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Kunstler: A Hot Mess
It wasn’t until more than a week after Hurricane Katrina slammed into New Orleans in 2005 that the full extent of the damage was recognized and so it will go with the hot mess where Houston used to be. Mostly, it is inconceivable that the business activity which made Houston the nation’s fourth largest city and, according to Chris Martenson, equal to the 10th largest economy in the world, will ever return to what it was before August 26, 2017.
The major activity there has been the refining and distribution of oil products, and no activity is more central to the functioning of the US economy. So the public and our currently clueless leaders across the political spectrum, plus a legacy news media lost in the carnival of race and gender freak shows, is about to discover the dynamic relationship between energy and an industrial economy.
The pivot in this relationship is banking, which enables the conversion of oil’s raw power into everything else that goes on in a so-called advanced economy. The popular assumption is that federal disaster relief can compensate for all losses. That assumption may go out the window with the Houston flood of 2017. And no amount of federal aid can compensate for the hours, days, and weeks that will tick by as businesses struggle to return to something like their former level of normal operation.
Many businesses will never recover, especially the smaller ones that support the big one — the little tool and die shops, the construction outfits, the trucking and shipping concerns, the riggers and pipefitters, the cement companies, and so on. All of that activity existed in highly rationalized chains of on-time production and service and nothing will be on-time in Houston for a long time to come. The arguments over insurance coverage have not even begun, and then there is the question of how businesses in this perpetual flood zone will renew their insurance. Or how might they relocate to higher ground? And how do they pay for that? And where is higher ground in this vast, swampy lowland?
The public has been conditioned by frequent natural disasters to think that nobody has to eat the losses, so that in effect loss doesn’t exist, just as the nation’s central bank has engineered the belief that risk no longer exists in the management of capital. We sure had a nice demonstration of the latter, with the Dow inching over the 22,000 hashmark in overnight futures trading today. The exertions of the Federal Reserve in propping up the stock markets will have to go pedal-to-metal now to make up for the hole in economic activity that Houston represents.
Meanwhile congress is left to dither over two conjoined financial emergencies at once: authorizing emergency aid to Houston, and resolving the debt ceiling problem. The fault lines are already visible in the ill-feeling left over from Texas’s congressional delegation voting against aid for Hurricane Sandy’s rip through New York and New Jersey. Texas Senator Ted Cruz, for one, has reinvented his political philosophy overnight to accommodate federal aid for natural disasters, something he was not keen on before September 26.
I’d assume that these politicians have some normal human sympathies — yes, really — but that these emotions won’t stand in the way of their agenda for mutual self-destruction. Even if they manage to cobble together some kind of emergency aid package for Houston, the process will coincide with the Treasury running out of supposedly “actual” money — that is, money which can be accounted for by some method besides check-kiting. Another assumption du jour is probably the idea that accounting no longer matters, that bankruptcy no longer means anything. Pretty soon, those logical fallacies will manifest in an accelerated falling value of the US dollar.
Somewhere in this reverberating hot mess stands a character named President Trump. He acted out the customary disaster visitation ceremony last week, but I predict that the as-yet-revealed after-effects of Hurricane Harvey will put him in deeper and stinkier hot water than George W. Bush splashed through with Katrina.
Meanwhile, what’s that monster called Irma doing out there in the Atlantic?
138 Comments on "Kunstler: A Hot Mess"
JJHMAN on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 1:21 pm
KUnstler could find a cloud in a silver mine. It’s a joke that he blathers about insurance. If he had been watching the news for five minutes he would know that 80% of the people and businesses in the Houston area don’t even have insurance. These people have been flooded and hurricaned so many times I suspect most of them think of it like a bad date.
It occurred to me that one of the interesting differences between Texas and California is that their lack of building, zoning, construction or any other codes or regulations actually might make things enough cheaper that it is economic to have these disasters on a somewhat regular basis.
What I suspect will begin to bite them in the butt is that they refuse to accept that these things are getting worse because of climate warming. In the long run, probably not this time though, they are toast. Unless, that is, Irma does hit them. Than could make believers out of the populace, but most importantly, the banks. When the banks won’t lend for new construction it’s all over.
