‘faith’ & lust for power. Reckless disregard for anyone’s well being including their own kids. I’m not talking about giving up liquid fuels, no no no, that was never going to happen. I’m talking about adapting and protecting people. It’s more than just the cancer industry too. All those real estate developer people and politicians and bureaucrats. The warnings have been there for decades and they still built like addicts in the worst fucking places. They knew.
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 6:25 pm
Science of Superstorms. After Harvey, What’s Next?
“Why was Harvey a Superstorm: expected $ losses greater than Katrina & Sandy combined? I teach you about how the science of abrupt climate change is turbocharging storms. Global warming has greatly increased ocean surface & deeper water temperatures, warmer air holds much more water vapour & latent heat, & storms are staying in place much longer due to broken jet streams. Blame the Arctic. Weather statistics have changed.
A 1-in-1000 event in the “old” climate has become perhaps 1-in-30 now, & even 1-in-5 very soon.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Zus0ICUvd1c
No worries. They got Top Men looking out for you and your kids.
Trump names climate science denier to run NASA
Republican Congressman had demanded Obama apologize for funding climate change research
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-names-climate-science-denier-to-run-nasa-c9a46a6f4a52/
Your future is assured.
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 6:27 pm
‘Your eyes start itching’: pollution soars in Houston after chemical industry leaks
Communities face surging toxic fumes and possible water contamination, as refineries and plants report more than 2,700 tons of extra pollution
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/02/houston-hurricane-harvey-pollution-petrochemical-plants
Boat on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 6:39 pm
ape,
” It’s more than just the cancer industry too. All those real estate developer people and politicians and bureaucrats. The warnings have been there for decades and they still built like addicts in the worst fucking places. They knew”.
Of course they knew. Everybody and their dog who has rebuilt/remodeled after a flood knows the potential of another. Why not blame the renter or home buyer.
Boat on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 6:43 pm
Canadian troops in Latvia prepare for massive Russian military exercise
What are ya’ll doing in Latvia?
http://nanaimonewsnow.com/article/548073/canadian-troops-latvia-prepare-massive-russian-military-exercise
Makati1 on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 7:04 pm
That is a nice US sponsored propaganda piece, Boat. Full of those “bad” Russian aggression and not a bit of what NATO is trying to do to Russia. And, yes, Australia is a lap dog of the US, for now, although the company is owned by Reuters since 2008.
BTW: What is Texas/US doing in: Japan, Germany, S.Korea, etc?
“Despite recently closing hundreds of bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States still maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad—from giant “Little Americas” to small radar facilities. Britain, France and Russia, by contrast, have about 30 foreign bases combined.”
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321
Hypocrite!
onlooker on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 7:46 pm
Mak, you probably know the baloney and lies that the official Cuban Missile Crisis was.
Here is a good link that basically says the official story in entirely bunk. Especially like how they mention the dangerous and provoking move of place medium range missiles in Turkey
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/
Makati1 on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 7:49 pm
“According to analytics firm CoreLogic, hundreds of thousands of affected residents in Texas and Louisiana aren’t insured for flooding damage. The firm estimated that residential flooding has caused $25 billion to $37 billion in damage spread across 70 counties in Texas and Louisiana hit by Harvey. Of that, about 70%—or $18 billion to $27 billion—is uninsured.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-02/harvey-leaves-texas-homeowners-hook-30-billion
Not looking good for Texas recovery.
onlooker on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 7:50 pm
All the ways the US provoked both Soviet Union and Cuba pretty revealing. So the entire story is bull, sound familiar, think 911
Makati1 on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 7:57 pm
Onlooker, yes, I was aware that the whole US version of the Crisis was propaganda. Such brainwashing was not new even then. It began to gain use in the 1st world war when newspapers were the means to spread lies about what was happening. That is a good article and I will read it later in its entirety.
We are being brainwashed 24/7/365 from every ‘news’ source. It is getting more and more difficult to pick out the truth. There is so little of it mixed in with huge amounts of bullshit.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 8:06 pm
“Onlooker, yes, I was aware that the whole US version of the Crisis was propaganda.”
“Whole version” More strong decisive binary words. Who is being fed the propaganda? LOL You listed one version and that is the version? So I guess when I go to read the real version that is the exact truth I need to go to the Atlantic. Sounds like some more emotions bubbling up on the board today. We have some really pissed off hombres on this board today. Folks watch where you step you might get bitten rabid dogs on the board.
Darrell Cloud on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 8:23 pm
I owe Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov my life and so do the rest of you. We have been dancing around the pit of hell for decades. It is simply amazing that we have lasted this long. Hubris will undo us.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 11:01 pm
Sounds like some more emotions bubbling up on the board today. We have some really pissed off hombres on this board today. Folks watch where you step you might get bitten rabid dogs on the board.”