Apneaman on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 1:33 pm
Texas Just Accepted Mexico’s Offer To Help Harvey Victims
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/texas-just-accepted-mexico-e2-80-99s-offer-to-help-harvey-victims/ar-AAr2YgA
Apneaman on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 1:37 pm
Je suis Charlie?
French magazine Charlie Hebdo: Harvey drowned neo-Nazis in Texas
“The cover trumpets: “God Exists! He Drowned All the Neo-Nazis of Texas.”
The cover features an illustration of half-submerged swastika flags and arms giving the Nazi salute.”
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-weather/hurricaneharvey/article/French-zine-Charlie-Hebdo-Harvey-drowned-12163943.php
C’mon kids, can’t we all just get along?
Plantagenet on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 1:45 pm
Houston has remained calm and done a surprisingly good and competent job of dealing with this disaster, at least when compared to the hysterical ninnies in New Orleans.
Cheers!
Sissyfuss on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 1:55 pm
As long as the printing presses stay above the waterline we should be good for a while. But how long is a while really?
GregT on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 2:07 pm
“Houston has remained calm and done a surprisingly good and competent job of dealing with this disaster, at least when compared to the hysterical ninnies in New Orleans.”
That would be a slander on Americans planter.
Where’s the battle hardened Internet warrior when you really need him?
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 2:14 pm
“Texas Just Accepted Mexico’s Offer To Help Harvey Victims”
“Texas Governor Greg Abbott has signaled his state’s intent to accept a controversial offer of aid from neighboring Mexico in order to help victims of Hurricane Harvey.”
Not difficult why Mexico would want to help Houston, just have a look at the demographics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston#Demographics
Last data 2010. It is basically their city and in a not to far future it will be officially their city.
GregT on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 2:21 pm
“Not difficult why Mexico would want to help Houston, just have a look at the demographics:”
Not surprising, considering that Texas was annexed from Mexico in the first place.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/texas-annexation
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 2:43 pm
Not surprising, considering that Texas was annexed from Mexico in the first place.
Hmmm, in 1970 Houston was 73% white and perhaps even whiter before that date.
There is no such thing as a “moral border” , just like fox A cannot claim territory over fox B for ever. It is a matter of who “outfoxes” who.
But indeed, it looks like some old borders are going to be restored.
#DemographyIsDestiny
Here a collection of maps showing the historic territorial development of the US.
New Spain had an impressive size btw in 1800.
By 1845 Houston was taken over by the US:
http://www.emersonkent.com/images/us_territorial_growth.jpg
By 2025 it will probably be back in Mexico again. And not just Houston.
GregT on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 2:46 pm
“By 2025 it will probably be back in Mexico again. And not just Houston.”
If Trump gets his wall, it might prove a bit difficult for the people to get out.
Cloggie on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 2:55 pm
If Trump gets his wall, it might prove a bit difficult for the people to get out.
Trump is getting nowhere with his wall. The establishment is keen on ramming the whites in minority status first.
And indeed, Washington will only begin to build a wall if people begin to flee from the US, nor before.
Davy on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 3:39 pm
You guys are hilarious but in a typically empty way. How many times can you kick a dog? Yet, Pricks find enjoyment in such things so the lack of meaning is irrelevant.
Hello on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 3:58 pm
>>>> Many businesses will never recover
Maybe. But others will thrive. Carpenters, plumbers, roofers, electricians. Hell, go to Houston, young man, it’s going to be booming soon.
rockman on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 4:14 pm
“…inconceivable that the business activity which made Houston the nation’s fourth largest city and, according to Chris Martenson, equal to the 10th largest economy in the world, will ever return to what it was before August 26, 2017. The major activity there has been the refining…” A gross misunderstanding of Houston business. Except for the refineries very little of the infrastructure owned by our companies is in the Houston area. And even our refineries suffered little to no long term damage: they shut down for safety reasons and will be back full bore in a month or so.
Some corporate offices took some damage but not significant and certainly not enough to shut down. On Wednesday the Rockman’s office had all hands on deck back to work as normal. The big disruption will be getting all the workers back in that were flooded. And, for a while at least, finding enough fuel to commute.
And one part of our economy (unfortunately) just got a huge boost: construction. Over the next year or two many tens of $billions will be spent rebuilding/repairing. And much, if not most, coming from insurance companies and the federal govt. And the POTUS was looking for shovel ready infrastructure projects to fund? Texas just generated $billions of such projects. For instance: those two flood control reservoirs on the west side of Houston: for decades there has been lobying by Texas politicians for the Feds to build two more.
Have no doubt: Houston is in great pain. But as far as our GDP it might have actually increased thanks to Harvey. Not the way we would have wanted it, of course. But much of the revenue earned by companies officed in Houston is not generated in Houston. For instance consider Big and Little Oil: with the exception of some refining revenue (which will be back in full force soon) very little to none of that income is physically generated in the Houston area.
Similar to NYC: and Jersey: are they closed for business? LOL.
Davy on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 4:18 pm
Hello, would you want to rebuild in such a place after a freak storm? People will never feel safe in some locations because now they know it may flood. Think of all the homes without flood insurance. Houston will be partially gutted. If you are into salvage and demolition you may want to head that way. Houston may rationalize post Harvey. It wasn’t very rational in the past IMO. Houston is the classic great American sprawl. There is no future in irrational sprawl in a climate destabilized world.
rockman on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 4:22 pm
Greg – “By 2025 it will probably be back in Mexico again. And not just Houston.” LMFAO!!! I gather you’ve never talked to any of our native Hispanics or illegals: the last think they want is to be part of Mexico. Why do you think they’re here? If Texas became part of Mexico they’ll all swim across the Red River to Oklahoma. LOL.
Davy on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 4:29 pm
Rock, grehg is being a clown today just ignore him.
Makati1 on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 4:59 pm
Excellent article by JHK. Hits all of the facts, including the coming insurance disaster. The government mess. And the newest threatto the East Coast, Irma.
shortonoil on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 5:50 pm
Refineries and the Colonial might be up and running in a month. Then it takes 18 days to get that finished product to New Jersey via the Colonial. The average fuel wholesaler runs with a working inventory of about 12 days. That sounds like a mighty “cold” mess for 36 days. New York City can eat its rat population, the rest of us had better learn to hunt and fish.
GregT on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 6:19 pm
“By 2025 it will probably be back in Mexico again. And not just Houston.” LMFAO!!! ”
“Rock, grehg is being a clown today just ignore him.”
If either one of you guys would pay a little bit of attention, you would realize that I didn’t write that.
Davy on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 6:46 pm
Teflon comes to mind.
GregT on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 6:59 pm
Delusional comes to mind, as always. Making shit up again Davy.
Makati1 on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 7:17 pm
Davy and Boat live in their own fictional little worlds. The real world is too frightening for them to handle so they deny it and pretend they are better than anyone else who disagrees with them. Nowhere is better to live than… plug in their addresses…in the US, land of the Fascist Police State.
Makati1 on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 7:29 pm
“All of the Praetorian style agencies on the federal level—the FBI, CIA, NSA, and over a dozen others like them—have become very aggressive. Every single day in the US, there are scores of confiscations of people’s bank accounts, and dozens having their doors broken down in the wee hours of the night. The ethos in the US really seems to be changing right before our very eyes, and I think it’s quite disturbing. It’s a harbinger, I’m afraid, of what’s to come. .. Yes, this change has certainly been more prevalent in the US than elsewhere. … People forget that when the US was founded there were only three federal crimes, and they are listed in the Constitution: treason, counterfeiting, and piracy. Now it’s estimated there are over 5,000 federal crimes, and that number is constantly increasing. This is very disturbing. It’s becoming Kafkaesque.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-31/growing-threat-police-state
Bill of Rights? Nonexistent.
Constitution? Nonexistent.
Laws? Over 600,000 laws, Federal, State and local.
Yep! The FSA .. “The Land of Debt Slavery and Serfdom.”