Davy, if you have something to add to the discussion, by all means do so. Otherwise, you would be the only pissed off rabid dog, with bubbling emotions, on this board today.
Makati1 on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 11:23 pm
GregT, I am only glad that I am not his neighbor. He is the one most likely to lose it when the SHTF there. I hope he doesn’t own any guns. I do pity his family, if he has one.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 11:48 pm
Davy is more to be pitied, than laughed at makati. I honestly really do feel sorry for the guy, but as I have said before, the only person who can help Davy, is Davy himself. I predicted almost three years ago that his condition would continue to deteriorate, and that if he didn’t get help, he would eventually self destruct, or hurt somebody else.
Without that help, the worst place that he could possibly be hanging out, is on a board that discusses energy, finance, geopolitics, and the environment. All four of which issues the U.S. would be at the forefront, and not in a good way.
Makati1 on Sun, 3rd Sep 2017 12:06 am
Greg, the few of his long “comments” that I have read proves your observation. He seems to either write long winded hopey/feely stuff or he is a school yard bully using name calling and putdowns to make the person he is attacking feel inferior and/or wrong.
He has never rebutted any of my assertions with facts and refs to back up his stand. Even when I do not refer to him, he takes the comment personal. He does need help.
I am willing to discuss my ideas and views with any rational, educated, open-minded person. I learn that way. I enjoy this site because it makes me learn. I look up subjects that I am not familiar with to increase my own understanding. I update my education daily, as apparently you do also. The internet is a fabulous library of knowledge, even if it is also full of propaganda. The key is sorting out the wheat from the chaff. I spend at least 3-4 hours daily reading current events articles and watching documentaries. I’m sure you do also. Have a great day!
GregT on Sun, 3rd Sep 2017 12:31 am
You may as well have taken the words right out of my mouth makati. Completely agree. Have a great day yourself, I’m calling it a night.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Sep 2017 6:15 am
I would call that a success, I got the two worst offenders of decency and balance to whine for several comments IMA to each other. Plenty upset those two. LOL. Both of you will one day learn you can’t walk over people without consequences. I am your consequences. I am the one that stands up to your extremism. You are upset for a reason and that reason is your failure to have your extremist way. I have a backbone to call you out on your extreme distortions of the truth and your disrespect to others. I am calling you out on your poor behavior. Yea, I know, my behavior fits yours and that is because this is all you dumbasses understand. I am fine with a compromise but compromise is not something extremist can manage. Compromise generally means moderation. Both of you whine about disrespect but you don’t deserve respect. I give respect to people who deserve it not rabid dogs of extremism. I suggest you moderate your anti-Americanism and I will show you respect. I am all for American critical discussions but not your brand of extremism.
Makati1 on Sun, 3rd Sep 2017 7:01 am
Davy, I will only increase my factual posts about the dying empire as they happen. I don’t give a damn about your opinion. It is worthless. You are so full of propaganda you cannot see the real world. You are only for positive American discussions, There is not “moderate” in your mind when it comes to the Empire. It is all for or nothing.
I watch its self destruction from a position outside its walls. The Ps is still a free country with a hard working people. Both no longer can n]be said about America.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Sep 2017 8:07 am
makat I will follow every post you make like I have done for years now. That is a promise. I am not talk, I am the walk. My actions have proven this out over years of fighting your distortions and lies. It is my life you are in the extreme effort to discredit and destroy. For me it is self-defense. I am going to show the reality of the real situation by refuting your extremism. I will show how much your Asia is also in decline and decay. Your stupid promotions of your new home which is just your personal emotional effort to justify your actions of leaving the US. You pollute our discussions with your daily narcissism. You brag about yourself and attack all others that do not follow your way. I doubt you are capably of moderation being an old man locked into early onset dementia. Every comment you make will require a quick response to my rationalization of your extremism. You will have no choice but to defend untenable positions. For me it is an honor to defend my people against those who hate us. Yes, America is a mess. The US is in decline and decay but I will keep that decline factual without the extreme emotional attacks from people like you. I will fight these extreme attacks daily without let up. It is an intellectual exercise I find invigorating. It causes me no pain and is in fact energizing. Your personal attacks are redundant and stale. I have heard them multiple times in various forms. Have at it and knock yourself out.
GregT on Sun, 3rd Sep 2017 11:18 am
Now you’ve completely lost it Davy. It’s sad to watch.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Sep 2017 11:39 am
grehg, man up and quit your whining. You are acting like a pussy. Say something constructive and contribute. We could care less about your hurt feelings. In this world of the politics of victimization your kind are a dime a dozen.
GregT on Sun, 3rd Sep 2017 11:46 am
“makat I will follow every post you make like I have done for years now. That is a promise. ”
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