“Jeff Thomas: Yes, that word, “before,” is the key word—one that many, many people overlook. Countless people have said, “Well, if it gets really bad, I’ll leave my home country for greener pastures.” Historically, this has proven to be a grave mistake. Once conditions are getting really serious, it often becomes illegal to exit without written permission. Additionally, if an exodus does begin, those countries that previously accepted expatriates suddenly pull in the welcome mat and lock the immigration doors. The time to implement an exit plan is prior to the implementation of intolerable controls. As to the US, that warning bell has already been rung.”
Davy on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 7:43 pm
Brain plaque comes to mind with makat. His mental faculties are turning to goo. These things happens at 75 and in a self-imposed isolation. It is too bad makat’s family is not around to reality test him. sad
Boat on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 7:53 pm
You know why there is sprawl? Who wants to live in a box on a box like mak. What is real sprawl? Preppers taking up acres. Suburbia is a bunch of lots, that’s plenty for all I gots.
Makati1 on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 7:55 pm
Davy, your mind is slipping again. I told you yesterday that I am not 75. Not even close. You invent all of these mindless putdowns as a sign of your inferiority. Your growing inability to defend your position with facts.
Where is your referenced rebuttal to what you disagree with? Answer: you have none so you revert to childish putdowns and name calling.
So sad for your family. It must be hell to live with you. Or, maybe they are also a delusion in your mind?
Makati1 on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 7:58 pm
Ah, Boat chimes in with his asshole buddy, Davy. Two deluded peas in a rotten pod, the FSA. How’s the flood going Boat? Maybe Irma will pay a call about the time the water goes down. We shall see.
Boat on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 8:01 pm
mak,
Plenty of great places around the world to live in. P’s would not be one of them.
Boat on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 8:14 pm
mak,
My house was 50′ above the San Jacinto crest, the river that flooded homes in my area. My job opportunities in construction have not crested and will rise for some time.
Tom on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 8:32 pm
JJHMAN;
This climate change is getting out of control, isn’t it… Especially when you consider that the US has not been hit by a major hurricane in over 10 years…
GregT on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 10:21 pm
” My job opportunities in construction have not crested and will rise for some time.”
I’m sure that all of your neighbours who have lost their homes, are more than happy for you. Why don’t you go and tell them about your wonderful prospects for the future Boat. Don’t forget to wear a helmet.
rockman on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 10:26 pm
Davy – “…would you want to rebuild in such a place after a freak storm?” I know it’s difficult to grasp after looking at the TV but very little of Houston was “gutted” with very little “rebuilding” in the future. But a shit load of repairs for sure. As far as home damage; for the most part, very little has happened here that hasn’t happened to thousands of homes here before.
It’s the number of homes damaged (not “destroyed”) that boggles the mind. But on an individual basis it’s simply a repeat of what has been done many times before. And for many individuals done in the last 10 years. And for some more then once.
First, think about the primary reason our population has boomed for many years: jobs. Where the f*ck are people going to relocate: Fargo, ND? LOL. Not only will few if any of those jobs disappear we may actually see an increase on the construction side. If you don’t believe keep track of how many companies DO NOT SHUT DOWN operations in Houston.
Back to the repair effort. Saw someone claim 80% of the homes and businesses in Houston carried no issurance. Think how reficulous that is especially when you consider the high end homes: you think you can get a $250,000 mortgage without the lender requiring insurance? I suspect you know enough about the real estate biz to answer that.
The will be hundreds of $millions (maybe above a $BILLION) paid by insurance companies for repairs. Consider the Rockman’s modest $120k townhome. If I had gotten 3′ of water the $35,000 repairs would have cost me exactly $1,500…my deductible. The rest paid by my insurance company…including the cost of temporary housing. And I don’t even have a mortgage so not a lender requirement. But being 66 yo I’m a big believer of using insurance to protect against major losses. Except for a $3,000 deductible about $40k per year of my multiple sclerosis cost is covered by insurance. And I don’t even pay for the insurance: my company does.
Of course a lot of folks here did not get coverage for flood damage. They’ll obviously take a big financial hit. But for some not enough to walk away from their damaged home. That number I wouldn’t try to guess….time will tell. But I easily remember how “flexible” mortgage companies became in the oil patch bust in the 80’s. Tens of thousands of folks way upside down on their mortgages AND unemployed. Now that I think of it from a tinancial standpoint homeowners in Houston might have been in as bad or even worse shape back then as they are now: no one had insurance that covered a job loss back then. Their only relief was filing bankruptcy…by the tens of thousands.
Again, a lot of pain here now, both financially and emotionally. But there’s a great advantage for many here to repair their homes and keep their jobs. It’s going to take at least a year to see how it all nets out
IMHO.
rockman on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 10:29 pm
Greg – Appogies. But you also didn’t tag your response with the author’s name so I read too fast and missed that you weren’t the originator.
GregT on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 11:00 pm
Thanks Rockman,
Your apologies are appreciated. You have mine too. I’ll do my best to not be as misleading in the future.
Boat on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 11:03 pm
GregT on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 10:21 pm
” My job opportunities in construction have not crested and will rise for some time.”
I’m sure that all of your neighbours who have lost their homes, are more than happy for you. Why don’t you go and tell them about your wonderful prospects for the future Boat. Don’t forget to wear a helmet.
Your a worthless human being.
Makati1 on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 11:09 pm
Boat, the thousands of homeless in your area who have lost everything may feel the same about you. That hard hat may not be enough. Do you have body armor? lol
GregT on Fri, 1st Sep 2017 11:31 pm
That would be you’re a worthless human being Boat.
If Houston was my town, I would have been out in the streets helping in any way that I could, including putting my own life on the line, if necessary.
Never, for one second, would I ever look at a situation like this as an opportunity for personal gain.
It is you Kevin, who is the worthless self centred sad excuse of a human being. People like you, make me absolutely sick.
Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 1:01 am
One of my favorite American voice, Greg Hunter on the situation in Houston. Thinks it could be 2-3 times worse than Katrina-New Orleans with a damage up to $500B
https://usawatchdog.com/hurricane-harvey-disaster-for-america-fuel-prices-economy-sinking-into-recession/
Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 1:13 am
Greg – Appogies. But you also didn’t tag your response with the author’s name so I read too fast and missed that you weren’t the originator.
I was me who said that in the long run Houston would become a Mexican town (again).
Rockman says: Greg – “By 2025 it will probably be back in Mexico again. And not just Houston.” LMFAO!!! I gather you’ve never talked to any of our native Hispanics or illegals: the last think they want is to be part of Mexico. Why do you think they’re here? If Texas became part of Mexico they’ll all swim across the Red River to Oklahoma. LOL.
I agree with you that Mexicans living in Houston and elsewhere did that to escape the economic conditions in Mexico. I do not even want to postulate that these Mexicans enter the US with the “evil intent” to take over territory. But that is what de facto is happening: dispossession. They take their identity with them. And if on a bad day happens, what many fear will happen, namely economic/financial collapse of the US, they will indeed not swim over the Red River, but they will consider Houston as their town and stay and consolidate.
The “controversial” aid the Mexican government is said to provide to Houston, would not have materialized if Houston would not have been a majority Mexican town or at least the Mexicans constitute the largest group. Why do you think the aid is “controversial”? Because the aid can be seen as the Mexican government quietly laying a claim on the city. It is “their” town and hence they help.
Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 1:40 am
Kurds conquer city center of Raqqa; are near IS HQ
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/is-hochburg-kurden-melden-eroberung-der-altstadt-von-rakka-a-1165760.html
Trump backs down from threat of government standstill if Congress refuses to fund The Great American Wall [*]
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/usa-weisses-haus-zieht-drohung-an-kongress-offenbar-zurueck-a-1165790.html
[*] artist impressions have leaked out in the open:
http://tinyurl.com/yaskoygc
Theedrich on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 3:07 am
Humans refuse to learn from floods. In Fukushima, in New Orleans and now in southeast Texas, all of the critical electrical, electronic, engineering, automotive, nuclear and other infrastructure was fixed to the ground (or even below it) rather than built above it on the second or third floors of sturdy fixtures. The excuse is always the same: “This kind of catastrophe has never happened before, and we didn’t expect it.” Behind such “we didn’t know, didn’t think, didn’t expect, etc.” excuses is always the same reality: precautions cost money, so let’s shift the risk to insurance companies, to someone else or to the gods. It is, of course, even worse in the ThirdWorld, where the impulse is to weep and wail for Whitey to come to the aid of the populations too stupid to learn from repeated disasters.
The developed world is in stalemate due to its political gridlock. The EU (led by Euro-killer Angela Merkel) fantasizes that there is no consequence to importing an unending stream of filth from Sewerland. Only feelgood emotions and fabricated dreams of yesteryearly glories reign in the Eurosoul. The entirety of that trading block is now an iron dictatorship, held in the unyielding grip of nihilist elites who mean to put a final end to thousands of years of civilization.
The elites require economic “growth” to continue their totalitarian hold on the West. From this follows the need to build and exploit earth’s resources on the cheap. Overfishing the oceans and polluting them helps growth. The future does not matter. Keep the masses distracted with drivel about homosexual wonderfulness, about how evil heterosexual White males are, about how “we” need to drown in ThirdWorld human sludge.
Meanwhile, the American leadership contemplates resuming the historical U.S. savagery of mass slaughter, as in Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo and, of course, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the U.S. annihilation of 30% of the North Korea population during the Korean War. After all, it was and is all necessary to turn the rest of the world into nicey-nice democracies subject to Washington. And it will also divert the attention of the herd from its own extinction.
And as the world warms, Mother Nature might help us along the road to that goal.
deadlykillerbeaz on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 4:33 am
Doesn’t matter if it floods, people will return to a place they want to live.
That’s all that matters.
Dredd on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 5:48 am
“Texas’s congressional delegation voting against aid for Hurricane Sandy’s rip through New York and New Jersey. Texas Senator Ted Cruz, for one, has reinvented his political philosophy overnight to accommodate federal aid for natural disasters, something he was not keen on before September 26.”
The theme from Repeat (Groundhog Day & The Climate of Fear, 2, 3[coming soon]).
Dredd on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 5:53 am
A story about Crockman & Clogged (The Shapeshifters of Bullshitistan – 2).
Davy on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 6:47 am
“If Houston was my town, I would have been out in the streets helping in any way that I could, including putting my own life on the line, if necessary. Never, for one second, would I ever look at a situation like this as an opportunity for personal gain.”
Spare me the self-aggrandizement. Is that like how you dumped your home for a handsome fortune in the money laundering capital of the world and ran off to Salmon Arm to hide? You sure deserted Hongcouver quick. I think you need to reexamine things
Davy on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 6:53 am
“One of my favorite American voice, Greg Hunter on the situation in Houston. Thinks it could be 2-3 times worse than Katrina-New Orleans with a damage up to $500B”
Clog I posted this on 8/26. You posted the overblown part.
“Harvey, probably a little “overblown”. As per usual, with salivating media around, anxious for
sensational stories.”
This could be the worst storm to hit the US in overall effect. That is my opinion primarily because it is
stalling and where it is. Here is some great coverage of the storm below from the weather channel. I
can’t tell how current it is but there are some great maps. The key to the devastation is where this
monster storm stalls. If it can continue to suck in gulf moisture this is going to be a killer because of
widespread flooding.
HARVEY’S NIGHTMARE JUST BEGINNING
http://tinyurl.com/y8wx463q
Davy on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 7:02 am
“was me who said that in the long run Houston would become a Mexican town (again).”
Clog, Hispanics are great people with a rich culture. They are a significant part of what has made our country strong. Yea, anti-Americans not everything is bad here. If we had more room I would have no problem seeing more in this country. We are out of room being in overshoot with a population of 320MIL. We should have a population of half that and that is even too large if we have a major crisis. IMA, Europe faces worse and with a southern neighboring continent set to explode to a BIL people, you should be talking about your coming African Europe not a Mexican US.
Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 7:04 am
Yes Davy, I underestimated Harvey.
Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Sep 2017 7:06 am
I wasn’t talking about a Mexican US, only a Mexican Houston.